"Jesus Never Existed" - Is Kenneth Humphreys right?
By DuoMaxwell
@DuoMaxwell (953)
United States
May 23, 2009 1:47am CST
I have to say personally i'm not an atheist myself, but i'm also a semi-christian. I'm more of an agnostic or something like that, and during these past few days i've went to this site that has a LOT of sources, evidence and proof to back up their claims in debunking Christianity, and showing absolute proof that maybe, just maybe, that the Christian Church are guilty of the world's troubles, how religion itself leads to ignorance, superstition, fear, war, etc., their tyranny and how they've been responsible for the Dark Ages including the burning of libraries, the suppression and repression of knowledge, the banning of science and philosophy, anything that they deemed as so-called "pagan" had to hit the road. In other words, they've given anything and everything that could help us improve further, enhance our lives, and bring the real greater good to humanity the holy boot and replaced it with everything that has to do with Christ, even God's kitchen sink!
Because of the sources on the top of the page, and it all sounds truthful, i'm 90% convinced about this, but the 10% of me is still doubtful about it.
There's no way that religion, especially CHRISTIANITY of all sorts, could screw us over and mess humanity up THAT badly. Here's the list of links that i've included just to let you see what i'm asking about. However, like I said, there's the 10% of me that says Christianity is "not guilty" of the crimes told there.
All i'm asking is a second opinion with any extra facts to support or debunk his words just to see if what Kenneth Humphreys, the author of the book and the site's owner is right or wrong about this, because if he is right, and if Christianity DID cause these crimes of humanity, then i'd rather not follow a possibly religious tyranny that put false words in God's mouth and/or torches away good, real and useful knowlege and learning that leads to man's growth and enlightenment just so they make people blindly obey a mythical person that may or may not exist in the first place.
I'm already down to my last leg of my Christian beliefs, and i'm already this close to tossing my faith down the toilet.
Again, I still have my doubts about this. Is he and the whole site right, or completely wrong?
The links below are NOT, and I repeat, NOT referral links!
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/xian-barbarism.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/closure.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dwarfs.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/cost.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/science.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world2.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ruin.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/medicine.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/sin.html
There's no way that religion, especially CHRISTIANITY of all sorts, could screw us over and mess humanity up THAT badly. Here's the list of links that i've included just to let you see what i'm asking about. However, like I said, there's the 10% of me that says Christianity is "not guilty" of the crimes told there.
All i'm asking is a second opinion with any extra facts to support or debunk his words just to see if what Kenneth Humphreys, the author of the book and the site's owner is right or wrong about this, because if he is right, and if Christianity DID cause these crimes of humanity, then i'd rather not follow a possibly religious tyranny that put false words in God's mouth and/or torches away good, real and useful knowlege and learning that leads to man's growth and enlightenment just so they make people blindly obey a mythical person that may or may not exist in the first place.
I'm already down to my last leg of my Christian beliefs, and i'm already this close to tossing my faith down the toilet.
Again, I still have my doubts about this. Is he and the whole site right, or completely wrong?
The links below are NOT, and I repeat, NOT referral links!
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/1000years.htm
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/xian-barbarism.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/closure.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/dwarfs.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/cost.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/science.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world1.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/lost-world2.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/ruin.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/medicine.html
http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/sin.html1 person likes this
8 responses
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
25 May 09
I really don't think that you can blame violence on a religion...ppl are responsible for their own actions. The fact that they claim to do it in the name of Christianity or any other religion is simply an excuse to justify their behavior. Also some ppl read passages in the Bible and twist them to mean what they want them to mean.
As to your choice in religion, my best advice is to pray about it. You don't have to pray to any particular God or in any special way, just pray for guidance. Good luck with it.
[b]~~AT PEACE WITHIN~~
**STAND STRONG IN YOUR BELIEFS**[/b]
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@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
27 May 09
How come? Can you elaborate or explain the reason why you think he's wrong please?
@ckyera (17331)
• Philippines
24 May 09
hello, i think "Jesus never existed" thing is his opinion, let's respect it. But as much as I am concern I do believe that Christ do exists.
Christianity doesn't mean CATHOLIC church alone. those things that Mr.Humphrey shows just involved catholic priests/popes and I'm aware of those things coz even Philippines tastes the cruel acts of some catholic priests way back Spanish era. Take note that the crimes committed there involves Catholic priests & church. The question is are they real Christian?We must first understand what Christianity really means and who are the real Christians. The bible said that Christ founded a church which He will save come judgment day. So it is important to find out which church is that. There are prophesies in the bible that will help in recognizing the true church, the true Christians." The church built by Christ during the first century had apostatized. This was led away from the true faith by the false prophets who arose in the Church after the time of the Apostles. On the other hand, those who remained firm in the faith were slain by ravenous wolves.
The fulfillment of the prophesied false teachers who would lead the Church away from the truth are the Catholic priests.
They introduced false teachings into the church, until the Church became the Catholic Church - a church essentially different from the Church of Christ as described in the Bible"(statement above is supported with bible verses and some references written by catholic priests.)
I just shared to you what I have read. Its up to you if you will believe or not. What I am just trying to say here is that, there should be no question on Christs existence. Christ do exist. Christianity doesn't involved Catholic Church alone and we must search which is the true church that belongs to Christ and the true Christians.
I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling here, I'm just stating my stand regarding this matter. Peace to all! God bless. :-)
@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
26 May 09
"This was led away from the true faith by the false prophets who arose in the Church after the time of the Apostles."
You know, today it just hit me. After viewing this video on Youtube about this woman from Westboro Baptist Church on Fox News:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ns-kPDVXACE
...whenever I think of fundamentalism, or even DOGMA (accepting a belief as authoritative even without proof; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dogma), it's essentially the same as this:
They're putting words into God's/religion's mouth!
One thing's for sure: even if they did exist, the REAL Christ, Mohammed and other deities would never support what she and other dogma-powered fundies would say. As a matter of fact, if they DID come back, the first thing they'd do is sue their butts in court for libel and slander! Real religions would NEVER support those same dogma-powered fundies either as they're ruining the good name of religions EVERYWHERE!
@clorissa123 (4926)
• United States
24 May 09
Well, let's start with common sense and what we believe in real religion. What Bible really teaches you, and what the God's word really say about the responsibility of one's action. Does religion guide people to persecute other people? Does religion accomodate another one's belief? I thought Jesus only guide people to peaceful act, and peace among all others, no matter how different we are. Whether or not Christianity was guilty on its crime or not, it is all about how people really interpret its teachings.
@beamsey (425)
• Philippines
23 May 09
I'm a non-practicing Roman Catholic. Christianity is indeed guilty of a lot of crimes. You don't need all those links to tell you those. Theology classes are there for a reason. But the thing is, there's a reason why Christianity survived for so long. What Christians believe in are based on facts, maybe not all of what we believe in but the most basic are. They may not be cold hard facts but there's got to be truth in there somewhere.
It's so easy to debunk religions. All you need are a couple of facts to convince people that there's no such thing as this or that religion. But the reason 10% of you is doubtful shows you something more than facts. Religion is something more than facts. It's about faith. It's about believing in something that may or may not be true.
All religions have a bad side to them. If you look hard enough, you will find them. You can change religions if you don't want to be a part of one religion because you found a few bad stuff about it. But where's the faith in that?
When you see the bad side and after much thought, still be able to believe, then that's when you can say you're a real Christian.
This is a very interesting discussion, by the way. :)
@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
23 May 09
Thanks for your comment, although i'm actually both saddened and pissed off that if religion and Christianity hadn't created what i'd call a "Second Atlantis", if these atrocities of religion didn't happen and all of the libraries, including Alexandria's, weren't burned to the ground taking all of the books with it, if they hadn't shut down the good stuff like the Roman baths, then perhaps either the Greeks or Romans would've invented electricity before Benjamin Franklin did, and we could've been Michio Kaku's Type-2 or even a Type-3 civilization by now, and we would've actually be MyLotting on Saturn by now on a space-based internet.
@karpatzio (106)
• Israel
23 May 09
I don't blame religion for all wrongdoings, just a lot of them.
If a person kills another, I primarily blame that person for doing the killing. However, there's usually more than enough blame to go around.
If a Christian man kills his family because his church made him fear that Satan was somehow turning them against him, I think the church has some blame. Even if the man was borderline and might have killed his family anyway, the church's emotional prodding can push him over the top.
As for atheists killing in the name of atheism, I'm sure it happens, but I don't think it happens much. Atheism is just a lack of a belief. It's not egged on by leaders using indoctrination tactics to keep the "flock" together. Atheists tend to be more grounded in reason, logic and evidence.
Religion, on the other hand, relies almost solely on emotional tactics to make the person more needy and dependent on the church. It starts its harsh indoctrination on children at an early age and uses various carrots and sticks to force people to become dependent on the religion.
As they say, good people tend to do good things. Bad people tend to do bad things. But to get good people to do bad things takes religion.
@kdmlrys (398)
• United States
23 May 09
"But to get good people to do bad things takes religion."
I don't really know what you meant about the above sentence, but I think it's the other way around. One of the essences of religion is to encourage people to live a good life. "To get good people do bad things takes religion" sounded almost like an insult for some people.
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@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
24 May 09
Hi DuoMaxwell, A very interesting discussion, thanks for posting. There are many who claim that Jesus Christ did not exist but there are also those who say it doesn't matter because the teachings of Christ are still good. You may be interested in reading, The Pagan Christ by Tom Harper, an Anglican priest from Canada who did extensive research in the area before writing the book. I think most people would agree that there is little written about Jesus except what we have in the Bible. Personally I believe that Jesus existed mainly because I find it difficult to believe that a religion such as Christianity could be based on a fictitious figure in history. As for the terrible acts committed in the name of Christ, these are there for anyone to read and believe me they were awful, certainly as bad as anything the Muslims have done. Many of the Popes were probably more political than they were religious and had more power than most kings. Although I believe that it's likely that Christ existed, I think that the Bible was changed to give the churches power over the masses. Christ would never have condoned what the church leaders did in the middle ages just as he would never condone what is happening in many churches today, such as the persecution of homosexuals. I am certain that if the churches had the power that they had a few hundred years ago, gays and lesbians would be burnt at the stake, and I'm not just speaking of the Roman Catholic church, just spend some time reading about the Salem witch trials in the US. If you read the Bible you can easily see that it can't all be true, also you can find the truth if you look for it. The teachings of Christ especially that found in the Sermon on the Mount are among the best teachings the world has ever known. I wish to point out here that the Roman Catholic church of today realizes fully that these actions were wrong but also that they were a part of the thinking of that day. Also some of the early leaders of the Protestant church were not as Saintly as many would have us believe. If you still believe in a God, you can give him thanks that none of the churches have such power today. Blessings.
@sulynsi (2671)
• Canada
26 May 09
I don't know what this person says. I don't have high-speed, so the references would take me a year and a day to read and I've got a really sore shoulder today! (can't hunch over the computer much longer!)
The fact that religious organizations, both those that call themselves Christians and those that don't, are responsible for many terrible atrocities, doesn't make it a foregone conclusion that Jesus never existed.
If these ones that brought terrible things on their fellow man really believed in Christ, they wouldn't have done any of it.
Jesus refused to take political power. He refused to allow others to take up arms to save him from capture by the Jewish religious leaders.
False religion IS up for destruction. The Scriptures tell us so plainly. When the Israelites, who were supposed to be following the God of the Bible, started acting like the nations around them, bloodthirsty, corrupt, they were eventually kicked out of their homeland and exiled into Babylon.
If religion behaves contrary to the principles in the Bible, is God any less likely to call them to account for their involvement in bloodshed and corruption?
