I set up a new bed for vegetables along a fence.
@GardenGerty (160879)
United States
April 26, 2009 4:04pm CST
Saturday, after buying the garden soil to go in this raised bed, I bought a few tomato plants. The price of ready grown plants has really increased. I have almost no luck with seeds. My frugal step was that I made sure each one of those pots had at least two plants, and maybe more. That way I can have all I want, and I can share with my daughter in law as well. Any more frugal gardening ideas?
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@ElusiveButterfly (45940)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Whenever I purchase potted plants I look for the pots that have more than one plant in them. Why buy one when you can get two for the price of one? Buy good quality seeds. For the price you pay you are almost guaranteed to get results. Think of the money you'd have to shell out if you bought the vegetable fresh. That is what keeps me from whining!
@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I am so looking forward to home grown tomatoes. Hubby wants me to make my pepper jelly and sell it. He sold a jar at work this summer.
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@JoyfulOne (6232)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Oooooo...a raised bed! I would LOVE to have that kind of spot, that is so convenient. I do something different in my gardens to conserve watering. Every year in the spring, I save my 2 liter plastic pop bottles. When it's time to plant my tomatoes, etc, I throw away the cap and cut off the bottom rounded part of the bottle. This makes like a giant funnel. When I plant the plants, I put the funnel in the hole first (leaving about an inch above ground) and then put the plants around it. When it's time to water, I aim the hose right into the funnel part until it's filled up. No more soaking the ground and letting the water run for time on end. Doing it this way lets the water get right to the roots where it's needed, and it's not laying on top to evaporate. I also add my fertilizers into the hole. We have droughts here sometimes, and the summers we had them people were always amazed at how lush my plants were despite 'no rains.' This method lets me recycle and raise really healthy plants!
Another thing I do is square foot gardening. If you're not familiar with it, a web search explains it better than I ever could lol. You can fit more plants into an area doing it this way. I've been doing it that way since the 70's, as well as using my giant funnel idea. I can't wait for it to warm up enough so I can get out there and get my garden going! I can't wait to see all the responses others will share here. Happy gardening GardenGerty :-)
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Probably the bed I have done will qualify more as square foot gardening or intensive gardening. It is at a height that I can sit on a bench to work it, if I choose. It is up against my neighbor's new fence, but I built a cinder block wall and filled it with peat moss, soil and compost. I think I have a book on square foot gardening. I am hard pressed to find space in my yard that gets enough sun. This bed is one and a half feet wide and twenty five feet long. I like that I can work the whole thing but not walk on and compress the soil. I have tried using milk jugs, but I bet the 2 liters will work better. I have also used a catch bucket for water in the shower. I will put a soaker hose in this new bed.
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@babystar1 (4233)
• United States
26 Apr 09
I just bought some tomato and green pepper plants today. I did not plant them yet, probably will wait untill first part of May. When do you plant your tomato plants.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I may go ahead and plant them on Friday this week. Our night time temperatures look like they will definitely be warming up from then on. Before then we have a couple of nights in the forties, and I know the soil will not have had a chance to warm up.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I have no tips as this is my first garden but do you know why my corn hasn't sprouted after 10-12 days?! I planted peas in peat pots and two of them are up but the bush beans and corn haven't shown my any growth! Any ideas?
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Is the corn in pots or outdoors? If it is outdoors the ground may still be too cold, or critters may have stolen the seeds. Peas should be great just straight in the ground as they prefer cooler weather and in my neck of the woods they die around mid June if not sooner. If your corn and beans are in peat pots, make sure they are getting some warmth. You can even put them on a tray on top of the refrigerator to stimulate bottom root growth.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
To me it seemed normal as I have another friend online in Minnesota that starts them in pots indoors. I meant if dragon put the corn in the ground the critters might have stolen it. I used to have an old egg incubator and I would put trays of plants on it to get bottom heat to get them growing. I have been trying to tell daughter in law she is rushing the season even here. Most stuff does not want to go out before the first week of May. Exceptions here would be peas, lettuce, radishes and spinach, which all like the cold.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
27 Apr 09
You probably planted them a bit early, Dragon, if your pots are outside (which is the only way I can figure them possibly being stolen like Gerty suggested). You're in Ohio, like me, and typically...unless your plant is a cold-loving thing, you don't put it outside before the "last frost date" -- which is mid-May here (sucks I know, but at least Corn doesn't take a long time like most other things, which alot of us generally start indoors March-April so they're a decent size before we put them outside, like tomatoes). Sorry if I'm going on here, I'm a bit of a worry wort ^_^'
Corn is a kind of grass and actually, it adores heat. ^_^' Hopefully they'll still be okay after being in the cold...they SHOULD be, I'd think, but I'm not sure, if they have been in the cold, at all, of course.
If you did it inside, then they might be old or bad seeds, where did you buy them from? Also, I'm curious about your ideas, since I'm a bit surprised at the idea that you started them in peat, rather than putting them directly in the ground after the frost date. I'm not saying it's bad or anything, I just never heard of anyone doing it, 'cause most people're terrified of disturbing the roots and upsetting the new plants too much so that they die -- which I think may be a bit unfounded, considering they said the same thing about sunflowers, and we started those inside this year!
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@moneymommy (3418)
• United States
26 Apr 09
I have been trying my luck with seeds. I think thats a frugal as I can get with my garden. Will see if they grow, I ussually have better like with buying the tomato plants.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
26 Apr 09
Things I can sow directly in the ground, like beans or squash or cucumbers seem to do okay. I usually buy tomato and pepper plants.
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@pergammano (7682)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
If you find a tomato/cuke/zucchini plant you truly love..it is very easy to save the seeds...and I DO. Basically because there is so much manipulation of seeds by Monsato & Monrovia nowadays, that we are not able save them. They have manipulated the genes so that we CANNOT save them...as they are generically modified so they do not reproduce. I owned the very first Nursery on this small Island that I live on...and lived thru a lot of influence(interference) by these companies...If you wish to PM me, I can/will share this info! Cheers!
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@katsalot1 (1618)
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26 Apr 09
Do you use your own compost? Having a compost heap or container for all your vegetable peelings and weeds etc. is a good way of increasing the goodness of the soil that you grow things in, so you end up getting more from the plants that you grow.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I have a compost bin, and have used compost periodically. I can also get it from the transfer station (dump) because they compost the yard waste and give it away free. I put all my peels and stuff in the compost, it keeps the trash from smelling so much. Banana peels I have heard make excellent fertilizer for tomatoes.
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@Thoroughrob (11742)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Good luck with your plants. I love the fresh veggies, too bad they only can be grown here for a short time.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
That is when you have to pick things that have short maturities. Like I got mostly Early Girl tomatoes, as they are supposed to be ready in fifty days. I will put epsom salts in the soil for them, too.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Well, this year, we're doing alot of things the old fashioned way -- we've always done it the old fashioned way, for the most part, but this year we've got to do alot without machines...like a good amount of things we can't afford a tiller for, we've gotta dig it buy hand. Also, our soil is not the best and highly clay-y...which means we have to bust our butts with as much compost as possible, and we've been scavenging for materials (especially stuffs like manure) this year.
We'll be saving the seeds of all our stuffs, all through the year as our plants give us food. Of the stuff we like, we'll keep it, and of the stuff we don't we'll sell the seeds to those who want them...and use the money from that to try something new next year.
This year, ALL our seeds in the starter boxes came up (minus some flowers, but they were old seeds anyways), so we've actually had a little too good of luck. Although we're technically a farm with a little over an acre -- we're gonna have a tough time taking care of ALL of them, so we've been giving away some, trading some for other stuffs we need, and selling as many as we can. It's only been a small chunk, but it makes me feel better -- especially knowing that the people who recieve our extras won't have to spend insane money and feel strained at their need of them this year because of us (we did fifty sents a potted plant, this year, which seemed reasonable as we only paid a dollar a packet ourselves). We've made a little over twenty bucks so far, and as I said this is only a little chunk, you can see my own desperation to share the luck around ^_^'
I'm not complaining, mind, I'd rather have intense luck than no luck at all. We've junebugs infesting our soil, and that might be our dose of bad luck this year. To get rid of them, as we're digging, I'm gonna have to make my own mixture to kill them. I was gonna make hot sauce/garlicy water and pour it through the dug up earth. I just hope my efforts work.
We've been cutting up milk jugs to make lables for our plants, and using plastic spoons and stuffs for lables, and cutting up water bottles and poking holes through yogurt containers and folding up newspaper to make pots -- as we've been in desperate need of them.
It's been interesting, these past few months, the last bit of this spring and into the summer and fall shall be even more fun, I reckon. Good luck with your tomatoes, Gerty!
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
29 Apr 09
When I had a rabbit I gave him maple tree twigs.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I had a neighbor that did not like vegetables, but thought that raising grass was a waste of time. He grew vegetables and sold them inexpensively, and collected all the geraniums he could in the fall and sold plants from the cuttings the next spring. In one of the responses someone talked about using toilet paper rolls for seed starting, and I think that would be a great alternative to peat pots and they decompose.I get plenty of those.
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@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
27 Apr 09
That's a brilliant idea! If we didn't give the cardboard toilet paper rolls to our rabbit for chewing I think we'd do that.
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@drannhh (15219)
• United States
27 Apr 09
Yes, when you cut off the side shoots to prune your tomato plants, don't throw the suckers away, but rather stick them in a glass of water on a warm and sunny window sill. They will root in about 4 days and then you can put them in soil (or hydroponic solution) in a partially shaded location for about 5 weeks and they will be ready to plant. If you are gardening in dirt you don't want to leave the rooted cuttings in water too long or the roots will adapt for water instead of soil. Tomato plants reproduce from cuttings faster than from seed anyway.
When we bought our first AeroGarden we bought the tomator seed kit and they advised us to cut the smaller plants off and discard them, leaving one strong plant in each hole. Instead I carefully removed the grow plugs, opened them up and took the extra plants out to replant in another AeroGarden. That way I got 9 plants instead of 3 and they all grew and produced tomatoes. One of the plants, grown from seed in August of 2008 is still producing, but I'll have to kill it off in a couple weeks because we can't take it with when we migrate to our summer place.
Good luck with your tomatoes!
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
29 Apr 09
Maybe you can find someone to give it to. I have started tomatoes in the past form cuttings. Maybe next year I can have a hydroponic system or a light case for the winter. I have done the lights for tomatoes before. I love to start different rooted cuttings. When I have tried to explain to people that they need to transplant while the roots are still fairly young, I have told them it is like the difference between gills and lungs. One is suited for water but the other is not.
@saundyl (9783)
• Canada
27 Apr 09
HMMM tips - if you havent put dirt in already if you lay old newspapers out in layers under the dirt it weeds and grass have trouble growing THROUGH the dirt and you have to weed less.
Keep your pots to reuse for replanting next year. If you have extras of certain plants you started sometimes friends are willing to trade for extras they have. One year i had about 60 tomatoes and i only wanted 10 but they were old seeds so i wasnt sure if they would grow.
Aphids - keep em away with a spray bottle of water with dishsoap.
You can make your own peat pots with eggshells, egg cartons (paper), newspaper or tp rolls
You can start geraniums and citronella plants from cuttings. (citronella are awesome for keeping mosquitoes away.
Attaching ribbon to a stake so it blows will keep critters out of the garden (or pinwheels!)
Salt between rocks for paths keeps weeds from growing.
If its gonna freeze cover your plants with blankets, buckets, tarps, etc.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I like the ribbon idea and I may have to remember the toilet paper rolls for next year, or even later this year to start some other plants. If you have a problem with deer you are supposed to hand bars of Irish Spring soap. That is what a nearby nature center does with the baby trees it starts.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
29 Apr 09
It might keep a lot of things away. I am not sure about cows. It might keep bugs away, though. Does anything keep cows away?
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I will have to try that myself. Thanks
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
The good thing is that once you get your asparagus going you will have a bed of it for many years. I think it looks pretty, too.
@cableman67 (872)
• United States
28 Apr 09
I'll tell you how I start my tomato plants and they grow huge. I have to use a fence that I make round so they can grow up it.
I take a 50 pound bag of potting soil and a 50 pound bag of black cow manure. I mix them 50/50 in a bucket and then dig a hole with post hole diggers about a foot deep and 8 or 10 inches in diameter. I then plant my tomato plants completely in the mix with only the tip of the plant sticking out of the ground. It will take a week for the transplant shock to wear off but then they will seem to grow inches a day.
After a couple of weeks I will mix miracle grow once a week for my plants too. I also let my cucumbers grow up a fence. It makes so much better cuke.
@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
16 May 09
I think I will top dress with manure. That is how my tomatoes grew in my first every garden. It turns out the place I chose had had a chicken coop a million years ago.
@marguicha (223720)
• Chile
27 Apr 09
I´m in autumn now and there´s not much I can plant. I read your posts full of envy. But this year I´m experimenting with potatoes. We have mild winters where I live so I planted grown potatoes to see what would happen. I will not lose anything (butr my dreams) if nothing happens.
About ideas: I have a potted herb garden where I get herbs year around.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
16 May 09
I am envious of your herbs, and with your mild winters you could be successful with the potatoes. How neat.
@swatig (1183)
• India
27 Apr 09
I not but mine dad is having experience of gardening as they doing something or other and utilizing their retirement time like that and we and others got various types of vegetables but not tomato, its ginger and lemon and some few more, whose name i not remember rite now but i also enjoy with them and understand the thing that 'regular water' to seed is necessary to grow.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
6 May 09
Ginger and lemon sound both flavorful and colorful. I hope your dad has a great gardening experience.
@draconess (650)
• Canada
27 May 09
I tried to start most of my vegetable plants from seed this year, but most of them didn't grow :( Every tomato seed sprouted, but none of the cucumber, zucchini, or broccoli. So now I have to buy starter plants from the greenhouses again, no money-saving this year. Oh well, I guess if they turn out and produce well, it's still cheaper than buying the veggies in the grocery store would be! And gardening is just a great hobby, it provides exercise and relieves stress!
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
8 Jun 09
I know that cucumber and zuccini need warmer soil to grow. I am not sure about broccoli, I know it is a cool season crop. Gardening is just healthy all the way around.
@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
8 Jun 09
That sounds really delicious. I love fresh everything.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
28 Apr 09
It has to be something wrong with your soil. Did you know you could take a soil sample to (I think) the department of agriculture and they will test it for free? You sure can! It takes about a month to get the results back but when you do, you'll know what you need to add to your soil. I found this out from an old friend and farmer and hubby did this for the first time but we're still waiting for the results. For now we just put miracle grow soil into the ground and put the plants that we've grown inside in the ground and hope for the best until our results come back. Good luck!!
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
16 May 09
I think it is something wrong with my attention to the seeds. I also have trouble because mostly my area is gravel with a little soil over it.I am building it up, and that is why I built up a bed this year. I am so excited to see what happens to it.
@dorisday1971 (5657)
• Philippines
27 Apr 09
I also love gardening. In fact, I have many tomatoes and bell peppers in my garden. I love to take care of them and when there are fruits, I am more happy to pick them. I plant vegetables becuase it helps me save money especially now that the prices of vegetables have increased.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
27 Apr 09
I think I like tomatoes and peppers the best and they are very healthy for you.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
17 May 09
You could also start plants from plants. If you clip off one of the leaves at the base you can place the bottom of the base in some water in a jar and hold the rest of the leaf up between 2 popsicle which you may have to weigh down. they should sprout some roots, and then you will have another tomato plant started.
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@GardenGerty (160879)
• United States
17 May 09
I am going to start cuttings of all my different varieties, I think I may even try to do it late enough in the fall to carry them through for spring planting.