Obama sticks with Bush-era polar bear rule
By Breelyn
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
United States
May 10, 2009 3:14am CST
Please read this article and tell me how you feel about it:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30635672/
I am generally in approval of Obama but i must admit that this article does make me sad and a little pissed off,,,,im an animal lover and believe that wildlife are so important because they make the world more beautiful and they are a part of everything so they should never disregarded or taken for granted, but im highly disappointed in Obamas decision on the polar bears because i don't feel like it gives justification to the fact that polar bears ARE BECOMING ENDANGERED because of global warming,,,thats just my opinion
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9 responses
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
10 May 09
This whole man-made climate change crap is getting old. The polar bears were taken off the endangered list because their population is swelling. They are stable and capable of procreating and continuing to manage a healthy population so our intervention is not currently necessary. These morons who think that climate change is killing them are the same ones that were telling us the north pole would melt last August. Check the numbers, last year we had global COOLING. Yes, the temperatures worldwide DECREASED last year.
The fact is that there has been climate change throughout the history of the world that has had nothing to do with humans. Global cooling has cause many species to become extinct long before recorded time and global warming has done the same. The fact is that there is still no proof that humans have anything to do with that. There is far more evidence that the sun is the cause of all our climate change. Of course that is far too simple a solution and can't turn people like Al Gore into millionaires.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 May 09
that may be true but we need to stop polluting our planet. that is what will eventually poison us all, we have only been industrial for a short time and look at the world already, in a few hundred years where will we be.
I agree that we need to cut back on pollution wherever possible. I'm not sure how you define a "short time" though. We've been industrialized for hundreds of years. Thousands even depending on how you define industrialized. The most significant pollution came from over a hundred years ago when we used less efficient technology in metallurgy.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 May 09
I wasn't calling you a moron and I'm very sorry if it came off that way. I was actually referring to the people who published articles in National Geographic making such claims and saying that global warming was destroying the polar bear's habitat and that by August of 2008 (the article was in February of 2008) that the North Pole would completely melt. Let me reiterate, the word "moron" was NOT directed at you, but at the bogus scientists.
The people making those claims got published in National Geographic and other normally reputable publications so I can't fault people for believing them.
@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
11 May 09
well I don't think that you need to call me a moron, i never thought the north pole would melt but just because i have a different view from you doesn't validate you calling me a moron
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
10 May 09
They show one skinny polar bear on a floating piece of ice and the "global warming" screams start. Then there's the infamous scenes Gore stole directly from a movie, that were fake in the first place.
Yes, I do believe we should take care of the animals but I also believe we need to rethink how we are doing it. At one point the bison was almost extinct and then the brilliant idea of breeding them for meat came up. They have been off the endangered list ever since.
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@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
11 May 09
I have never seen the Al Gore movie, thats not why im concerned about global warming. I see what you were saying about the bison and agree that there are right and wrong methods of protecting the population of wild animals, but I don't think that just saying "oh the polar bears are fine" kind of attitude is right, look at how many beautiful and once extremely thriving animals, so many of them are extremely endangered....but i still get your point about the bison, because there reaches a point where you can catch a species population declining and then just work on conservation of the population ideally.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 May 09
Why? It's true. All the meat animals are doing quite nicely. Chickens certainly aren't in risk of going extinct.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 May 09
That's true and it is to our regret but sometimes things don't go as nature planned and, yes, man is often responsible. Better they be in nature preserves than only a dusty stuffed display in a museum. Wouldn't you say?
@piasabird (1737)
• United States
10 May 09
This is actually one of the very few things that Obama has done that I agree with.
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@spicysweetie21 (2573)
• United States
11 May 09
Could you maybe explain more as to why you agree with it? Because there are a couple of aspects to this story, yes i stated what I believe but I think its still a good thing to hear everyones opinion because one thing that i sometimes observe in life is that a lot of people don't really have an opinion on environmental concerns or on wild animal/species issues, so hearing some sort of opinion is better than hearing no opinion
@Adoniah (7513)
• United States
10 May 09
Actually, if the sunspots do not return in the near future the polar ice will reach the thickest it has been in decades, and the Polar Bear problem will fix itself. It is happening you know. The scientists are saying so themselves. It is just idiots like Gore who are making millions off of his lies that want the Global Warming fears to keep going. Parts of the North are already refreezing at amazing rates, and could actually start causing severe cold problems.
Shalom~Adoniah
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
10 May 09
I feel for animals, I really do. Every day we live in the world is a very historic day. For the first time in almost 6 billion years, a species of animal has the intelligence to help another species of animal. Some years past, melting and sporadic ice ages and disease and famine and etc were unrelenting in their destruction. There have been far more species to go extinct than actually live on the earth now.
I know it sounds insensitive, but that's just nature. It's survival of the fittest. I feel for the bears, but I realize they're also just bears. Jump into their realm and they will eat you.
People first: that's my simple philosophy.
It definitely doesn't help matters that more and more scientists are coming forward and claiming that warming isn't at all near as bad as some make it out to be.
I really don't feel as is people are obligated to save animals. If it's voluntary, fine; more power to you.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
10 May 09
I'm not a scientist, so I haven't the slighest clue. All I know is that some say yes, while others say no. Sadly, the crowd that says yes refuse to debate the crowd that says no. This would lead me to believe that global warming can't be overly legit. I mean, if it's truly a cause that all humans must sacrifice for, a healthy debate to prove its existence is needed. Instead, the global warming community has constantly changed its tone.
First, it was global warming: the planet getting hotter, the ice melting, the polar bears dying, Florida washing into the sea. Next, due to the fact that we only had one year hotter than the rest in, like, four decades or something, they switched to "climate change," wherein ANY change is considered man-made.
On the surface and in context, this does seem utterly ridiculous. It basically means ANYTHING that happens with the weather is cause for new government-mandated measures to go through.
I'm personally torn on who to believe. The scientists and activists for global warming slander and ridicule and use the filibuster move where they say "it's happening!" and then simply move on. They don't try to "prove" it. They simply submit their evidence (which changes constantly) and demand we all get on board. The scientists that say it's not happening are ignored and accused of having a right-wing agenda. This is more ridiculous than anything. The planet's wellbeing isn't a right-left thing; it's a people thing.
Until we can stop playing politics with it, I'll have to say to heck with global warming-slash-climate change. Sorry, polar bears, but the jury is not only out, they're refusing to deliberate.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
10 May 09
First of all, global warming is a normal cycle of the planet. It has been both much warming in the past, and much cooler in the past.
Second, the theory of man-made global warming, that idea that we have anything to do with it, is not supportable by science.
Third, polar bears are not becoming endangered anymore than pigeons. Even the people who want to make the claim, contradict themselves. The World Wildlife Fund, WWF which is fitting since Worldwide Wrestling Federation is also fake, in a public statement said "Polar bears are on their way to extinction", yet on their own monthly news letter dated Feb 09, said "The general status of Polar Bears is currently stable".
Ironically, the 1950s estimates of polar bears was around 8,000. Today the estimate is between 20 to 25 thousand. When you get past the crisis news paper headlines, the fabricated teary eyed movies, and the hot air from Al Gore, the bottom line is it's made up.
Polar bears are simply used as a political football by those in power to take more and more control over our country. That's all there is to it.
@bobmnu (8157)
• United States
11 May 09
It seems to me that in come communities in northern Canada the Polar Bears are becoming a problem with over population. They were made an endangered to prevent oil companies from drilling. It had nothing to do with the number of polar bears it was all a political move.
According to some people the squirrels around the White House are different enough to be call a separate and endangered species if you follow the stricts guidelines that some follow. In many of the environmental case to stop building or stop controlled burns they will cite the differences in a small rodent as being in need of protection because of it's unique coloring or certain physical charismatics. It may be a very common rodent and be all over the area but get the right judge and he/she will give into the environmental groups.
In my neighborhood we can not find a gray squirrel because the black squirrel has moved in and taken over the area. Should I shoot the black ones to protect the gray one which are endangered?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
11 May 09
I have to laugh at the whole polar bear scam. Since the 70s, scammers have shown pictures of polar bears in their natural habitat, but making it sound like the bears are somehow endangered because their natural habitat looks uncomfortable to us Humans.
What I have yet to see is a picture of thousands polar bear carcasses, with Global Warming as the cause.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
11 May 09
I disagree. I'm sure you can get a polar bear to drink coke if you try. On the other hand I don't believe we can actually warm the entire planet to the degree that it would leave us with a pile of polar bear carcasses. He1l we can't even make it RAIN when we want it to.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 May 09
They just keep showing the same scrawny wet polar bear and claim it as their proof.
I haven't seen any pictures of polar bear carcasses either and find it about as likely as seeing polar bears drinking Coke.
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 May 09
Go ahead and try it. Let me know how it works out for ya.
@seanmaders (102)
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10 May 09
They care more about money than the planet, they are so naive. Thanks for directing me to those sites!
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