obama's visit to College Notre Dame

@winterose (39887)
Canada
May 17, 2009 5:44pm CST
there is no secret that I am Canadian and there is no secret that I love Obama, and for you who do not like Obama, because I love obama does not mean I hate Americans or America, far from it, I believe Obama is the hope and life that America needs right now to stay strong and vital. Now for those of you who would tell me if you love Obama so much why don't you take him as your leader of the country - I would if I could, he is much better the Stephen Harper whom we have now. Well to get to the discussion Obama came to talk to the largest Roman Catholic college in the country of Canada, Now being Roman Catholic the college made it's views known that they are against abortion, and Obama new that when he came to the college to talk about abortion. Now that is brave, and you know what he did well, and found a common ground and people even clapped. He is an amazing man, Now for you people who will tell me if abortion is so great why don't you get it legal in Quebec, newsflash it is legal in Quebec and Canada. But like every law there will be people for it and against it. Any thoughts? Please keep it civil though, no fights about if abortion is right or wrong, or if Obama is a good president or bad one.
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• United States
18 May 09
Well to get to the discussion Obama came to talk to the largest Roman Catholic college in the country of Canada Uh, actually, The University of Notre Dame is in Indiana, USA, it is an AMERICAN Roman Catholic college, not Canadian. I read his speech and they must be iceskating in hell, because there were actually things he said that I liked, particularly about resisiting the urge to demonize people who have a different opinion on a serious issue from yourself. It IS possible to disagree without being disrespectful, on that I can agree.
• United States
18 May 09
The problem with politicians like 0bama, or perhaps all politicans, is they are constantly monitoring people's response to what they say. They constantly seek feedback as to what it is people want to hear. Then they say that which people want to hear and positively respond. Watch what 0bama does more than what he says. 0bama has some very highly paid people keeping him informed as to what people will agree with. That's why he uses a teleprompter so much.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
thanks Angry Kitty, I understood it to be our college du Notre dame, the name is the same, either way I stance remains the same.
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• United States
18 May 09
Now Red, I think you know me well enough to know that I am not gonna trust a man I feel is untrustworhty and has some rather shady ulterior motives just because he manges to uter a few statements that do not enrage me. I really only stopped by to point out to the OP that Notre Dame is not in Canada as she said it is, but figured 'd also try to be polite and give the guy a bit of credit for managing to not piss me off this time.
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@PrarieStyle (2486)
• United States
18 May 09
That's strange, I always thought Notre Dame was in the U.S. I don't think they should have invited him in the first place and don't understand why they did.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
angry kitty and prairie style, the college du notre dame now is all over the canada and usa in many cities, the original is french college du notre dame is not an english word, it means the college of our lady in english, and the first one was founded by samuel du champlain in 1608 in quebec city, again I am sorry for saying it was canadian because the news I just watched said college du notre dame, not university of notre dame in which case I would have automatically recognized it to be american, sorry for the error and thank you angry kitty for pointing it out.
• United States
18 May 09
Ok, forgiven here.
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• United States
18 May 09
You're right, Notre Dame is in Indiana, which is in the USA, not Canada.
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@mtdewgurl74 (18151)
• United States
17 May 09
Well, right it is way to soon to even think if he is a bad president. I mean he hasn't even been in office long enough. It took years for People to realize that Bush was bad. So they need o give Obama a chance that we have given each and every other president. I am all for change, we might not like all of the changes but in the end I feel that it just might work out for the best. Although I myself wouldn't do it unless the doctor made me like it was life threatening or another but I am not going to judge someone else who want to do it. I know they are more preventive measures but nothing is full proof and things happen. I think that it is great that they were able to find some common ground, just because someone don't like one thing about someone doesn't mean they are ruined for other great things. I honestly hope he succeeds in turning things around. We need it.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
amen ladies
• Canada
22 May 09
To take your country back from where or what? I thought America was a democratic country as it is. If not so why are you sending your bright young men and women to far away places on earth to be gobbled up as canon fodder?
• United States
18 May 09
What he wants to accomplish is total government power and control. How long of a chance should we give him? Should we wait until we have no freedom to take our country back?
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@bdugas (3578)
• United States
18 May 09
To me abortion is something that you do when someone has been raped, and they don't want to carry a child forom that kind of situation, or when it is to save a mother's life, or if the child would be born nothing but a vegetable and have to just lay with not even knowing it was alive, I can not for the life of me understand why someone would knowingly bring a child into this world to suffer that way. But to just go out and spread your legs and become pregnant and then yell for abortion to me that isn't right. I did hear him say his daughters should not be saddled with a child they didn't want. Well the solulation to that is don't lay down and get pregnant and you won't have to worry about an abortion and that is what he should be teaching them. And I will say one thing for Bush, his words came out of his own mouth, someone didn't have to write down every word he says so he can read it off, to me that is like someone else running the country and giving their opinion, not Obama.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
I agree with you on abortion, however the current economic system was caused by the republican administration for the 8 previous years. obama just inherited and as I said before it didn't matter who the president would be they inherited the problem, this is not taking sides for either president or party it just the facts, if the last administration had of been democrat then they caused the problem or atleast didn't do much to fix it, but it happens that it was the republican administration when the recession happened in the usa, and it will take years to get out of, regardless of which administration is in power, this is simple economics. here is the scope on presdential speech writing According to two former presidential speechwriters, Ray Price and Ted Sorensen, most U.S. presidents had help writing their speeches. Even George Washington sought editorial assistance from Alexander Hamilton. But Calvin Coolidge was the first president to hire an official, full-time speechwriter. Since then, every president has had an Office of Speechwriting. President George W. Bush's speechwriting staff is comprised Director of Speechwriting Michael Gerson, deputy writers Matthew Scully and Peter Wehner, and David Frum, who specializes in economic speeches. Sometimes the president's other staff and advisors also have a say in speech texts. How much does the president contribute to his own speeches? That varies according to the president and the speech. Ray Price says his former boss, President Richard Nixon, didn't always use written speeches. Nixon was a seasoned debater and felt comfortable without a prepared text. President John F. Kennedy made Ted Sorensen's job easy because of Kennedy's own eloquence. Even if the president doesn't write his own text, he influences the speech. As Michael Gerson said about one of the speeches he and his team wrote for Bush: "The entire speech has [Bush's] fingerprints. Our concern was not to write a good speech but to write a good speech that is also his speech."
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
18 May 09
I am pro-life and I wouldn't ever have an abortion. I think life begins at conception and the growing baby is an innocent one. The aborted babies are the missing people of the world and so there might be a few great ones that have been lost forever. Many ladies regret their decision after having an abortion and some of them get depressed about it years later. Once a baby has been aborted the clock can't be turned back. Abortion is legal in some countries and illegal in a number of others. As you say "like every law there will be people for it and against it". I know that President Obama is doing the best he can and as far as abortion is concerned I have a very different opinion to him. I don't know much about President Obama. I think that the students at Notre Dame Catholic University must have found it fascinating to meet President Obama and hear his speech.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
very well said my friend,
@maximax8 (31046)
• United Kingdom
22 May 09
That is a lovely thing to say my friend. Thanks.
@GioBuffon (119)
• Canada
18 May 09
Heyy winterose ! I'm in Quebec too, and I had no idea that Obama would be coming here ! Are you talking about the College Notre-Dame in Montreal or is it somewhere else ? Let me know, I really want to know !
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
yes Giobuffon I made a mistake, and angry kitty pointed it out and set the records straight, it was the university of Notre Dame in the USA that he attended.
• United States
18 May 09
Sorry, he appeared at the University of Notre Dame in Indiana, USA. Winterrose made an honest mistake.
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• Canada
18 May 09
Oh I see, well thanks for letting me know, I really appreciate it for commenting back and letting me know !
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@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
18 May 09
yup I saw that on the news this morning. and abortion is a big deal here really dont know why for I do beleive it is up to the person weather to carry on a unwanted pregnetcy.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
yep I do too.
@Lakota12 (42600)
• United States
19 May 09
cool
@irisheyes (4370)
• United States
19 May 09
I'm an American Catholic and an Obama supporter. This has been going on for awhile down here. Ususally it's a case of a Catholic college or university offering an honorary doctorate to a notable Catholic who is pro-choice. Sometimes the colleges go through with the ceremony and sometimes they bow to the pressure. I'm very glad that Notre Dame did not back down and recind the invitation to Obama. When the pope spoke out against the war in Iraq, these groups did not picket every Catholic college that honored or extended a speaking invitation to a pro war politician. Why shoud they do it now? Catholic colleges are going to have to eliminate politicians at their commencements altogether if they have to find only those who are in compliance with all Catholic teaching and it should never be a prerequisite anyway in a country that separates church and state. There was a recent poll taken in Pennsylvania that indicated that most American Catholics support Obama in spite of his pro-choice stands. In fact 60% of American Catholics (self included) are pro-choice. We think abortion is horrendus but we recognize the mother's right to choose.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 May 09
thanks so much for this very informative post, I love to learn about things like this
@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
18 May 09
I think Obama is doing his best for us right now. Everything is fresh and new for him right now also and he took on a major job here in the United States. It will take him a long time to clean the mess up but I think he will try to do his best with the job at hand. I cannot say a whole lot about abortion. I am for it in one sense and against it in another.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
yes I do think he is doing a good job, it is still early days, he hasn't even been in office for full six months yet.
@Grandmaof2 (7579)
• Canada
18 May 09
I have to agree based on the speaches I have heard I think Obama is about the best the US can expect, bearinbg the facts that no one is perfect. I too am in Canada and I am aware of the abortion laws and no doubt you're right there will always be people who agree and disagree with abortion. Personally I think for birth control error abortion should never be an option, but with that said and having only one child I can and will say that in a case of lets say if my daughter would have been raped and made pregnant, or in a case where my daughter was pregnant and it could be proven to me that my daughter was dying and the only way to save her was by aborting the baby, I know in a heart beat I would sign the papers and I think many would do the same and keep it a secret. Just my views based on being a mom of a daughter. Thank You God for never putting me in this position!!!
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
Yes grandma thank God we or ours have never been put in that position.
@worldwise1 (14885)
• United States
20 May 09
You are a person with the courage of her convictions, winterose. I, too, believe that Obama is the right man for the job at this point in our history. Some people are going to be critical of him regardless of what he does. I hope that he gets the chance to see some of the plans that he has put into action come to fruition. I also must admire his courage when the odds were so clearly against him when he visited the college. I don't know if the abortion issue will ever be settled to everyone's satisfaction(I doubt it), but there's a lot to be said for keeping the lines of communication open.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
22 May 09
absolutely worldwise I hope he can see some of his plans come to fruition as well.
• United States
18 May 09
Easily intimidated, I won't touch this discussion no how no way. That being said, I do like Obama.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
okay
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
19 May 09
So far Obama is doing a pretty good job, and what he said in his speech was wise. Abortion is not something that is ever thought about lightly. Except for a few bone heads that use as a matter of convenience, most people do not think of abortion lightly, those who get abortions (except those few boneheads), don't think about it lightly. Nobody wants to get an abortion, nobody sets out in life planning on getting an abortion. I don't think anybody takes it lightly. Personally I would never get an abortion but I don't believe I have the right to tell someone else what is right for her. Unless you are walking in someone's choose you don't know what is going on in their world. I think it is more important that we stop the need for abortions. Educate young girls, provide birth control if necessary, provide and encourage alternatives to abortion by making a stronger pitch for adoption. It is a shame that so many women have adoptions while so many others who want children can not have them. It would seem more logical to put a baby up for adoption rather than abort it. I don't think there is enough emphasis on that. If we stop unwanted pregnancies from happening and fit women who have unwanted pregnancies with people who want children but can't then we can stop abortions.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
20 May 09
yes you are absolutely correct!
@cynthiann (18602)
• Jamaica
18 May 09
Sorry my friend, I respect Mr Obama and his views too but I am passionate against abortion. I will stay out of this discussion even though I know what you mean.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
19 May 09
it is okay cynthiann you do not have to agree with abortion, there are very good points on each side of the issue.
@Savvynlady (3684)
• United States
18 May 09
If you like Obama, there's no need to apologize to me same as if you liked Bush; With that said, I got to watch Obama's speech on tv today; CNN had live coverage, and as far as I'm concerned even though I believe in the Lord and consider myself a Christian, abortion is a private matter. Every time I think about folks saying well this or that, I cannot help but think about how some of my own people who couldn't afford them back in the day, end up having to people who messed up their whole bodies;if you wish to call them butchers, that's what they were.that is not right. then again, going into that subject raises eyebrows too. but everytime I think on this I cannot help but think of how women went through things back in the day.
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@tyc415 (5706)
• United States
18 May 09
All I can really say is I voted for President Obama and am proud of it. He comes across as a real person and not just a typical politician and his wife and children are awesome. As for abortions, I feel it is up to the person who wants it and is no business of mine. The only time I would really get angry about it is if the woman just used it as a form of birth control, that is not right at all. I never would have an abortion.
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
yes and even here in canada where it is legal it has to be for a darn good reason, not just because you feel it is a form of birth control because it is not, if a person has had a few abortions and the doctor feels it is only because they are too lazy to take precautions they will be prevented from having another abortion as well.
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
18 May 09
I'm just going to say I totally agree with everything you are saying. Have a great evening!
@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
thank you lelin
@angelsmummy (1696)
17 May 09
i personally wouldnt have an abortion but i would never have a go at somebody for having an abortion as its their lives and circumstances. i would love to have obama as my prime minister instead of gordon brown who claims biscuits as expenses grrr :(:( i think you have started a very interesting subject here!! i will be watching this discussion like a hawk lol =D
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@winterose (39887)
• Canada
18 May 09
thanks hon, and yes I agree with you a hundred percent, we don't get too much news of gordon brown here in quebec, but we get all the news of american presidents.