We "Deadbeats" are in danger!
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31634)
United States
May 23, 2009 1:52pm CST
That's what credit card companies call people like me who pay off their balances in full each month. Not only that, we have cards that give us cash back and have no annual fees. Essentially, the credit card companies are paying us to use the card.
I read this morning that the new credit card laws will allow companies to get back at us "deadbeats" by charging annual fees. It wouldn't bother me at all to go back to my debit card or pay cash but if I didn't have a credit card, how would I be able to travel, get plane tickets, rent a car, take care of emergency situations?
I'm stumped. I don't want to pay an annual fee but if this all comes to pass, I may have to retain one card with an annual fee. Maybe I can charge enough to get the fee repaid through cashback rewards, but I think those will quickly become a thing of the past.
What about you? Will you dump all your cards rather than pay the fees?
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13 responses
@elitess (5070)
• Ipswich, England
23 May 09
Hi there Dragon Lady. I have a debit card and i have 0 fees because i am a student. I have a 9% interest at the moment so most likely i would kill any credit cards (if i had any) if they suddenly decided to charge me for their services.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
23 May 09
The interest is how they lure you in and keep you in debt. Charging $700 will take you 8.33 years to pay off at the minimum payments and you'll be paying $554 in interest! Pretty expensive. Debit cards are the wise way to spend and I hope you keep to them instead of getting a credit card. I only use charge cards for the cash back, I never carry a balance they can charge interest on. My free ride is about to end, though, as they get wise to the fact that they are actually paying me a fee to use the card!
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
23 May 09
I don't pay fees and I don't pay interest. If a card has an annual fee, I don't use it. If they charge interest - no grace period - I don't use it. At one point in my life I had to pay fees and interest, but that's a thing of the past. I also only use credit cards that pay cash back rewards - none of this saving up points to buy a sleeping bag...
If my card starting charging me a fee, I'd probably use it if the fee was less than what I was getting in cash back rewards. Last year my cash back rewards was over $400, and so far this year I'm over $200. We put EVERYTHING on the card to get the cash back, then pay it off at the end of the month.
I don't know why you couldn't use your debit card for travel though... Most places take it just like a credit card. And you can tell them "credit" so you don't have to put in your PIN or pay a transaction fee.
I doubt if 2 of my credit cards will charge a fee, I have them through credit unions. My other one, a Discover card may start charging, but then I'll just use my other cards.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
23 May 09
Good point, I forgot about my credit union Visa! I guess I'll be safe, after all, I just have to get the limit upped.
I had to pay fees and interest once upon a time, too, but swore never again and I haven't. Like you, I make them pay me to use it! I tried to rent a car once with my debit card but they wouldn't accept it. Bummer. There are ways around that, though, with a little creativity and planning.
I'd hate to lose all the cash back I get. I rarely buy anything that's not on sale or that I don't absolutely need. Gas gets me the most cash rewards.
Like you, I'll look for one with no fee. If I can't get cash back rewards, at least I won't pay a fee, that's just silly.
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@reinydawn (11643)
• United States
24 May 09
I've never really used my debit card for buying things so I'm not sure how that would work. I thought they were pretty much the same. That's a bummer though...
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
24 May 09
I have a cash back bank credit card and a points Store Mastercard and I do not have to pay any fees. But then I live in Canada. the trouble is that Mastercard and Visa are international and I do not know when they will do this. I guess that will mean using my debit card, but what will happen if they decide to charge an annual fee for debit cards as well? Will we go back to carrying cash and checks in our purses and risk getting konked on the head by robbers?
I guess our idea of deadbeat and the credit cards idea are miles off in right field.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
24 May 09
Oh they will never learn. The trouble is that Obama believes all that garbage about the poor single black woman and because of past wrongs, we responsible people have to be punished for it. I do not want to go back to writing checks for everything and I do not want to keep cash in my purse and risk some robber konking me over the head. I get airmiles from my debit card, but not that much. So far that law has not happened in Canada and I hope the credit companies here do not.
Maybe you should all write to your congressmen, Obama, and let him know that you are sick and tired of being punished for those idiots who do not know how to manage their money. I mean all we out of the States can do is to write petitions.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 May 09
Yes, their idea of "deadbeat" is anyone they can't make a lot of money from! I guess a lot of us will go back to cash and checks and debit and if they begin charging for debit cards-which I've heard some rumblings about-I'll drop my debit card, too. It's a shame that we're in this situation--people who couldn't wait to have their goodies and didn't care how much they cost are the big offenders who have put us here. I hope they learn something from all this.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 May 09
If we would all throw out our credit cards, think of the effects! We could bring them to their knees and dictate our own terms!
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@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
23 May 09
I am with you on that one. we pay off our credit cards every month and will be faced with this dilemma as well. I guess we will stop using our credit cards for as much as we do, we pay for all our groceries etc, heck I never have cash, I just use one credit card all the time and nothing else. It is easier for us to manage our money that way, but if they are going to charge me 50 to 100 a year to do that then I will come up with something other way to pay for things.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
23 May 09
I kind of wondered when it would end. After all, it's not very good business on their part! But it surely will be inconvenient when traveling, not that I do all that much traveling but it's nice to be independent. I'll have to wait till they make their move and see if I can turn it to my advantage somehow!
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@anday0108 (628)
• Philippines
24 May 09
I am too is a deadbeat, I pay my balances full in each month. But here in the Philippines, all credit cards have annual fees. It would be nice if we don't have to pay the annual fees but sadly we do pay annual fees here. Sometimes, I will just call my credit card company and ask them to waive my fees.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 May 09
Sometimes it works to ask them to waive their fees but when they have no competition it can be difficult to get a break. As long as you pay off your balance each month, the convenience may be worth the annual fee.
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@polachicago (18716)
• United States
29 May 09
i only use my banking card to pay for travel, tickets and everything.
In general I prefer to use cash, because this way I spend less.
For bigger purchase I use my banking card and it is accepted everywhere....
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 May 09
Cash is a very good way to limit your spending! I used to do that and would still do it if I wasn't making money from using my cards. I treat the card purchases as debits so there are no nasty surprises, and I get money back from using it. If they were to stop that, I'd do as you do and use cash!
@queenlove (495)
• United States
24 May 09
Since my credit is horrible, I am stuck with a card that has a high interest rate and a 50.00 a year annual fee. When they sent me the card, it had a 250.00 credit limit but only 70 was available after all of the fees that they took out, but it is all I can get with my credit.
I am going to try to keep all of my payments on time and use it to better my credit rating.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 May 09
I hope you pay off the balance every month? That bull they give you about making payments improving your credit is just that--Bull! They want you to pay interest. Don't fall into that trap. If you buy a $700 item and pay just the minimum amount, you'll end up paying at least $554 in interest and it'll take you 8.3 years to pay it off!! That's how they make their money. Don't fall for it. If you have, get out from under ASAP. Make extra payments, even $5 a month, towards the principle.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
26 May 09
I've never believed in credit cards because the word truly scares me: credit. It means more money out than money in.. But just in case I'm in the kind of situation you have depicted, I would rather dump all the cards than pay the fees. But that's just me. I think there are some people using credit cards because they need to dine with clients and stuff like that and they know how to keep their spending at a minimal. But I feel that annual fees are really real bummer.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
29 May 09
I think that's a very interesting concept, and it's so awesome that it's working out for you. I might have to look into that, because I'm kind of stuck in the middle. I'm a heavy spender (tend to be) and I'm scared I'll just splurge the credit away for I can't discipline myself...
And another thing is that I have this blur factor of only wanting to buy items in full payment. Something like cash and carry, except for bike and car. But I like your concept there, would work for those that can control their 'urge' of spending..unlike me..
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
29 May 09
I used to be scared of "credit", too. But if I can get a card with no annual fee and with cash-back rewards, they are paying me to use the card! As long as I pay it off every month in full and never carry a balance, I'm building a good credit reputation, managing my money well and making money.
You keep being scared of credit, though. It's not a good thing because people eventually succumb to the temptation of buying something they can't afford--because they'll "only" have to pay $10-20 a month to have it. They don't realize those low payments go on for years and they end up paying nearly twice the asking price! You just keep being sensible!
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
24 May 09
We are only down to one card for the family, and one card for my business. I would be very upset if I had to pay a monthly fee, because I know that even though we pay the card off every month the credit card company still gets paid a percentage of everything I purchase using it. They are still making money off of people like us. They don't need to charge us an annual fee that is terrible. I would be very upset if I had to pay an annual fee for my business card because that is another expense to my small business and I already have enough expenses. Bad enough the postal rates just went up. I can't believe with all the people in debt and with the interest rates that the credit card companies are not already raking it in.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 May 09
There just isn't enough money for them, it seems. Credit Card Companies have gotten used to huge profits and, like the rest of us, are just going to have to adjust their expectations as people realize what a rip-off credit is. I never understood buying on credit in the first place, taking years to pay off a set of furniture or a boat or ATV.
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@Jezebella (1446)
• United States
1 Jun 09
that is horrible. It is like punishing you for being a good consumer and paying your bills and what not. I don't like that idea at all. I wouldn't want to pay an annual fee either, that's just rediculous (sp).
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
3 Jun 09
The United States turned into a nation of consumers, deliberately, in the 40's, and it doesn't know how to change. So this is part of trying to preserve that type of economy. I don't think we'll ever have a healthy economy until we get back to the economic attitudes of the early 1900's--save for what you want, if you don't have the money you don't need it, family is more important than things and financial independence is something to be proud of while depending on any government program is a disgrace to the family.
@jesssp (2712)
• Canada
2 Jun 09
I pay a small annual fee on my most used card so I get twice the Airmiles so I'm willing to pay that but I would cancel all my other cards. I really only need the one. I was waiting for this to happen actually, it does make sense from their point of view. Oh well, I'm still happy to be a "deadbeat"!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
3 Jun 09
I didn't choose airmiles because of all the ripoffs the airlines are doing lately because of the economy. They've always been kind of squirrely, anyway, changing the rules and stuff. But I know it works well for many people. I'm proud to call you a "deadbeat"!