A few words about satanists
By roboid
@roboid (205)
Romania
April 14, 2009 2:15pm CST
Satanism is a religion but it is also a life style. There are more types of satanists: Traditional or Spiritual satanists, Rebel satanists and Modern satanists.
The Traditional satanists are the ones that believe in devil like christians believe in god. They accept the existence of god but they believe in the opposite. They pray to satan and make different rituals. They don't make sacrifices. The rituals are just a way of praying for them.
The rebel satanists are the worse satanists. They Don't follow any. They are very different from region to region. That is because they are grouped in different sects. Because the are some fanatics they can make sacrifices, killl animals, and even humans. They are the ones that are destrying the cemeteries.
The modern satanists are new ones. Anton Szandor LaVei founded the church of satan Octomber 1966. He wrote 5 books. One of them is "The Satanic Bible". He is the one that showed to thepublic that satanism isn't a bad thing. Modern satanists don't believe in god or satan. They use the name of satan as a symbol against the christian dogma.They Don't make sacrifices and they don't act mad. They are usually normal people with different beliefs. The satanic bible is not a real bible. They don't haveto follow everything is there. That is more literature. Modern satanists use to say: "You can't convert to satanism. You are a satanist or you are not." That means they don't search for disciples and they aren't a part of a sect.
!!!Attention! Do not join any sect. It is dangerous. It is fine to consider yourself a satanist and to speak with other satanism, but sects are dangerous!!!
13 responses
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Apr 09
Satanism as a religion is a joke. There is no such religion. The so called Traditional Satanists cannot believe in the Christian God and yet worship the Christian Satan, that's just silly. No one joins a religion they know is evil. As are the ones you refer to as rebel satanists, at best they are playing at devil worship because it pisses people off.
There are various pagan beliefs which Christian's claim is Satanism, but its not the same thing at all.
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@roboid (205)
• Romania
14 Apr 09
Here is the definition for religion: a strong beliefin a supernatural power or powers that control human destiny; In this way they can believe in god as controling christian's destiny and in satan as controling satanist's destiny. Nobody says that a religion must be positive. It can also be negative as long as it has disciples. And you can't deny that satanism doesn't have disciples. And they found satanism to be the good way, and for them satan is good and gos is evil. It is just a metter of perspective.
@Myrrdin (3599)
• Canada
14 Apr 09
And yet I still reject the premise that Satanism is a religion. Since Satan is a purely Christian construct. Specifically your so called Modern Satanists are clearly not part of a religion by your definition or any others. As for "traditional satanists", the satanic label would have been applied by Christians and not by themselves. Pagan perhaps, but not satanist, since the very name Satan is a Biblical reference. So again I reject the notion of Satanism as a religion. Anyone who says they are a satanist and means they worship Satan is just trying to piss someone off, and don't follow an actual religion. If there are those who think of Satan as a god and God as a devil, well then that's just a purely silly cult idea that has no merit.
Of course everyone has the right to believe what they wish, but at the same time, if you don't bother finding out what your religion stands for then you are a fool.
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@roboid (205)
• Romania
14 Apr 09
You have some strong ideas and I apreciate that. Even If don't totally agree with what are you saying I repect the fact that you kept arguing. In the final I agree with you to the fact that people have the right to believein everything they want. We have to agree with the religious tolerance or beliefs tollerance
All the best,
Robert
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Apr 09
Any way you slice it, the name Satan originates from Judeo-Christian scripture as the embodiment of ultimate evil. How can anyone take the name of evil onto themselves and claim there is nothing evil about it?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
15 Apr 09
Do you would take the name of ultimate evil onto yourself just to make a point against religion?
You can argue against religion without taking the name of evil to do it.
The problem with all of the forms of satanism that you decribe is, they all seem to accept rebelion for the sake of rebellion. It's childish at best and dangerous at worst.
Rebellion against tyrany and totalitarianism is honorable, but rebellion against good is evil.
@tixepower (1195)
• Sweden
15 Apr 09
Lifestyle or not, the school still teach us that it's a religion so there must be some good arguments/facts to support it. I can't talk about these facts because I think the religions we got today are big jokes and since I don't belive in any kind of god, I think there are no religions at all just weird people afraid to die.
@ulalume (713)
• United States
15 Apr 09
And all of the religious people in the world would make the same argument. "It's not about being religious, it's about living for God!" However you package it up, its still the same thing. You're religion/belief is a big part of your life, and should interact with how you live your life.
@Galena (9110)
•
15 Apr 09
rather than a religion, I would consider Satanism to be a Philosophy.
that which you call Traditional Satanists, I don't think really exist. you get people playing at it for childish kicks, but it's certainly not what I would consider to be Satanism.
as for the point above, why choose the name of Christianities bad guy, I personally find that a bit attention seeking in the founding of the path, but those that follow it now can't really be blamed for what name it has.
in Satanism, they use Satan as a symbol of human nature that many mainstream religions try and suppress.
I have been lucky enough to know some very great and inspiring people who were Satanists.
@ulalume (713)
• United States
15 Apr 09
^That is the strangest part about Satanism, it is ironically a very peaceful belief. I have always viewed it in similar light to beliefs like Hinduism or Buddhism. Inevitably there are many differences, but fundamentally they are very similar lifestyles (particularly in that they put themselves at the center of the pictures and liken themselves to "gods")
@ulalume (713)
• United States
14 Apr 09
After studying quite a few religions and general philosophies I have chosen Satanism as my core belief because it really encompasses my feelings about my existance and my values as a whole. Many people are put off by Satanism because they see the word "Satan" and automatically assume "evil people." I think Satanists who believe in a real Satan (and likewise, a real god) are just stupid. I see no point at all to it, it is really just mostly people trying to be rebellious and sacreligious (and attempting to scare people, I would assume). LaVayen Satanists like myself just view that as a pointless, stupid belief as it is the same as believing in any other religion. The "rebel Satanists" you described are not really Satanists at all. They're no more Jews than the Nazi's who stole a Jewish symbol and converted into something that incites fear (the swastika). People take Satan and use the "Satan" idea that so many people have pent up in their heads to create fear. Even examine religious people as a whole. The church has used Satan as the symbol of evil to incite fear to get money out of many people over the centuries.
Anyways, "real" Satanism (Laveyan as far as I am concerned) is the form of Satanism that is generally followed when one says "I am a Satanist" and it is a great belief system because it is so open to many viewpoints. It is basically atheism with a few rules (very few, really).
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
15 Apr 09
"I think Satanists who believe in a real Satan (and likewise, a real god) are just stupid. I see no point at all to it, it is really just mostly people trying to be rebellious and sacreligious (and attempting to scare people, I would assume)."
I agree. I feel that this along with the practice of black magick typically starts out by depressed, bored, "outcast" teenagers who are just trying to rebel and differentiate themselves. Nothing really to do with spirituality. But I guess as time progresses those teenagers can either grow up or become really serious about Satanism.
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@roboid (205)
• Romania
15 Apr 09
You completed my arguments, Thank you. You are right in may ways. I want to say to readers that those rules that you spoke about are more some affirmations than rules. You don't have to follow them as you follow god's command. Those affirmations show a satanist's lifestyle and concepts. Those who don't fit the affirmations aren't satanists. That is all. You don't have to follow some rules to become a satanist. Nobody will punish you (as god does) if don't respect them.
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@ulalume (713)
• United States
15 Apr 09
Christianity is not the only opposite. I'm a Satanist and when you hear me talk I am against all types of religions. Christianity is easy for me, personally, to discuss because I have experienced it more. I think when I discuss Christianity as well, the same ideas should be trickling down to other religions like Islam as well. Some people get it pent up in their heads that we're just out against Christians, and that is not the case. I am not really "out" against anyone, but I disagree with many people's beliefs and lifestyles and feel justified in at least debating it with them (peacefully). People can believe whatever the heck they want, but simply talking about religion/beliefs and lifestyles can lead to understanding (at least) between different cultures, beliefs, and peoples. I know many nice Christians, I have met Muslims who were nice (and ironically had a sense of humor like myself), I know atheists and they are happy people. I don't like to think of myself as being "personal" when it comes to debating beliefs. Even the nicest person could be deemed a fool as far as I am concerned, and I may still even like that person. Perhaps I am deemed a fool by you for being a Satanist! But, minimally, I am a decent and generally respectful and peaceful person. I would expect that is how most religious people are as well.
To add, modern Satanism began in California (USA). The USA is predominately Christian, so I believe these two coincide to some degree but not exclusively.
@sagapo121845 (277)
• Philippines
15 Apr 09
I don't know much about the topic but im sure its really serious and we should focus on this.iLL try to follow and learn this stuff,its kinda interesting and ill try to tell people about this.Thanks for sharing,its really a big help...
@roboid (205)
• Romania
15 Apr 09
Please share as much as you can because people have a wrong ideea about satanism. they have to understand satanists and satanism before accusing them of something. This discussion goes beyond the association of satan as the evil. Also we haveto develop our religious tolerance even if we are christians,muslims,jews,atheists,agnostics or satanists.
All the best,
Robert
@OneEyedGiant (181)
• Indonesia
15 Apr 09
We are already satan, we have destroy the earth, creating pain, sorrow, war, hunger, and do really stupid life.
@roboid (205)
• Romania
15 Apr 09
no. we aren't satan. we are humans that are responsable for their own actions. People just can't accept that is their fault for destroying the earth. They are responsible for everything they do even if they accept it or don't. A lot of people use the symbol of satan to throw away their responsabilities, and thatis wrong. If something good happens to us, why do we have that say that is happend because god wanted so. No it has nothing to do with god. Something good happend tous because we attracted it to us, we were some good persons and did good to others. You get promoted because you worth it,not because god wants to. Same philosophy applies to satan.
All teh best,
Robert
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@Mave_Moheerus (6)
• Canada
22 Apr 10
Well, I seem to be alone here, and I'm sure I'm going to get bashed for this, but here goes.
I am a Theistic (Traditional) Satanist. I believe in Jehovah (God), and I believe in Satan. I choose to worship Satan.
Is Satan evil? That depends on what you consider evil. If you think anything that opposes Jehovah is evil, then indeed, Satan is about as evil as you can get. But if you mean evil as in desirous to make others miserable, then no.
Instead, Satan simply believes we should not be forced to bow down before Jehovah, nor to any others. He teaches us to perfect ourselves, and if we can, help others do the same.
That is what Satan means to me.
@AdalieM (1134)
• United States
28 Jul 11
I don't why people like to use the world religion. I like to use the word practice or belonging to a group. I have read lots of things about Satanism and at first I was a bit skeptical to even go there. I was raised catholic and they tell so many weird and freaky things like Satanic people killing animals and people. I find it funny now, they don't even believe in Satan and they don't kill people. I say let them be. It is a very interesting philosophy.
