When Did The Word CONSERVATIVE Become a Four Letter Word?
By Adoniah
@Adoniah (7513)
United States
April 18, 2009 11:52pm CST
Our country was founded as a Republic. It was a CONSERVATIVE country from day one. How did we stray so far from the origional design to what we have today?
I am not talking about Extreme Conservativism, just not the Flaming Liberalism and Socialism that we have today.
There is nothing wrong with being a conservative or a liberal. It is the FANATICS that are killing our Country. These are the Four Letter Words of today. It is the Extremists that are causing the problem.
We need more folks who are closer to the middle of the road. Folks who have read the Constitution recently, who know the principles that this country were founded on and want to get back to those principles.
This is what we need to fight for folks. This is what we need to get back, NOW!
What do You Think???
Shalom~Adoniah
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11 responses
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
19 Apr 09
I do agree with you about the extremists, it does create a lot of problems when someone takes their beliefs and goes to the far end of either wing, whether it is right or left. But i will admit that it is sometimes hard to fit ALL of the principles that the country was founded on into this 21st century. I think that we have evolved in some areas of belief from then, but you are right about our problem being how hard it is for there to be a common ground settled upon.
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@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
19 Apr 09
I agree that we have evolved, but we do need to keep in mind the Constitution. It is still a living contract that we have with the Government that gives us certain rights and freedoms that they are taking away from us that they have no right to do.
Obama has decided that he wants to pattern this country after the Italian Government. Why? I live here not in Italy. If I wanted to live in a country like Italy, I could live in Italy. I want my freedoms. I don't want a Government telling all the businesses in my country what they can produce and what they cannot because they might be in competition with another company. That is what capitolism is all about. Building bigger and better not smaller and smaller.
I want competition. It creates new ideas. It makes the world a more interesting place.
Shalom
@celticrogue (450)
• United States
20 Apr 09
Adoniah, I do not follow what is in a committee as it is just in a 'work session' for members of Congress. Most of what goes into committee either does not come out or comes out different from what it was going in.
We owe that process more respect than the members of the Extreme Right or Extreme Left gives it. Before becoming Law, it must make in out of two committees intact, then be passed by both Houses of Congress, then signed into Law by the President, then withstand a possible constitutional challenge before the Supreme Court. The process has sufficient safeguards. The Constitution is safe.
@murderistic (2278)
• United States
19 Apr 09
I agree completely. It is the extremists on both sides that are turning politics into a circus. There is no way to unite as one nation when we let things that are actually more personal than political divide us so much.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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20 Apr 09
At the time US was founded to be a republic was a liberal and radical step. Those men that signed the deceleration of independence, sons of European enlightenment were extremist liberals. US was founded by radical, extremist liberals.
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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20 Apr 09
Aye, all radicals tend to become conservatives in time.
"They did not hand out money to everyone with their hand out."
As liberal also refuse to do.
They believed in small federal government.
A pillar of liberal policy
They were also anti European government which is also what we should be!
You would do better to keep your noses out of European concerns and let Europeans decide such matters.
all the best
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
20 Apr 09
That is true, but when it all calmed down they became conservative. They did not hand out money to everyone with their hand out. They believed in small federal government. They were also anti European government which is also what we should be!
We wish to be a Sovereign State just as they did. There are still similarities, you just have to dig for them.
Shalom
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
19 Apr 09
I started a discussion asking when "liberal" became a dirty word a couple years ago. I've been saying for as long as I can remember that it's the extremists on both ends of the spectrum that make everyone else look bad. You're so right, there's nothing wrong with being either a conservative or a liberal, they're just ideologies we follow and and believe in. The vast majority of us are far closer to the middle than we are to either extreme.
Annie
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
20 Apr 09
IT became a dirty word as soon as democrats got control of the House, Senate, and the White House.
@marguicha (223896)
• Chile
19 Apr 09
I am not a US citizen. But as a whole, when people talk about politics and about how things were when the country was founded, you have to make allowances for the passing of time. What is conservative now (or liberal) is different than what it was before. It´s the same with everything. In your national anthem you talk of the "land of the free". Yet you had slavery a long time after the hymn was written and sung. And I remember the civil right movements of the 60s. A long time later than that, I saw the movie "Philadelphia". THe name of the movie was allusive to the place where the nation was founded. Yet there, the gays didn´t have the same rights as the heterosexuals.
I don´t think the world has to go back: I think the world has to move forward to more respect toward all people, all cultures, all faiths, all genders, all races. Only then our planet Earth (more important than a country) won´t be killed.
Peace
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@miamilady (4910)
• United States
19 Apr 09
hmmm maybe us "middle of the road" people need to start a movement, what do you think?
I agree, it's not good to be an extremeist on either side of matters.
We all need to find a middle ground and respect eachothers rights and opinions.
I don't mind people having "extreme" beliefs, just don't try to force yoru beliefs on ME! You know what I mean?
@stealthy (8181)
• United States
19 Apr 09
The very extreme liberal side of the Democratic party is in control of Congress and the White House right now. So they with there long time extremely liberal media buddies will keep painting conservative as a four letter word for as long as they are in control. They working very hard to eliminate freedom of speech on the radio which is the only media outlet left that is not extremely biased to the far left.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
19 Apr 09
Don't forget FOX news! I am surprised that they have not tried to take over the radio. In fact for the first time in years we have a local station that is actually a local station. All of our stations used to be taped somewhere else and then broadcast here. We never had the time or the news announced. Now we get the time on time, the local weather and traffic and the local news. It is refreshing. There is no slant either way to the news since it is just local news.
Shalom
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@celticrogue (450)
• United States
19 Apr 09
I recently bouth the book "The Constituion of the United States of America". It is The Constitution, illustrated and inscribed by Sam Fink. It is an overly large (15 1/4" X 10 3/4") coffetable book. I haven't finished reading it yet, but my impression is that, for the era in which it was written, in was a rather liberal document.
I have also been reading "1776" by David McCullough. From his book, my impression is that the founding fathers were conservatives mostly - there were a few of a more liberal philosophy. But the document itself was considered one of the most liberal documents of the times. Conservatism of the era seems to have been loyal to the King of England. The liberal thought of the times was that man could govern himselft without the benefit of a King or royal family or court, even though England had had a Parliment for centuries - the ultimate authority was King George III.
The first book mentioned has a preface part of a letter written by Benjamin Franklin. In the letter he states that he did not entirely approve of the Constitution at present or if he ever would, but he hoped that the convention would "act heartily and unaminously in recommending this Constitution..." and urges them to put their name on the document.
As the constituion was designed to be a "living document" in as such Congress could amend it when such occaisions saw fit, I don't believe that we have strayed that far from its founding principles. Only those on the Extreme conservative or Extreme liberal sides would have you believe that the opposition was to blame for all what is wrong with our country (They never point out what is right with our country).
And this is nothing new:
During Watergate, Democrats were so focused on trying to implacate President Nixon they overlooked and ignored what OPEC was up to and failed to prepare the country for the ensuing energy crisis. It continued throughout the 70's, through the administrations of both Ford and Carter, both sides trying to "get the goods" on the opposition that they ignored coffee and sugar prices, allowing their prices to balloon way too high. They also ignored what was going on in Iran, which let to the hostage crisis.
Iran-contragate prevented to the two sides from working together to resolve the farming crisis on the mid-1980s.
The Impeachment of President Clinton is where the conservative Republicans acted like six year olds catching a schoolmate with his britchs down (literlally) and trying to legally prove it that they ignored security warnings about Osama bin Laden.
President Bush (the younger) fumbling of the war in Iraq - turning it into another Vietnam - and we got blindsided by the meltdown of the housing and mortgage banking industries.
I agaree that there is nothing wrong with being either conservative or liberal. It takes a rainbow of colors to make a white light. It takes both sides to make our country as great as it is today.
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
19 Apr 09
You need to pay attention to the bills that congress has in committee that are soon to be on the floor of congress. If these bills do indeed make it to the floor then we as a people are in more trouble.
What I am refering to is the fact that Obama is enamored with the countries of Europe and is trying to fashion the U.S.A. after Italy. Italy is a nice place to visit, but I do not want to live there. I live HERE!!! I do not want the President to be the CEO of all the major businesses and Banks and Insurance Institutions and Farms of my country. This is how it seems to work in Italy.
They all sit down and decide what is to be manufactured or grown by whom so that no one copies anyone else. Where is the competion? Where is the incentive to improve? We would become a mediocre country at best and even more folks would end up on welfare because of lack of incentive to enven bother!
Obama never asked us if we wanted to be part of Europe. He has never asked us if we want a dollar called the Amero, but there is a committee discussing it in congress. He has never asked us if we want to be part of the World Banking system yet there is a bill in a committee ready to take over the internet and do just that with the banking~your banking. And they will then know every aspect of your financial life even if you do not do online banking because your bank does. He wants to be a part of the World Courts. Yeah the group that just said that every country must include Sharia Law in they constitutions.
Now do you think we had better get a strong hold on our Constitution and make sure that it stays in effect and that no one messes with it?
Shalom
@Qing2009 (19)
• United States
20 Apr 09
i was in China . China as we know it is a republic country. some people from another countries think chinese people have no right ,no freedom. but i don't think so . i love china. you know china is a big population country. if every one have freedom do anything. what will the country look like. maybe it will be messy. i think now the leader of china make some policies for the the country ,that just want to make china more peaceful. so i think i can understand . i was iive in a small town in china. it is so peace and safe. i love it . thanks for the leader of china. so that most of chinese people can live a good and peace lives.
@MachaMongRuad (191)
• United States
2 Sep 09
As far as I'm concerned, "conservative" is only really a dirty word when used to describe someone who feels the need to legistlate the minutia of how people live and their morality.