Why do people HATE the word "F-E-M-I-N-I-S-M"

United States
May 22, 2009 10:22am CST
I learned this from my boyfriend but I'm guessing its because SOME-HOW the word has been attached to lesbianism!! All I can say to woman who brush it off this way and follow the same suit is 'look around you'. Woman have been made great stride to establish personal rights and a 'sense' of equality only to continually have their rights bashed down as miniscule. Men continue to attain job advancement while woman are subject to taking mediocre 'fill-in' jobs and yea, you could say "What about Hillary Clinton?" but do you really think the percentage of women in office or in big business represent the entire body of women?? I think its nonsense to point to someone such as Hillary and just assume that all is right, I love her so much, don't get me wrong but I do not see businesses being held accountable to woman's rights. WHY, when woman take maternity leaves from their jobs or a couple years off to raise their children, WHY do we suffer for it in our later years when recieving our measily social security checks? Shouldn't their be measures in place to make this fair, WHO ELSE is going to have the babies? If you ask me, businesses do not even acknowledge childbearing and punish women for it and I can't blame the women to skip having children to further their careers, still it makes me sad. I think for women to scoff at feminism is to attack their own cause and I encourage women to read about womans rights movements throughout history and compare it to today--it will become apparent that women's rights movement has taken steps backwards and continues to. Can you find examples of this around you? Heres a clip I found, "..one-third of the Reagan BUDGET-CUTS, for example, came out of programs that pre- dominantly serve women--even more extraordinary when one considers that all these programs combined represent only 10% of the federal budget cuts....... government budget cuts in the first 4 years of the Reagan administration alone pushed nearly 2 million female-headed families and nearly 5 million women below the poverty line." [Backlash, Susan Faludi]
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
22 May 09
Feminism is over-rated, and I have little respect for most feminists. There are a lot of things women can do that men can't. Case and point - selective service. Men are bound by law to sign up for selective service at the age of 18, and not doing so results in hardship for them. Women, on the other hand, don't have to worry about that, but I never hear feminists crying about how we aren't forced to register for selective service, either. Of course there's still discrimination going on, but it goes both ways. Women aren't the only ones who have to worry about it.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
22 May 09
Well it doesn't make much sense to scream about discrimination towards your group when you get a lot of benefits to being in that group as well. That doesn't mean sit down and take every act of discrimination quietly, but rather not make a big deal out of it. Women are pretty much past the need for equal rights - our problems stem more from social stigmas.
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• United States
23 May 09
Well it doesn't make much sense to scream about discrimination towards your group when you get a lot of benefits to being in that group as well. That doesn't mean sit down and take every act of discrimination quietly, but rather not make a big deal out of it. Women are pretty much past the need for equal rights - our problems stem more from social stigmas. Social stigma's means its ok for women to settle for mediocre pay that doesn't even provide for decent standard of living for-- certainly not to raise a family alone. I wouldn't consider my asking this whining and I do not agree with the idea that to raise the question is just doing more harm for women, sounds like the 'sit in the corner and shut your mouth' attitude, hey, throw me a bone every once in a while doesn't change this.
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• United States
22 May 09
So does that mean we back down, or raise up?
• United States
23 May 09
I actually just took a gender politics class and some of the replies on here just make me laugh because people are still generalizing feminists when there are TONS of types of feminists. The only reason feminists are given a bad name is because the media tends to spotlight on the more radical groups which are the lesbians, the men-haters, the ones who want artifical births, communal families, etc. Those groups are creating a ton of drama so therefore those are the ones that are going to receive the attention. I think people just need to realize that both conservatives and feminists have good and bad parts to all the arguments they possess and there is no right person.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
23 May 09
"I think people just need to realize that both conservatives and feminists have good and bad parts to all the arguments they possess and there is no right person." This statement stood out to me. Why must the terms "conservatives and feminists" be mutually exclusive? Why can't a feminist be a fiscal conservative, pro-life, and/or believe in traditional values? What exactly does feminism mean to you?
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• United States
23 May 09
Conservative is the term mostly geared towards women are you anti-feminists due to the fact they are the ones that believe in pro-life, working in the home, religious so therefore they go against a lot of what feminists believe are their main points. Also think about how things go in politics - conservatives are normally the individuals that are wanting to keep things the way they are whereas liberals have been the group that seek "change". The terms are grown to mean many different things, but instead of just throwing an automatic meaning to the word you should look at how it is being used. Feminism to me is women seeking change because they feel that they are being discriminated against. I can't go off and say that feminists are women who wanted to be treated equally to men because there are groups of feminists that completely believe that they are different from men and therefore need special treatment, and there are feminists that believe they are actually worth more than men and therefore don't need men in their lives.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 May 09
This is a question I've been asking myself for decades! For some reason some people think that any woman who calls herself a feminist somehow hates all men and even hates the idea of motherhood! When I was younger it seemed there was a constant battle between "working women" and "housewives". It seemed more like each group was on the defensive, as if they thought the "other side" were belittling them and I don't believe that to be the case. It sure hasn't helped that Rush Limbaugh has been using the term "Femi-Nazi" for years and he's long said that "feminists" are women who aren't attractive enough to make it in the mainstream. Annie
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• United States
22 May 09
that sounds so hateful, and he calls them nazi's
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• United States
25 May 09
Now we are, most of us, working women and housewives, both. Pulling double duty and taking care of the bills, the house, the kids, the yard, personal relationships, school, church... EVERYTHING. The reason is that many men in this country (I am not saying all of them, but I will say at least 1/3 of them) don't step up and take care of their families. All of us know divorced women or even baby mama's whose sperm donor didn't even have the where-with-all to get married in the first place; and these women have to be everything to their children. They are the money makers, the mother and the father. Some don't even have a support system such as parents or friends to help them. I'll bet Ol' Rush has a woman or two to take care of his laundry, cooking, cleaning, and other assorted needs. I would be shocked if he is anything remotely like self-sufficient.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
22 May 09
The reason people hate that word is because "feminists" have made it something completely different than a term for women seeking equality. First, many so-called feminists don't want equal treatment in the workplace. They want special treatment. Take for example maternity leave. Now I have no problem and no objection to a woman who takes leave to raise her family and be a responsible parent, but why should your job, or SSA "reward" you for spending years not working or contributing to Social Security? I can assure you that if I, as a man, tried to get special compensation for taking time away from work to raise my son, my boss would laugh me out of his office. You know who REALLY gives feminism a bad name though? Feminist Groups. These are the groups that PRETEND to care about women's rights. They pretend to be the defenders of women. In truth, they don't give a crap about women. They only care about raising money and pushing their own political agenda. That's why feminist groups didn't stand up for Hillary Clinton. She actually stood for the things they claim to support, but they backed Obama and chose to ignore all the vicious attacks on her. It gets far worse if a woman is conservative or *gasp* pro-life. I NEVER heard a single feminist organization stand up for the brutal lies and smears against Sarah Palin, or even her DAUGHTER Bristol. I heard "feminists" en masse saying that Sarah Palin should be at home taking care of her children and that she's a horrible mother for trying to be VP. I even watched a feminist openly mock Carrie Prejean when asked why feminist groups weren't defending her.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
22 May 09
Taskr, since you were the one who brought the Palin's into this discussion I guess it won't make me obsessed if I comment on it, right...lol? I know we've been through this all before but what exactly were the "brutal lies and smears" against Sarah Palin or her DAUGHTER Bristol? If you're referring to the sick rumors started by someone online about Trig actually being Bristol's baby, that was disgusting but it wasn't done by anyone in the mainstream media. I also disagreed with those who said "Sarah Palin should be at home taking care of her children and that she's a horrible mother for trying to be VP" but I don't recall any feminist groups saying that, just a few SEXIST individuals. Regarding Carrie Prejean, what should feminist groups have been defending her AGAINST? Feminist groups, whether you like them or hate them, aren't too keen on beauty pageants to begin with because they believe they exploit women. Annie
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• United States
22 May 09
I think its essentially saying that if you look pretty enough to fit the mold then you will get a free ticket, sick, how about making opportunities for women to break into the field of science
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• United States
22 May 09
thank you for your comments
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@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
22 May 09
Because they don't represent WOMEN. They represent themselves. They are not for equality nor do they represent equality. It is all about politics and pressing their own agenda.
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• United States
22 May 09
I know there is still discrimination against women. I have experienced it myself. But if you look at this is way, there is some type of discrimination against every group of people. The problem I have is with these Feminist groups is because they say they are all about women yet if a women disagrees with their political view than they are attacked, mocked or they are completely silent on the matter. The Feminist preaches equality yet practices very clear discrimination. See the problem is that there is this illusion out there that they represent ALL Women. When this is simply not the case. Of course, lately, many have been calling out the feminist groups on this and their real colors are starting to come out. Feminism is now a dirty word because these radical female groups have turned it into one. A woman who chooses to stay home and raise her child should be applauded just as much as one who goes out and gets a job.
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• United States
23 May 09
Yea, but like most conservatives I doubt most of them would feel proud in comparing themselves to Rush Limbaugh and see his behavior as silly. I still wouldn't buy it if someone came up to me and said I'm a conservative and I'm proud of Rush Limbaugh! Thats just a tiny percentile, but unfortunately what they have going for them possibly is that their just more outspoken, so while I wouldn't consider myself radical feminist I prefer to be outspoken about it because these radicals do not represent ME.
• United States
22 May 09
I get what both of you are saying above and I never thought alienating my gender from others was the answer but at the same time that doesn't stop the fact that their is still discrimination against women. I wasn't saying women should get special treatment, I do not see it that way. I do not think women should stop expecting equality because of a few radical feminist groups (who seem to have gone underground). I think for many women with new children it can feel very alienating and many men still cease to acknowledge that raising children even IS work--thats crazy!! But if you think about it, thats all they know I guess because Industrialism says your only as good as the work you put out--and that means, work that translates into money, so at the same time I guess I can't blame em for thinking that. And all the teachers out there who get payed little kudos compared to other careers and I just think its wrong. These same people raising our children of the FUTURE and they STILL get measily pay. I know there is men who are teachers but the majority of teachers are women. Then you go 'up' the ladder and you get PROFESSORS.
@maccer50 (39)
• United States
22 May 09
I agree that there has been a huge backlash in this country (USA) and I personally have felt it. In 1989 I was making 11.41 per hour as a security guard for a dept. of energy contractor. During this time, I also took classes to further my eduaction at a local college. Now I have 18 years of experience and am one semester away from a bachellor's degree. The jobs I can get in the Denver area pay right around $12.00 per hour. I have a lot of student loans to pay and I am thinking that none of it was worthwhile. Do you think I would have busted my behind by working and going to school just to have student loans to pay? Absolutely not. Of course I have had 2 children in all of those years too. Because of my family, I have had to stay home with my kids for some of those years. My husband, conversely, has 2 years of college and makes a lot of money (right around 80k) working in the IT field. I am glad that he has been successful, because if he had not been, it would have been more difficult for our family, but I am jealous in many ways. I have heard a lot of crap about how women should stay home with their kids because it damages them if you work. ( Doctor Laura is fond of saying such things on her radio show) And it seems that conservatives love Doctor Laura and take what she says as gospel. That is why I think it is ironic that 4 years ago, under the Bush administration, my husband lost his good IT job and I had to leave my children at home and find a job. The job I got was as a security supervisor, because even though my education is in business and marketing, security was the only job I could find that paid more than $9.00 per hour. The Bush administration and their brand of conservatism touted the "idea" of women staying home with their children, but in practice, it was under that political administration that I had to take whatever job would keep my family living in a house and eating food. It has been frustrating for me and I am sure other women have had similar experiences. Once my husband got a good job, I quit working because the jobs I can get pay so little and take me away from my kids. Frankly, unless we are in an emergency situation in our family, it does not pay for me to work. One year, I worked for OppenheimerFunds and my husband made a lot of money that year too. We got dinged badly on our income tax. That year, I only made around 22k, but my hubby made 65K, we paid more taxes than we would have if he had made 80K by himself. It makes me angry and I don't feel empowered to do anything about it, but it simply does not pay me to work.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 May 09
Rev, schools already get all the money they need. We spend more per student on education than I think any other country in the world. Throwing money at education hasn't and won't fix our problems. The bigger problem right now is where the money is going and why education was so much better when I went to school in the 80's than it is now when they are spending double the amount of money. The airforce should have the weapons necessary to defend our country, hands down. You can make jokes about bake sales, but we'll see how you feel about military funding after another terrorist attack kills thousands in our country.
• United States
23 May 09
heres a bumper sticker i found, [b][u]it will be a great day when our schools get all the money they need and the air force has to hold a bake sale to buy a bomber[/u][/b]
• United States
25 May 09
I was complaining about the economy and the fact that women's salaries have gone down instead of up and that there are a lot of societal expectations on women that are impractical and unfair. How did this break down into some kind of worn out dogma regarding the military? As for that, I was enlisted in the Navy in the late 1980's, so really I feel that I contributed to the safety of our country. Yet another thing I am not respected for.
@Pigglies (9329)
• United States
23 May 09
I don't think people necessarily associate feminism and lesbians. But people do often think of feminists as mean ladies who want all the rights of men. I think women should have all the rights of men. I think asking for extra money for raising children and having children is going beyond the rights of men (unless you want to give the men these rights too). I don't agree with companies being punished because an employee gets pregnant. If you want to raise children, that's a personal choice and not something that you should be paid for. There is no shortage of people on the planet so I can't see a reason for governments to foot the bill for this either. If anything people who don't have any children should get paid a bonus for not overpopulating the planet. The funny thing is, we were just talking about this at work today. If women could all get time off each month for their period, and then of course if you're pregnant you wouldn't need that. But your time would add up so that you could use it as maternity leave. Otherwise it is kind of unfair to women who never have children. They never get that free month off. But this would then become unfair to men. And would obviously have to result in pay cuts for everyone too.
• United States
23 May 09
I think the reason this has become so complicated is that there was never measures to fit the system--of course we can't award every women who chooses to have children and if they were to do that now there would be a whole mess of corruption and abuse for such a thing. This is something that needed to evolve a long time ago, something that employers could work out with the government just like a pension plan. If women in the corporate world have to fear losing their job for taking a maternity leave (which still happens!) then thats not right. Some of these women spend years to study and nail that decent job and do not have babies until their 30s and now even late 30s (which for many is proving too late, and costing losts of money for infertility treatments, out of their pockets). But this is something that will only get more complicated, even nonexistant, if not addressed, women deserve to feel equal to their male counterparts. I think men should be encouraged to be a part of the process when women have babies and given so many days for maternity leave but instead they slave away to bring in the bread and too exhausted when they get home. But I see more and more fathers taking the initiative, most likely something their mothers taught them the importance of.