Mormonism? Scientology? Anglicanism? Worthy of believing in?
By wong89138
@wong89138 (50)
Canada
May 4, 2009 10:39am CST
Just wondering how people can believe in these religions. I mean, L. Ron Hubbard apparently told a friend how awesome and how profitable making up a religion would be 5 or so years before he started Scientology. Anglicanism was formed because Henry VIII didn't get permission from the Pope to annul his marriage. And the story of Mormonism sounds just plain silly. Reading tablets by looking into a hat that no one else is allowed to see? Not reproducing the same transcript from the tablets after the first transcript was "lost"?
Sometimes I wish I could get over the possible fallacies of a religion and just believe.
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7 responses
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
5 May 09
Hi Wong, this is a very sensitive question.
Many Chinese spend more money on Taoist and Buddhist worship, while many Christians spend far more time on their religions.
As long as a person is at peace with himself and with God, it doesn't really matter what the form of worship is. Even when the founder has questionable motive for starting a religion, if he is able to bring greater benefits to his followers, he is doing a good deed to the society at large.
@wong89138 (50)
• Canada
5 May 09
hmm I guess so...I do believe more in the end of the journey than the path taken. But still...making some a-hole money for starting a cult? Why not spend your time and money at a church who has noble intentions AND started under noble intentions? One that does volunteering for the community? Haha, my friend pointed out last night how so many religious groups don't do anything for the community outside its own church.
@wong89138 (50)
• Canada
7 May 09
That's cool! No, I wasn't saying that newer religions don't help the community. I was saying that I'd rather be part of a religion that did good for the community AND started under more "pure" circumstances, or at least, not have a shady history. But thanks, I didn't know all that.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
6 May 09
Hi Wong, the surprising thing is that many newer churches are more active in the community.
Many of these have very active preaching activities, within the community where they live and to other countries. Many are also involved in preaching to the prisoners.
Honestly, if anyone can direct the murderers or rapists to the right way, and bring benefits to the community, I do not really care which religion they are from, I admire their spirits.
Even the Chinese temples in Singapore are very active in community. Some provide free food for anyone who walks in, some provide free tuition service, some donate the money to the needy and sponsor nursing homes for the poor.
@urbandekay (18278)
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5 May 09
No, Henry V111 quarrel merely bought to ahead the rebellion against Papal authority. The Papal system stated when the then Bishop of Rome rebelled against the Orthodox Church. Thus Anglicanism is more authentic than Roman Catholicism and is still in communion with the Orthodox Church. It is not so much a cult as a rejection of the Catholic innovation of Papal authority.
all the best urban
@wong89138 (50)
• Canada
5 May 09
Hmm, that's a valid viewpoint on Anglicanism. I'm sure there were other deciding factors. But I doubt Henry VIII's full intentions were only noble. Gaining a son made a lot of importance. And since the decision was up to him, perhaps he decided being able to get a new wife and satisfy those who turned away from Catholicism was a pretty sweet deal.
@urbandekay (18278)
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5 May 09
No indeed, I was not pretending Henry's motives were noble but only that without an existing movement against the Roman Church that he took advantage of, his action would have been other.
all the best urban
@constaanta (571)
• Germany
17 May 09
You might get a step ahead in your search for the truth by reading a more modern text than is the Bible. In the New Revelation of Jakob Lorber (1800 - 1864) Jesus himself gave a dictation in German language which is explaining the Old and the New Testament. All the translational mistakes from Hebrew to Greek to Latin to medieval and modern languages are escaped from. For me as a German these 12.000 pages of the New Revelation have been like a religious gold nugget after a 30 years search. Meanwhile the New Revelation is available for free on internet in English, Spanish and many many other languages. What is important: everybody believing in this New Revelation can stay in his personal church (there is no "Lorber-Church" anywhere). And there is no antipathy of Jesus towards Protestantism, Islam, Jewish and Asian religions. I have found all the peace of my life in these readings and I am ready to die without any fear any time.
@Chiang_Mai_boy (3882)
• Thailand
5 May 09
Anglicanism? WTF? How do you equate the Church of England with these two cults?
@wong89138 (50)
• Canada
5 May 09
not with great difficulty. What I meant is that these religions are mind-boggling in particular because its origin can be actually tracked with full documentation, evidence, etc., unlike other religions, which started much too long ago to actually document it (properly). I mean there is the bible, but the impartiality of that is questionable.
The Church of England was started right after Henry VIII asked the Pope to annul his marriage, which the Pope denied. The fact he started it right after is probably more than coincidental. Most Anglicans don't deny this, but they say their faith makes them happy. Good for them. But why not join a different sect? Or better yet, be non-denominational?
And technically, Mormonism isn't a cult. Of course, you could see all religions as cults.
@ulalume (713)
• United States
4 May 09
These religions have the same amount of evidence to proove their valid existance as any other, generally accepted, religion: nothing! I find that to be humerous. A religious person would insist their religion is right and other religions (especially these!) are wrong because they appear to be blatant lies; yet these people do not see the eerie similarities between their own faith-based religion and these.
@nashlix (186)
• Singapore
5 May 09
i think we shouldnt pinpoint to any religion and say that its just plain silly. i believe that whether you are a good man is all that matters. i do not believe in any one god but i do think there is a higher power up there. you can be a christian, catholic, hindu, buddhist, muslim, atheist and all you preach is how bad the other religion is. at the end of the day, you will be admitted into heaven or experience something good in your afterlife based on what you did as a human being and not whether you are tied to any one religion.
@sysdexlicwriter (1619)
• United States
4 May 09
People believe in many religions for many reasons. Many times they were born into it or one hit them as comfortable at some point in their life. I have attended two or three different churches (long term) in my lifetime and while they certainly were not perfect, the social interaction was many times good (other times not so good). The experiences overall good or bad did build me in many areas of my life and helped me to define different issues. When you are a history buff and you look into many or the origins of what we do, not only religion but education, health, family life, etc., you come away with wondering why in the world we do most of what we do.
When it is clear that someone has taken advantage and is out preaching just for themselves, I am not surprised but I take that and try to never do that in my life. The Bible says that many will come in Jesus' name and shall deceive many. It also says that His sheep hear His voice. I pray that God will help me follow only that which follows Christ as the apostle Paul gave example. I have felt like I was a crazy person from time to time when the whole crowd was going one way and I knew it was not right. Time worked it out and God has never let me down.
I enjoy listening to a lot of points of view on God but when the end of the day comes, I find that a good time spent in the Bible while asking God as a little child what it all means is most fruitful. Prayer time with God over many issues and what do they mean also settles me in to a very wonderful place. I have found that when I ask God to find a church for me it is not ever perfect but it teaches me what I need to know for the journey. Sometimes it is a long stay (20 years). Sometimes it is a short stay (a weekend or several months). Also, asking God to send you friends, a mate, etc. always works but you must be open to stepping outside of the box. God has never sent me "the church people." He has sent me an agnostic lady who raised goats and sold goat milk, a Buddhist secretary, a Christian colon therapist and master herbalist from different faiths, and many others. Everyone of them have been very dear friends. We never tried to change one another but just enjoyed each others' company and learned much.
My daughter taught me to ask God to give me what I need to learn next. The answer can come from many sources like radio, TV, friends, library, internet, etc. I love to go into a bookstore and just ask God to guide me to a book or two. The last time I did this, I ended up with a book whose author I really dislike. I picked the book up two or three times and finally just forced myself to buy it. Little did I know that the information in that book would help me to understand the Lord's Supper more deeply. I am so glad that I obeyed.
Finally, praising God, not so much singing about Him but singing to Him is very good. This also takes a little work getting to know Him. He has many names in the Old and New Testament that shows different character traits. As we get to know His "personality," God becomes more real in every situation.
Your statement about wanting to just believe reminds me of this: I think about a person who came to Jesus and asked Jesus to help him with his unbelief. I have asked God to help me to believe and help me with my unbelief. He has never let me down. I am encouraged that you are a researcher and a thinker. This will always serve you well.