I Do Not Want To Voluntary You Got A Problem With That?
By gewcew23
@gewcew23 (8007)
United States
April 21, 2009 12:29pm CST
I do not see anything that is morally redeemable to self-sacrifice for the common good. Why do we have this notion that those that volunteer are some how holier than those that do not? Now we have Obama the Community Organizer in Chief who want all of your child to go out and do community work as part of their education. There is nothing positive that can be learned by children work for free, we used to call that indentured servitude, but I guess that is back in style. If anything is worth doing it is worth getting paid for. A better life lesson would be to go out and find a job that actually pays. What a concept working for a living, not volunteering so you can fell better about yourself.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
21 Apr 09
Actually, it used to be called slavery.
Given the 0bamunist's lineage... slave owner on his mother's side, and slave trader on his father's Arab-African side... he has no problem with that idea at all. It's in his blood.
What community service is his daughters currently performing?
Actually working for yourself for profit is what made this country great.
The liberal notion of entitlement and being owed is what created the mess we have now.
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@sisterjinx (1135)
• United States
21 Apr 09
I don't know. When I was in high school I did 2 different volunteer jobs that I enjoyed very much. One was reading to the very little kids at a story hour I ran from the library and the other was working with the elderly at the local nursing home. I loved both these jobs and even though I didn't get paid for them in cash, they were rewarding to me in other ways. I learned to be compasionate to young and old. I learned that people are people no matter what their age. I learned that people of any age can have valid input.
Volunteer work can be very enlightening and rewarding as well as teach young folks a decent work ethic. It is not about the money, it's about finding something you love and doing it. The money should be a bonus factor and maybe that is what people will get out of these types of experiences.
I don't agree with making this a forced thing, however there are far too many people out there with the attitude of if I don't get paid for it then it's not worth it. That allows for a very "it's all about me" attitude in this country and if we don't begin helping each other soon then we are going to find a lot bigger problems right around the corner.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
21 Apr 09
So teaching kids to work with pay is a good thing, I guess I never learned that virtue. What would have been more enlightening would be that these children learn the value of a dollar and nothing in life is free. Volunteering never teaches anything that matters in the real world.
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@BarBaraPrz (47828)
• St. Catharines, Ontario
21 Apr 09
Here in Ontario, the kids have to put in so many hours of volunteering before they finish high school or they don't get their diploma.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Apr 09
The way I look at it Obama is signing it into law....so no matter what our tax dollars are going to do to paying for "volunteers". So sence I am already paying for someone to do the job why should I do it? Do you pay someone to mow your yard and then turn around and mow it yourself? No. So why do it when I am already paying someone else to do the work.
By the way.....it is not volunteering. Once you get a dime for it....it is called a job. So what these people are doing IS NOT volunteering.
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
21 Apr 09
There is nothing voluntary about force, and nothing noble about slavery. Our children are not the property of anyone, and no school official has the right to force them to volunteer for a diploma. My taxes are not voluntary and neither is my work.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
21 Apr 09
so that would make it "force employment".
Hey I am a stay at home mom. I take care of my children, homeschool , clean the house, make the meals, do shopping, laudry etc.......
all day everyday. 365 24/7. NO sick days. I am so a member of a political activist association. I acutally have a minor leadership position with it. I do not get paid a dime for that work either.
Do those count as my volunteer work? I am not getting a dime.Because if this thing goes mandatory I won't do it (I would not do it even if it was not mandatory). I do not have the time.
Man I just re-read my commment. I do A LOT of work.....and do not make a dime. I really need to rethink some things. I gotta find a way to make being a MOM and an activist pay.
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@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
21 Apr 09
Here is what the 0bama crowd fails to understand, voluntary means that the person chose of their own free will to do it. If it is MANDATORY it is no longer a VOLUNTEER activity by it's very definition.
If you choose to do something out of the kindness of your heart, there is nothing wrong with that so long as it is your CHOICE whether or not to do so. There is no such thing as mandatory volunteerism, the moment the activity becomes a requirement, it is no longer voluntary.
Forced unpaid labor is slavery, plain and simple. I'll not let anyone enslave my children. If my kid wants to volunteer for something, that is my kid's choice, you cannot FORCE somebody to volunteer, because then it is not voluntary!
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@suspenseful (40192)
• Canada
22 Apr 09
Sounds sensible. Volunteering means having a choice, not being forced to do it. So someone will volunteer to help at a soup kitchen because they have time on their hands and want to do something for the less fortunate. People will volunteer to help Second Harvest but they are not doing it because they have to, they are doing it because they want to. And they are not doing it in place of getting a paying job, they are doing it in place of watching Tv, going to movies, etc. sitting at home and eating bon bons.
Obama has forgotten that. He thinks volunteerism is something you are forced to do to show that you are a tRUE follower of Obama.
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
22 Apr 09
Awww come on now, why don't you want to come home after working 8 or more hours a day, with most of your money going to taxes. Then go out and do mandatory, voluntary work for another 3 or 4?
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@uicbear (1900)
• United States
22 Apr 09
I really don't think that a teen seeing other parts of life through volunteer work is the worst thing in the world to befall our kids. Lets all jump to the conclusion that these kids will have to sacrifice years of their lives, sweating and toiling away in sweat shops across America. And what's wrong with feeling better about yourself or wanting to make the world a better place? Come on, get a grip.
Education is mandatory until 16 years of age. That is a law. Are you throwing a fit over that? No, why? Children need to be educated. Volunteering can take many forms and possibly be worked into the high school curriculum for credit. Schools have all kinds of requirements for graduation, maybe a semester of volunteer work could be a substitute for a PE credit or a humanities credit. Maybe they will bag food at a food bank for a couple hours a week, or read stories at an after school program. I know sounds horrible. Or go and talk to some elderly people at a nursing home, or help take care of animals at a humane society. Help teach some local kids basketball, soccer, baseball at a boys or girls club.
There are so many things that can be learned from volunteering. Do I think that there will have to be limits to maybe 2 hours a week? Yes, I think that would be reasonable. Do I think that there would have to be options that would cover every spectrum of possibility, yes, so that each teen could find something that they would be interested in. There would have to be opportunities for kids to earn their hours on weekends, after school, or during breaks, or over the summer. Whatever would work best for the kid.
I have done quite a bit of volunteering. In high school and in college. I have never regretted doing any of it. And yes, some of it wasn't easy. With some projects I got dirty and ended up quite tired by the end of it. My experiences made me more appreciative of what I have, of my family and friends, my job and the things I am able to surround myself with. Volunteering made me think outside myself, something that I think most teens could use a lesson.
@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
22 Apr 09
The point is, it's not voluntary if it's mandatory. You can't force people to care about others. If their parents don't teach them to care, no amount of mandatory, voluntary service is going to change them.
I work at a nursing home and the last thing we need is a bunch of teens hanging around who don't want to be there and don't respect the elderly. We already have enough problems with hiring staff that doesn't care about them. I know darn well they will be coming, we already get a lot of them that get in trouble and have to do community service.
Then, I have to babysit them because I'm an activities director. My job is to do activities with the residents, not babysit teens.
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@MissAmie (717)
• United States
22 Apr 09
I would love to VOLUNTARY to teach you how to spell correctly. There's this magical book called a dictionary. And if you can't spell "volunteer" yet claim to have read Atlas Shrugged. There's something fishy about that.
I smell a troll.
@AngryKittyMSV (4317)
• United States
22 Apr 09
You must be smelling yourself then, since you have posted a trolling comment that is completely irrelevant to the topic being discussed and you have violated mylot guidelines by criticizing a member's spelling and also by leaving a comment that is off-topic and only exists to harass another member. Go troll somewhere else, it is not acceptable here at mylot.
@luckyattraction (268)
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22 Apr 09
It is not always about a 'feel good factor' nor is it often about feeling holier than others. For me, volunteering has helped me gain the much-required work experience to gain admission into uni. The life skills gained (including free training, supervision, mentoring) far surpassed my expectations from a work-for-free setting.
Without all that experience, I could not have hoped to find a paid job with so much competition from more experienced people in the same age bracket. So, yes, pumping my resume with all the little volunteering stints surely has helped me go places; not to forget the confidence and networking it helped me build.
The only paid jobs I could have found at that time (2 years ago) were in the supermarket or postoffice. I would be stagnating if I had chosen that option!