Zero tolerance & a firm stance. Positive or attracts retaliation?

@James72 (26790)
Australia
April 13, 2009 4:08am CST
I was going to post the link to an article regarding the Somalian hostage situation, but I see this has been shared already. I wanted to hone in on the actions taken by the US Navy when their snipers took down 3 of the hostage takers. It's no surprise that this ended up being the stance taken, but what will this mean for the future of that region when it comes to piracy? The Somalian Government has of course commended the actions of the US Navy, but they have little control over a lawless Somalia. Other known pirates within the region have already stated that this means war and they WILL retaliate and not hesitate to kill hostages if their demands are not met. There are still many ships and foreigners being held in the region, (None are American to my knowledge) so what do the actions of the US mean for them now? Personally I don't have any issues at all with the stance the US Navy took, but I can't help but feel that these actions have also put current hostages in a far more dangerous position. So, taking all of this into account, do you feel that this firm stance and zero tolerance approach was ultimately the right thing to do or not? I'm honestly in 2 minds about it, so I'd be very interested to hear other opinions on the same.....
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
13 Apr 09
This whole piracy thing to be very frank has got me quite perplexed over the last few months. Each country seems to be having it's own stance and way of dealing with and trying to resolve the issue. While the US has taken the stance of zero tolearance, there have been instances of some paying the ransome through negotiations. Invariably pressure has been applied on the shipping companies to pay and release the hostages. What happens the next time a non US ship gets involved ? Then comes the situation which you put across. The other hostages to get into a very dangerous position. The priates can retaliate. This whole thing needs to be resolved at the root of the problem and that is at Somalia itself. The government obviously is helpless. Come to think of it i recently read about Somalian pirates being in demand for Somalian women to marry. It only goes to show the power they seem to have in that country. Further more some crew members of ships that were hijacked by these pirates were from our country as well. I can remeber the coverage and the confusion that was caused in trying to resolve this situation. Public pressure through the media here played an important role. But at the same time the emotions tend to dilute the no tolerance stand.
@alokn99 (5717)
• India
13 Apr 09
I agree James. I think it's time the US gets more involved in this situation either directly or with the involvement of a few other countries. And the involvement just does not mean increasing naval presence, but by putting pressure on the Somalian govt and more. Or are they waiting for a few more incidents like this to happen ?
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
Incidents like these have been happening for well over a decade it seems! This is what I can't quite fathom at this moment. According to that article I posted the link to, "The unanimous passage of UN Security Council Resolution 1851, in December 2008 authorised (sic) members to take all necessary actions against Somali piracy", so I guess it all comes down to what these necessary actions entail? There does seem to be some collaborative effort taking place, but how deeply connected to the Somalian Government these efforts are, is not abundantly clear from what I've read so far. Somalian pirates are apparently collecting some $100M a year in ransoms! The level of corruption undoubtedly runs deep. There also appear to be US-EU dumping ground issues and illegal fishing issues by Asian and European vessels as well. Apparently the birth of Somalian piracy came about partly because of the negative foreign influences. The entire region's an absolute mess!
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@alokn99 (5717)
• India
13 Apr 09
Thanks for sharing the link James. The whole things seems very complex, but at the same time i guess, they will wake up to take some action. What and how late it comes is to be seen. What is the point of giving millions of dollars of ransom and strenghtning the pirates both militarily and economically and then deciding to take them out ?
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@riyasam (16556)
• India
14 Apr 09
james,this is politics and ipolitics is mixed with greed and in this game which the politicians play innocent lives are lost.no bigwig is going to retaliate unless they are going to get something good out of it.(there is no such as humanity left in this world,we cannot do anything except maybe stand and stare)
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
14 Apr 09
It's kind of hard to stand and stare when it's your own countrymen at risk. Watch the entire situation get very hardcore over the coming months I think, because the US have committed themselves to the region now and other nations will surely step up to the plate too. As for the politics angles, yes, there are always hidden agenda's and we will have to wait and see what becomes of all of this.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
14 Apr 09
No, actions like that don't help the situation at all. A firm and swift hand is needed in Somalia though, no question. I just hope thay cover every angle is all and don't just go for straight out force.
• United States
17 Apr 09
My opinion is that These are the kind of discussions we need more of here at mylot, anyway.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
17 Apr 09
They're here mate, we just have to search high and low for them at times unfortunately.
@albert2412 (1782)
• United States
13 Apr 09
Somalia is a very dangerous place. The government there seems to unable to effectively stop the pirates. The only real answer to the problem of pirates taking over ships in the area seems to be putting armed soldiers on every ship passing through close to Somalia. This would stop the pirates from taking over the ships. The pirates around the Somalian coast have killed people, caused a great deal of worry and anguish for a lot of sailers, and costs a lot of money. Every Somalian pirate captured should be hanged from a tree on the beaches in the area as a deterrent to stop piracy.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
Yes, it IS an extremely dangerous place and the governments complete lack of control is ultimately to blame. Maybe your suggested plan of action is the right one, but these actions need to be carried out by the local authorities and NOT by foreign entities. The more I read about the region and it's history, the more I'm convinced that there's a multitude of reasons why other nations have tread carefully to date. Fishing and dumping to name 2. Most of all, the Somalian government needs to be held accountable, resturctured and then made to enforce the necessary actions required. Until such time as the local government is in control, nothing will completely fix this problem.
@James72 (26790)
• Australia
14 Apr 09
I agree with a lot of what you've shared Albert, but am concerned about WHO should be leading and maintaining an initiative like this. A foreign presence can't be there forever, so the onus ultimately needs to be on the Somalian government. Empower them to take up the fight and continue to enforce strict rules, don't go in there as a collective and blast everything that moves! This is a short term remedy only in my opinion.
13 Apr 09
That might seem to be the best solution - put a military contingent on every ship passing through those waters. However, the pirates have now started to attack ships well out in the Indian Ocean, a ship was attacked more than 200 miles off the Somali coast recently. So where do you stop with the protection? I agree though that the only way of stopping this is to kill them wherever encountered. A land invasion is totally out of the question. As was said above, the Somalis on there own soil will give any invading force a very bloody nose, as the Americans found out when they did invade Somalia some time ago. They were forced to pull out again with heavy losses.
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@dawnald (85139)
• Shingle Springs, California
13 Apr 09
"Here's your money. Sorry you have such a hard life. Thanks for letting everybody go." All I can think is that those people put lives at risk as soon as they took people hostage. What did they expect? They are thieves and kidnappers. And now they are threatening to become murderers. I think you reach a point where a hard line has to be taken and that this is it.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
I agree that a hard line approach is sometimes warranted and this was one such instance. My concern though, is what happens from here. There are still innumerous hostages being held in the region from many different countries and there is a very strong chance of retaliation now. I hope that it IS nothing but threats and this will all die down in due course. Then political avenues can be exploited rather than military offensives.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
Refusing to pay ransoms is definitely the way to go, but the issue here is that it's not the world Governments that are eventually paying the money! It's the shipping corporations that lose millions in lost business while their ships are out of action that end up paying. The insurance companies would be making a fortune in premiums too! It does seem like a no-win situation on so many levels, yes.
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@dawnald (85139)
• Shingle Springs, California
13 Apr 09
I totally see the point. The problem is that if people negotiate with the hostage takers, the hostage taking will go on and on and on. But I feel for the people who are caught up in that situation. Sounds like it could be a no win scenario.
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@kerriannc (4279)
• Jamaica
13 Apr 09
The Somalia Pirates has been getting out of control but I am not in agreement with the action of the US Navy. These pirates will use what had happen to put the hostage in more harmful position. Sometimes brutal is not the answer. Well it has happen and they need now to go on land to try and negotiate because lives is in danger here.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
In this instance I personally do understand and agree with the actions the US Navy took. One of the pirates started pointing an automatic rifle at the back of a hostage and was stating that he was going to pull the tirgger, It was at this moment that Seal Snipers took out 3 of of the pirates. One remaining pirate was taken into custody. I do agree with you about there needing to be negotiations on land now. In the long run, military offensives are definitely not the answer and if we are to ensure a long lasting solution to the issue, it needs to be handled politically. God bless all remaining hostages in the region and let's hope everyone keeps a level head from this point forward.
• China
13 Apr 09
I holp all of the hostage are safe.
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
Me too, luobiaohua. Me too.
• China
13 Apr 09
Hello James ,I really empathise with you . You really glad to see the successful resovlement of the isssuc ,at the same time a strong concern have been triggered that it will shift the danger and killness to other hostages ! that is right ? There is no denying the piracy in this region is becoming a global problem now , my country China have also dispatched vessels to that area ,with the purpose of convincing the safty of Chinese merchant ! That is also a crisis which should be shouldered by all the countrys ,at that time the collaboration is everthing ,so I prefer to advocate each of country should take the confederacy's interest into account prior to action ! I also can feel your concern ,it is really an inevitable and tough situation ,because there are some hostages come from China ,thanks for you concern ,you really consider the situation in different conceivable angles .Let us pray for all the innosent people ,and I always cling to the hope that evil rewarded evil !
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@James72 (26790)
• Australia
13 Apr 09
Hi SolarEnergy. What you have just shared about China dispatching vessels to the area is going to be a common theme I feel. A precedent has now been set by the US and many other nations may also move firmly and swiftly to protect their own countrymen. But now that these 3 hostage takers have been shot, how will they react to this? You can't help but feel they will be extremely reluctant to take their time like before and hostages will undoubtedly suffer as a sign of retaliation. A collaborative effort between all nations definitely needs to continue and political rather than military based pressure has to be applied as well. It's a highly tense situation and a very volatile region. All we can hope is that cool heads prevail. I wish every blessing for the Chinese hostages and all others affected by these circumstances.