Christian Extremism

Me too it's quite sad 'Christians' indulge in such behaviour I mean if atheists do such things (they never do it ) it's acceptable they do not have Jesus or the Bible no rules nothing But Christians do have a responsibility they need to spread the message of love Lets see what the Quran talks about Christians Quran 5:69 says (Arberry): "Surely they that believe, and those of Jewry, and the Christians, and those Sabeaans, whoso believes in God and the Last Day, and works righteousness--their wage waits them with their Lord, and no fear shall be on them, neither shall they sorrow." In other words, the Quran promises Christians and Jews along with Muslims that if they have faith and works , they need have no fear in the afterlife. It is not saying that all non-Muslims go to hell-- quite the opposite. When speaking of the 7th-century situation in the Muslim city-state of Medina, which was at war with pagan Mecca, the Quran notes that the polytheists and Arabian Jewish tribes were opposed to Islam, but then goes on to say: 5:82. " . . . and you will find the nearest in love to the believers (Muslims) those who say: 'We are Christians.' That is because amongst them are priests and monks, and they are not proud." So the Quran not only does not urge Muslims to commit violence against Christians, it calls them "nearest in love" to the Muslims! The reason given is their piety, their ability to produce holy persons dedicated to God, and their lack of overweening pride. (juancole) The Bible Mark 9:38-40 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name, and he followeth not us: and we forbade him, because he followeth not us. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man which shall do a miracle in my name, that can lightly speak evil of me. For he that is not against us is on our part." (KJV) Luke 9:49-50 "...we saw one casting out devils in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followeth not with us. And Jesus said unto him, Forbid him not: for he that is not against us is for us." Jesus did not forbid others from using his name Luke 9:52-56: "...they did not receive him...And when his disciples James and John saw this, they said, Lord, wilt thou that we command fire to come down from heaven, and consume them, even as Elias did? But he turned, and rebuked them, and said, Ye know not what manner of spirit ye are of. For the Son of man is not come to destroy men's lives, but to save them. And they went to another village." He was kind with non-believers Romans 2:14-16 delivers a different and contrasting message. Paul writes: "For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: Which shew the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and their thoughts the mean while accusing or else excusing one another; In the day when God shall judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ according to my gospel." Paul says those who do not have the law will be saved and maybe some muslims will be saved And my favorite 1 Corinthians 10:31-32 "Whether therefore ye eat, or drink, or whatsoever ye do, do all to the glory of God. Give none offence, neither to the Jews, nor to the Gentiles, nor to the church of God:" Which clearly states that we should not offend people of other religions Thats too long my response is filled up of verses Have a gr8 time Njoy

bless you, if only those people thought like you, life would be alot different. i am sick of people passing their judgements about Islam by seeing the actions of a few and putting forward Islamic teachings in a way that gives the wrong impression of the religion.

Actually, Islam is the fourth fastest growing religion, behind Christianity, Bahaism and Zoroastrianism. Moreover, its conversion rate is low, remove the birth rate component of increase and the position is worse. all the best urban

I may be embarrasing myself by saying this, but what the heck, here it goes. I got goose bumps of delight reading your post! I have typed my fingers sore trying to convince poeple blaming a religion and in turn not only religion, but an entire community that what some people do based on whatever false belief they have, should not be viewed as acts allowed and encouraged by Islam. It is unfortunate and at times, disgusting. What I do not understand is why aren't we trying to work towards peace and harmony, however difficult it maybe, instead of throwing dirt at each other. Because YES, Islam is not going anywhere. This is EXACTLY what I said in one of my posts in another discussion. Thank you very much for the eye-opening post for those who want their eyes opened. And murderistic, don't waster your time, sndcain is not OKAY. He needs to see someone. Mylot maybe helpful, but just not enough.

murderisic, Thank you so much for speaking out for Muslims. There are lot of mind blind people against Islam. They think Islam is what they think about, And even don't know what Islam baiscally is. Islam never support extremism or terrorism. Jihad means striving. Jihad for Muslims are Striving to keep our family good, striving to keep our mind out of lusts, etc. \ Jihad of terrorists are striving to kill people, striving to bomb different places, How that related to Islam? It never going to get related with Islam. Thanks.

Murderistic- I'm tired of the threads on here that break rule 12 of the TOS and that Mylot allows it to continue. I'm tired of those who rant and rave, equating the mass religion with the few extremists who break the rules. I'm tired of those who feel their religion is completely without blame. I'm tired of ignorant people, especially online who will rip you to shreds for standing up for what is right, and then go and start racist threads promoting hate mongering. Most know where I stand on this issue, even though I'm new I've been pretty vocal about it. No "religion" is without mistakes, even in today's modern world. America is still Puritanically repressed by Christianity, and it is no better than some of the stories about Muslim countries. I think Christians need to get off their high horse and start seeing the reality. If Christians were so darn good in America we'd not have Christian men beating their wives in the name of God, killing in the name of God, and the list goes on. I'm sorry, but on this one I think Bill Mahr called it right, and he was a lot nicer than I would have been with the Christians he spoke with. I left Christianity a long time ago, and I won't be going back any time soon. However, I don't use my belief system to defend my actions good or bad. If I choose to be a jerk to someone, it's because I chose to do so. It wasn't my god that made me do it, it was my texts that allowed it, it was me-my choice. Just like it is my choice to write this post, not some god or demon making me do it. It's called personal accountability and responsibility. And that is what Christ taught, though it seems to have gotten lost in the hogwash of "religion", "dogma", and "doctrine". And I'm so tired of hearing the excuse "Well, that's not what our religion teaches". No kidding. None of them do, it's called people choose to do the actions they do, and need to remember they alone are accountable for them. Stop the blame game. Ok, I'm done with my soap box. Thank you for taking the time to post a great discussion, because people seriously need to think about this one. Namaste-Anora