Obama says US is not a Christian nation
By NuttyMomma
@NuttyMomma (901)
United States
April 9, 2009 7:35am CST
So what's next? Is he going to change our money by removing "In God We Trust"? I find it disturbing the remarks he made while overseas. Yes this is a melting pot of cultures and we have many different religions represented here but recent polls show that almost 80% of Americans are Christian. How does that make us not a Christian nation??? What do you think about his comments? I find his actions towards some of these Muslim nations questionable.
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19 responses
@sid556 (30959)
• United States
10 Apr 09
I tend to agree with him on this one. To be fair to everyone here...it should not be called a "christion nation". It could be said that most here are christians but to call it a "Christian Nation" is unfair to all those who are not. We are a nation or should be that accepts all religions and people. I was raised Catholic. There was a time that Catholics were dominant. There are protestants, mormans etc. I mean when you think about it it is like saying ," We are a Christian Nation and we tolerate all you others." It isn't right. I currently follow no religion but accept all. I have my own spiritual beliefs. As for removing "in God We Trust"...well that's been talked about long before Obama came along so it isn't a new topic. They've removed God out of the schools. It is what is in our hearts that matters the most anyway. I don't find his actions towards Muslims questionable. He is trying to get everyone to work together peacefully. That'd be wonderful but there are too many predjudices....i dont see it happening.
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@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
you are right...i have always felt curious about other religions and explored some but some are so protective of their beliefs that they see difference as a threat. it would be nice if we all could get along but i think it is not possible because of human nature to fear what they don't understand. good response.
@Healthkeep (996)
• Israel
10 Apr 09
I don't know if his words mean what you think. I think what he says is, that in the USA everyone is equal - no matter what religion you follow. Also, that every citizen can believe whatever religion he/she wants, and that laws would not be dictated by any religion.
I think this is great - in my country, many laws are dictated by religion people. The religion is not separated from the state, and thus enters politics, law and almost every aspect of our lives. So you see - it might be that he meant to emphasis this healthy separation we don't really have here.
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@Healthkeep (996)
• Israel
15 Apr 09
I don't think this must be the same way. We are still a democracy, but I think we are stuck in a way and have much to do in manner of equalization. The religious people have, in the base of their belief, the notion they are right, and the rest are wrong. Can't blame them - this is what their holy books say. But it does make people non-equal as a starting point...
So laws that are dictated by religion, are usually non-democratic laws by definition.
My opinion only :) There can be exceptions only, as there are very good things in religion (like - don't murder, respect your mother and father etc.).
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
thanks for your response. you live without the freedoms that americans have. tolerance globally for religious difference would be great but like you say if the laws are dictated by religion then that isn't possible? thanks for your point of view.
@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
9 Apr 09
Obama does not want us to be a Christian nation. Obama is a MUSLIM. I have been telling people this since BEFORE he got elected. He is going to do everything he can to turn this country into a Socialist or even a Communist nation. We, as a nation, are in some serious trouble now that he is in office, and we will be in trouble AS LONG as he is in office.
During the campaign, I was called a racist for speaking out against him. However, where are all those people who were telling me I was wrong at right now? Why are they not shouting and me and arguing with me telling me that I am wrong and that I must be a racist? Why am I not getting pounded here on Mylot and in other places telling me how great Obama is? I will tell you why. All these people are quiet now, because they are starting to realize what a mistake it was to elect Obama to begin with. They are starting to recognize his socialist policies. Many people are removing the Obama stickers from their cars now, because they don't want people to know they voted for him. I know this because people have told me so. They have told me they took the stickers off their cars for this very reason.
I don't know what the American voters were thinking when they elected Obama. I think the real problem was that voters did NOT think. They were so worried about ending up with another president like Bush that they were blinded to the facts about Obama. Don't blame me, because I voted AGAINST Obama...
To those who voted for Obama...we told you so...
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
10 Apr 09
Re-electing him isn't going to be an issue b/c our country will be destroyed long before that. Besides 0bama isn't going to allow another election if he thinks he won't win. His tactics during the last election show that there isn't anything he won't do to win.
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@goldeneagle (6745)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I wish I had that answer. If I did, we would not still be in this mess...the main thing is that we do not RE-ELECT this idiot...
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@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
9 Apr 09
I agree with you 100%, the problem is how do we stop this insanity???
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@Shula101 (268)
• New Zealand
12 Apr 09
Indeed, so it is odd to say that you are a Christian Nation and yet 60% of the population commit Adultary and 50% commit Murder.
Even more so if 40% claim there is no god and 70% ask why do they pray when they know nothing will happen.
Not much of a christian Nation if not atleast half of the people know what they are doing.
I think Obama is right, but whats wrong with not being called a Christian Nation?
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
maybe because our founding fathers felt the need to come here to be able to have freedom to practice whatever religion they chose and it was based on Christianity. we are a nation now that is multi-cultural and many different faiths are represented. I think that the minority religions have larger voices then they did in the past. people are weird in that they consider themselves something but following it is another story.
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
10 Apr 09
Nutty-
I've posted this link before on several threads of this nature, http://freethought.mbdojo.com/foundingfathers.html
That is straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. It is what our founding fathers thought of Christianity and religion in general. I feel it speaks for itself.
http://www.gc.cuny.edu/faculty/research_studies.htm#aris_1
That is the record of the Aris survey done in 2001. The problem with surveys is that they are flawed. Even if done randomly, they do not account for EVERY person in America, thus they cannot accurately account for what every single person believes. And a great many faiths that fall under the umbrella of Paganism aren't even stated. It's lumped into "other" so we never have an accurate account period.
Namaste-Anora
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@Anora_Eldorath (6028)
• United States
10 Apr 09
Nutty-
I think many people are afraid of change, period lol. I admit there are a few changes of Obama that even I don't like. I'm just not going to blame it on "end times", as I don't believe in that. I was just speaking with another the other night about the phrase "Freedom of Religion" and we came to a new thought that perhaps what they were referring to was really a part of their own time period. They had come from a country where the church was corrupt, and running things for years. The Puritan rule left little to be desired. So perhaps, just maybe that phrase was referring to freedom from being controlled by one religious source. Just my humble thoughts on the subject.
Namaste-Anora
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
thanks for these links! excellent points. surveys are flawed. i think that many of us are afraid of obama's "changes".
@lologirl2021 (5542)
• United States
9 Apr 09
We are really in some trouble with Obama as president. He wants to make this country communist and his way. There are so many Christians and Catholics in the united states and he says this isn't a christian country just because he isn't one. He is ridiculous and rude and i can't stand to even watch and listen to him when he makes an announcement. He is going to make the united states the way he wants it and not what us Americans want. There are so many other people in the united states and not just Obama who have different religious perspectives other than Muslims.
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
9 Apr 09
it is scary indeed. not that I am afraid of people who are of differents faiths, the issue to me is that we have always been considered a christian nation and just because he is not he speaks for all of us and he is speaking wrong!thanks for your response.
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@lologirl2021 (5542)
• United States
9 Apr 09
He thinks he is thinking of all of us and probably as Muslims, but here in the unites states and the biggest christian country of all is this one of the united states that he is president of and he needs to realize this and not turn his head in the wrong direction as he is now.
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@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
9 Apr 09
he is a dangerous man. he has a huge ego and wants to change everything. we needed some change but not changing who this country is and going into a more socialist society. we are going to lose freedoms and i am afraid.
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@chiyosan (30183)
• Philippines
12 Apr 09
i think he is just trying to prove something out of the statement.. that is about having mix cultures and yes, majority wins.. but maybe he is speaking for himself? hehe kidding aside, just let the man do his stuff, he might have a better plan to back this words out from him to make people and countries that is not of christian nature come to the us and invest... that is what the america need now.. investors.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
10 Apr 09
The percentage of the population that claims to be Christian isn't what determines whether we're a "Christian nation" or not. We have no official religion, we have religious freedom and separation of church and state. Our laws aren't based on one religious faith over another.
Annie
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@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
there is the seperation of church and state, which after reading the above comment i understand why it is like that. maybe some are upset because they felt they were the majority and are no longer...i enjoy our many freedoms and i don't want to lose them. thanks for your response!
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@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
10 Apr 09
There you go, a US President that runs down the very ppl that put him in the White House to begin with. I see several ppl saying we need to get him out or at least not re-elect him...I hate to tell ppl this but if he's put us this far in debt and has messed things up this bad in 3 months, we won't have to worry about re-electing him b/c there won't be anything left of our country in 4 years. There is only 2 ways to stop him: either disqualify him from being President or someone assasinates him (and no I'm not hoping anyone will). Other than that we are stuck with him and if ppl think it's bad now, they haven't seen anything yet.
Alot of those ppl that were chanting his name during the campaign are kicking themselves in the backside now.
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@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
i agree. it is just frightening because he represents us and although i believe the president is not a dictator, he has been persuasive and that is scary. no one will make me change who i am and my beliefs but of course i respect others beliefs, i just kind of remember when he was campaigning i thought he played down or even denied being muslum , now he is?
@Galena (9110)
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10 Apr 09
well, if 80% of the people call themselves Christian then it's not a Christian nation, is it.
it's a mixed religion country.
I expect, if it's anything like the UK, a lot of the people that call themselves Christian do so because that's the religion they were raised in, rather than because of actually believing in it. like my stepdad, who put Catholic on the census, but doesn't believe in any higher power at all. but because he was raised in that, he thinks that's what he is. which is bizarre to me, but lots of people are like that.
what is so bad about a countrys leader aknowledging that he is not just running a country of people with one religion, but with many.
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
As you can tell from reading different mylot discussions, many Americans are not very trustful of our new president. if the comment was made to acknowledge that here we have respect for other religions then that is great. thanks for your response.
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@lampar (7584)
• United States
11 Apr 09
Depend on your definition of "Christian Nation", if it is based on the religion majority of Americans followed, then USA can be regarded as one. If it is more than just that, like the constitution is drafted based solely on bible, or no separation of church and state, etc.. then USA is not one. I believe USA is a secular and free nation that embrace all religions instead of just Christianity.
@jlamela (4897)
• Philippines
21 Apr 09
Ever since I don't like Obama as U.S president, there's some instinct deep inside telling me he is not that good as some would think. How can he say that, US is not a Christian nation?goodness!
A Christian nation means most citizens are into Christianity since Americans are mostly Christians why on earth he said it is not a Christian nation?Well, I read something in the past that when he was growing up he has no religion or something, he only got a religion affiliation when he met Michelle, who came from a religious family.
Obama's comment is very alarming. I don't know what will comes next. Maybe he will say that all nations in the world are not Christians and that's horrible!
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
21 Apr 09
we are a nation of many cultures and religions but overall we were in the past more christian. his remarks are alarming because he does a lot in foreign countries lately that makes people question him. maybe what he is doing will make some positive changes but i really don't think so. i never liked him, even if you believe a small part of the negativity that is enough for me. people tend to exaggerate things but there is some truth in what has been said about him. his actions in muslim countries are unlike any other president's before him. i hate to act like i fear difference but 911 is still fresh in my mind. thanks for your response.
@taki_takaishi (1279)
• Philippines
10 Apr 09
Is it just me or the U.S President is somewhat pushy in some issues. I mean, I haven't heard economical status or news that would your country. Now this is weird. Why people elected him? He is almost going to cross the line in there.
So, is the History of First Black President will turn out to be the Worst Black President?
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
well i don't know what others outside the u.s. see the president as but in the past i remember someone referring to the president of the u.s. as the leader of the free world? it is still early and who knows what obama will become. thanks for responding
@taki_takaishi (1279)
• Philippines
10 Apr 09
Hahaha. I guess so. Still, there are a lot of people who hate him now. And I don't know why. I may not be a American citizen, but the way I read and see, well, it is kinda bit complicated now. Hope everything will be alright.
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
10 Apr 09
well democrats can be liberal. this can be good and bad. thanks for your response!
@NuttyMomma (901)
• United States
11 Apr 09
starting this discussion really enlightened me. I am guilty of being fearful myself. I feel like a hypocrit saying we tolerate(not a good word) other religions but I portrayed this as someone who is Christian and afraid of becoming a minority. I have grown up with people of different religions and I felt left out at times but I never felt threatened. the bottom line is that I don't like the president, I don't trust him and I didn't really hear the whole speech that he made. Others have informed me of the whole speech and I now see where he is coming from. when I am wrong I admit it. thanks to everyone who participated in this discussion.
@rubypatson (1840)
• India
10 Apr 09
this is really scary but these are the last days, so the worst is yet to come
gods words have to be fulfilled isnt it
@oyenkai (4394)
• Philippines
20 Apr 09
I think that if your main argument is the motto "In God We Trust" then it does not really define the US as a Christian nation. It says "In GOD We Trust" and not "In CHRIST We Trust", I believe there is a difference for the non-Christian denominations. Muslims believe in God too, they call him Allah and they also do trust God.
I think that by saying that the US is not a Christian country, Obama merely states the fact that Christianity is not the "official religion". I know for a fact that it has been several years since saying prayers in school gatherings/classes have been banned/made illegal (and so is having crucifix placed in classrooms).
:) I think that he was just saying the truth.
In contrast to that, the Philippines IS a Christian country and that Christianity is encouraged in our country because public schools say Christian prayers in classes. We have crucifixes in our class rooms and often in our offices. We also have masses held in government related activities :)
Thanks for the response on my discussion!
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
24 Jun 09
I think you are misinterpreted Obama's saying. As I'm remember, correct me if I'm wrong. Obama, say's America, is not only for Christians or a Muslim. Not says America is not a Christian nation...
@NefariousFox (161)
• United States
25 Jul 09
This isn't a Christian nation. In fact, the founding fathers (many of whom were deists) were so afraid that people would try to make it a Christian nation that they made a special amendment in the bill of rights to make sure that it wouldn't happen.
This is a nation of many different religions, and trying to say that the nations is represented by only one is insulting, and inaccurate. The fact that there are references to the Christian God in the pledge of allegiance and on our currency is highly insulting to those who don't believe in God. While our country is not afraid to openly favor a certain religious persuasion, similar favoritism in race is rightly despised.
Non-Christians in this country lack the voice they should have, because all public officials are either Christians, or pretending to be.
America is a nation with a lot of Christians in it, not a Christian Nation. We are not the Jesus loving version of Iran.
@smartjack (520)
• India
10 Apr 09
US is obviously a christian nation and the statement made by OBAMA has no sense at all. even after looking at the survey if he says that us is not a christian nation than no other nation has any religion like India which is a diversified nation of the world with many religions