Has Internet changed your definition of friendship?

@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
June 1, 2009 1:30am CST
Before the advancement of Internet, we used to make friends from social circles. We make friends with people whom we can talk face to face, and spent many evenings talking to friends using our phone. Sometimes we would call our friends, just to hear their voices. With the Internet, friendship no longer means talking on the phone. We make cyber friends in the online games, discussion forums, we share our frustration in life, and talk easily with people whom we will never meet face to face. Certain gamers are closer to each other, and sharing secrets with cyber friends become easier than to talk with face to face with colleagues and people they meet on daily basis. Even with the friends that we known for long, long time, we might not spend hours talking on the phone, our communication mode changes with Internet, skype and sms. Texting friends become the norm. We learn to detect mood according to the text messaging, and not by voice. Do you think that Internet has changed your definition of friendship? Do you count cyber friends as your friends? Do you find that revealing yourself to cyber friends is easier than to talk to people you can see everyday?
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19 responses
• United States
2 Jun 09
I do count cyber friends as friends because they are people that I could talk to and that might try to help when I have a problem and I would be there to talk and to try to help them. I do find revealing my self to cyber frinds easier than to people I can see because I'm a little shy to talk to people face to face. Internet has actually help me to conect with friends and family that do not live in the same State or Country and also to make new cyber friends. Because now in days is really expensive to make phone calls to another country and the cell phone planes are also expensive. And with internet you can comunicate with your friends and family and you don't have to pay more since you already are paying for internet.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Desteny, glad to hear that you share the same sentiment as me. Talking to cyber-friends is easier than talking to people face to face. Even in mylot, we can choose to reply or not to reply to any discussion, but in face to face meeting, hard to find tactful words in conversation. Agree that talking on phone is expensive, and need our friends to be free at the same time, so that conversation can carry on.
• Philippines
1 Jun 09
Hmm..Not exactly but I am glad that I've meet new friends online and though they are just my cyber friends I could say that I consider them as a friend because you know by participating in some forums you've got to share your opinions and vice-versa and sometimes it's good that way though you've never seen personally still you will feel that they were sincere though. I am not fond of chatting with other people but I am very fond of participating in some forums like here on mylot because I've got to show the other side of me. Sometimes, you got to share and consult some of your dilemma online without revealing your true identity and the good thing is those cyber friends on the forum/s response the right way so you get good advice/s.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Cuteyanna, I agree that sometimes sharing with cyber friends without revealing our identity is good, especially when we are frustrated with our boss, and can't share the frustrations with our colleagues (not knowing whether the words will get back to our bosses). It's easier to start a discussion in Internet, than to strike a conversation with stranger in real life too.
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@justinus (1104)
• Karawaci, Indonesia
2 Jun 09
Yes of course. Even I met friend from other country face to face after we were online chating for several months. FOrtunately I have occasion to visit her country for ten days due to my work/duty. It was very nice event more than our usual friendhip relationship we got on earth ! only we can not go on further because or some limittions. Goor morning Singapore, I come from Jakarta, Indonesia, your neighbour country. sie sie for your good topic.
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@justinus (1104)
• Karawaci, Indonesia
2 Jun 09
Yes agree, we can not justify others by their physical performance only through internet and made us more better and objective. Yes Indonesia was at not stable primarily at the time Suharto falled and some years later, but now situation is going better, there was no discrimination rap and run amok, just regular demonstration due to we are still learning in new democratic country. Actually I dont know eather whether todays is better or not compared to Suharto era, but global recesion is commonly reason argued by most government officials. I guarantee you will safe now if you visit Indonesia, dont worry we have very much chinese descent over here and I have my own family got married with chinese descent too. Ok, thanks for your good topic, see you.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jun 09
Hi Justinus, Indonesia is really very near to Singapore, just a boat ride less than an hour, maybe I should go for a day trip to Batam, and another day trip to Bintan. Actually minus all the instability and natural diasters, Indonesia is a beautiful place, with natural forests and beautiful beaches.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Justinus, despite Indonesia being a neighboring country, I have not visited your country. And actually, I do not have much desire to visit your country. After the fall of Suharto, Indonesia loses the kind of political stability. Hopefully, your country can regain the financial and political stability once enjoyed. Sometimes the benefit of Internet is that, we do not judge our cyber friends by their looks, but by the quality of their thoughts and communication skill.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
1 Jun 09
I do count my cyber friends as friends. I care what happens to them and think of them often as I do my friends in the physical world. That's the beauty of the internet, we can meet and care about people all over the world who we many never meet but can share so much with.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
2 Jun 09
I'm muddling through my recovery, it's slow but it'll be fine eventually. I think it's wonderful that we can "talk" to so many people. I've learned so much! Many countries and cultures that I used to fear have been revealed in their truth and I now see things to admire and like. What an education I've received through making internet friends!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Dragon54u, you are a very nice person. Hardly anyone will inform cyberfriends when they are recovering from an operation, and not able to spend time online. How are you getting on now? Without the Internet, I would never know of your existence on Earth, much less to get to know you. Agree that Internet is wonderful, lettting us share opinions, experiences and cultural thoughts from a few thousand miles away.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jun 09
Hi Dragon54u, fortunately you are able to use computer while recovering from the operation. It's more interesting than staying at the TV screen or read whole day. Internet is great tool to learn about other cultures, especially when you are able to read in two different languages. One of these days, I have to learn to type in Chinese faster, so that I can communicate with people from mainland China, and Taiwan. Right now using the only method of Chinese typing, it's too slow to be of use.
@nzalheart (2338)
• India
1 Jun 09
Hi Scheng! Yes, sometimes it is easy to share the things easy to the internet friends that in the friends in the real life. I think I have written many many things there that I haven't even tell to the real friends in life. I don't have a particular online friend to whom I have tell most part of the life. For me, still I have the friend beyond internet to whom I can share most of the things. But the trend is that most of the people tend to make online friends nowadays. Not only international friends, but also some people want to start the friendship from the online. Here, I have seen many boys and girls starting their friendship online and slowly as they know each other they meet each other and even there are some cases that the relationship that finally turns into love. I think the guys who feel odd to talk to the girls and vice versa prefer this method very much to start a relation. I think the meaning of friendship remains the same, but the way of making friends remains different with the online friends. People also have different life other than the online life. They have their social life too, where they still have lots of friends. However with the internet, I think people have definitely started making less social friends than before. Well I have not played online games, but I used to be a crazy game player. It would really be interesting be make the friends in the online gaming world I think. Because they are mostly with common interest and so can be nice friend of each other to enjoy online enjoy. And in case, if they met in the real life, then again their prime discussion will be the same game, isn't it.... Nice discussion Scheng, Happy mylotting...
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@nzalheart (2338)
• India
2 Jun 09
Yes, there are few people who have got internet service in their home. But still they go in cyber to have a chat. Specially the teenage boys and girls. As my name is Angel(girls also have this name), many people teenage boys think that it is the email id of a girl and come to talk this and that. Then I would talk and talk and finally say that I am not a girl hehe. There are many many people who are searching for starting a relation ship via internet. Good for the shy people hehe...
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jun 09
haha Nzal, you are very naughty! I think you break a lot of hearts when they found that you are a guy, not a gal. Actually it's good that having a personal computer is not common in your country, and I doubt you can stay in Internet cafe till late at night. In Singapore, the broadband access penetration rate is one of the highest in the world. Even McDonalds and other eating places have wireless service, for people to surf Internet using their laptop. Almost every family with school going kids have at least a computer, most have more than one computer, and parents do not know how long their kids stay online.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Nzalheart, it's surprising that Internet has changed the life of people in your country, when most people do not have internet access. In Singapore, the trend of socializing through Internet and mobile phone is very prominent. Most families have a few computers and laptops at home. Even in my family, we have 2 laptops and 1 desktop. It's the norm that parents have their computers at home and office, and kids have their own computers in the room. Most parents do not know that their kids make so many friends online, and pouring out their hearts to cyberfriends. And yes, I agree that people are making less social friends, and more cyber-friends. And people who are shy in real life, are quite willing to share their opinions in cyberworld.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
1 Jun 09
Nope, not one bit. My definition of friendship is just as it always has been based on how casual or not my connections are with other people. I am hardly going to be close with someone I do not actually interract with face to face on a regular basis. It is going through experiences with people that creates bonds.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Canellita, you are very selective and conservative in your definition of friendship. I guess you and others who share the same sentiment are not likely to use online dating service or develop romantic relationship through the Internet. Sometimes face to face interaction is misleading. Even colleagues whom we see everyday for past few years are really unknown to us, outside the office environment.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jun 09
haha Canellita, I think all the guys in the East will run away when you approach them, and ask if they are single. I think those conservative Muslim in Middle East will escort you to the airport, and bar you from entering the country again! Over here, many middle aged men holding blue collar jobs selected wives from Vietnam, basically "buy wife" to start a family. These are the ones who do not use computer, hardly know how to write, not able to converse in English, and holding low income jobs that local women will not consider. Some of the them do produce very beautiful children.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
2 Jun 09
Well, colleagues are not friends and they are not meant to be. On most jobs, when we are at work we are there to perform tasks and provide services for which we are compensated. It is not a casual or social environment though many people try to treat it as such. Becoming to familiar on the job can cause problems and even lead to a person no longer being employed. As to the internet dating, I have tried it at different times and found it not to be very productive. It is time consuming and costly and there are not enough quality candidates to choose from. You are matched via computer not by a person who has met you and understood what you are looking for. Frankly I think I could do a better job than most matchmaking services just by walking up to people and asking them if they are single and looking and matching them up. Of course they would have to pass a background check first.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
1 Jun 09
Hi Scheng! Good topic. Internet has definitely changed the term'friendship' for me and I definitely find it much easier to communicate with friends here[my friends are all mostly mylot friends with whom I exchange select chats and mails-- Very few though in number. Moreover,in this place where I relocated three years ago, I do not have real friends.I have a language barrier and the people[by and large] in my compound are very old people with whom I do not have much in common and I have to converse in hindi for easy conversation.That is a big problem and I sseem to have a bias in learning it fast and communicating with these people[they do not share my intersts too]I ahev learnt typing and also MS word aftrer I came here but this hindi is something uninteresting.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
haha Kalav, maybe the only common topic and interest you share with all these old people is "rat". Other than that, I can't think of any common interests you have with them. Fortunately you are able to meet up with people in mylot, else you have to keep on talking about "rats" with those old people.
• Philippines
1 Jun 09
No, friendship for me is still about getting to know andhaving fun with that person when ever you two or the group feels like it. Internet is just another technology that allows you to communicate with your friends in far away places but never rely in getting to know the person through the internet because it's dangerous..
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Mikaela, actually it is dangerous to trust people without getting to know them and to verify the information they provided, even people that we can see and call by names are sometimes not what they claim to be. Actually there are more people falling victims to people whom they can see, rather than cyber-friends. Many abuse cases (spouse abuse, children abuse, abuse of aging parents) are committed by people within the same family. Sometimes we do not know that our colleague (who appear shy and quiet) was abusing his family member, till police came.
• Philippines
1 Jun 09
Actually it doesn't changed anything at all. In fact , meeting new people around the globe through internet and finding new friends is just more options to gain more friends. Friends for me does not mean that he/she have to be there physically. Even if you can't touch and see the person but the essence of friendship is still there. When we find new friends here on the internet we can still feel their presence by being there emotionally, spiritually eventhough not in physical. We shouldn't set conditions as to who our friends are. Maybe there are times that we could find real and true friends online than in person. It's the thoughts that counts between friends . As long as they are there ready to talk when you need them, as long they are willing to help you in some other way they can when you are down, i think that's friends.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Narvzgarrison, I like your comment on friendship, especially the part that "Even if you can't touch and see the person but the essence of friendship is still there" Sometimes people we see everyday for many years, are not friends. We do not know what they are thinking, even though we see them every day. But many cyber-friends are real, in that they reveal their care and concern for us through the Internet.
• India
1 Jun 09
Yes internet somewhat changed the definition of friendship because through internet we can chat with friends and even contact them easily when they are online instead of visiting them to their house
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jun 09
Hi Pranavalwar, I notice the difference too. Meeting friends online or using text messaging on mobile phone are the norm, instead of face to face meeting and long hours chatting on the phone. Sometimes talking to cyber-friends from other parts of the world is eaiser than to talk to colleagues, because we know that our cyberfriends will not gossip about us to our bosses or other colleagues.
• China
2 Jun 09
I found a turth recently, people around me like talking their secret to the friend through internet, but never talking their secret to the people near them. A strange thing, but, me too, that is I do the same thing. Because they are never face to face, they don't know, who is on the other side of the internet, people can talk the secret the strangers. That is good.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Sophia, that is very true. I also find it easier to share some secrets (usually bad things about bosses or colleagues) to cyber-friends. Since they are not in the same country, working in same company, the secret will be safe.
@Vickiq (52)
• United States
1 Jun 09
For me the internet has not changed the definition of friendship. A friend is somone with whom you have, usually common interests and have formed a mutual bond of affection and esteem. I don't think that has changed with friends in the "real world". The advancement of technology has only enhanced the ways in which friends are able to communicate. True friends, still talk on the phone, see and vist with each other whenever possible. It has enabled friends that have moved away, to remain "in touch" and still share in each other's lives more easily and economically. As far as "cyber" friends go. I think most of the people met over the internet, through whatever venue, it is a matter more of aquaintances than friendships. However, through other communities, I have indeed made "friends" with people I would never have met otherwise. The freindships have usually started by noting that, through written posts on communities, that there is a common belief or interest. That leads to communicating via emails and sharing more personal information about our families, lives and the events that go on in our lives. In the course of things pictures of ourselves and of our familes are exchanged as it is nice to have a visual. In turn that has led to a sharing of phone numbers in which we often call and talk to each other, at length. I value their friendship as much as those that I can actually see everyday. I don't find revealing myself any less hard or easy, whether they be "cyber" or ones I can see everyday.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Vickiq, I like your definition of friendship. But I think that "talk on the phone" is becoming less and less common among friends. See and visit each other is becoming less common with younger generation too. Even if they do meet up (like a group of gamers) in Internet Cafe, they are as likely to face the computers than to sit and chat. I noticed that many youngers in my country, are texting their friends more, and calling each other lesser. Some youngsters can text more than 2 thousands messages a day. Even parents text their kids, instead of calling to talk to them. Most people do not call their cyber-friends, especially when international calls are so expensive, and time zone difference makes it impossible to fit a time for talking. However, I agree with you that cyber-friends can become close friends, even though the mode of communication is different.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
2 Jun 09
Hi Vickiq, am I correct to say that you are not living in big cities? The phenomenal of using texting, and Internet to communicate is very prominent in cities. Everywhere you turn, you see folks carrying laptop, and texting with mobile phones. In Singapore, many families, especially those with tertiery educated paretns, have a few computers at home, and everyone has mobile phones. Even kids as young as ten years old are holding their own mobile phones to communicate with their friends. In mass rapid transit (MRT) trains, you can see people using mobile phones to text, rather than to talk. Sometimes it's weird to see young couples texting separately, instead of talking to each other, even though they practically glue physically together.
@Vickiq (52)
• United States
2 Jun 09
You may very well be right, scheng1 about talking on the phone giving way to texting. In my area we don't have many internet-cafes that I am aware of and most of the younger people I know that have cell phones are under 18 and, while they do text they do call each other frequently get together with their friends whenever possible. I know when my 16 year old granddaughter spends the weekend with us, she will call one or two of her friends on my cordless and talk so long that the battery needs charging afterward! LOL She also brings her cell I another community that I am a member of the subject of texting came up. Some didn't like it and some said they often used it to send short messages to adult children who live far off as it is cheaper for them than calling. Others said that they will use it when they need to tell their spouse something when they can't recieve calls on their cells at work. It also comes in handy when asking hubby to stop by the store to bring a few things home. He can't claim he couldn't remember all that was wanted as it's on the text! LOL On the calling of cyber-friends I agree that expense and time zone differences are a major factor. In my case, I have not yet had the priviledge to make a cyber-friend outside of the U.S., so all my calls are made nationally. With the plan I have with my phone service (not cell) it enables me to call and talk at length very cheaply. BTW, Thanks for the response to mine. Take Care
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• United States
3 Jun 09
I can't say it has I'm bearly getting use to this internet stuff and how to use a computer. I know it may sound weird but I'm bearly getting to use a computer before I had my wife or my oldest kid writing my emails and also they use to looks thing for me online. Until my wife got tired and told me that I had to learn so she stoped doing thing for me and now they are trying to teach me. And about having cyber friends well I don't have any that I chat to in messangers or anything like that. I guess the only friends I have are hear are myLot.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
3 Jun 09
Hi Juan, welcome to mylot. You sound like a caveman emerging from the cave to the modern world. Hope you learn to use Internet, and have fun with it. Many people who cannot use Powerpoint or Excel or other application are good at playing online game. The bond between gamers is strong. Some are so hooked to the game that they could play for hours and hours, talking to gamers more than talking to their family members. I guess it's good that you learn, so that you can know what your kid is talking about.
@denisewy (90)
• Philippines
1 Jun 09
Honestly, I don't have any cyber friends. I still prefer my highschool friends. I meet with them, text them, and I call them. I only accept my known friends in my social networking sites. I do make friends in the internet but i'm n0t disclosing my secrets to them but ofcourse. . . it still depends. Hey if you have some time, answer my questi0ns too. thanks
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jun 09
Hi Denisewy, that's very conservative view of friendship. In a sense, it is good, because you get to see them face to face, and develop social skills. Many gamers who have many cyber friends are very quiet and withdrawn in real life. Outside of Internet, most of them do not have any outdoor activity, and no friend to talk to.
@kellys3ps (3723)
• United States
7 Jun 09
I think the internet has definately changed my definition of friendship. Because of the internet I have many friends whom I have never met face to face.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
7 Jun 09
Hi kellys3ps, I think most people familiar with Internet accepts that cyberfriends are friends too. Before Internet and email, the only way to make friends with people whom we never meet is by writing letters, and send by snail mail. Hard to imagine doing it now. It's more convenient to join discussion forum and make friends through Internet.
@veejay19 (3589)
• India
1 Jun 09
I am still new to the internet ,if you can call 3 years as new. The only friends i have on cyberspace are those on Mylot but i cannot call it real friendship since we are all shadow friends. We do not even know how each other looks and we do not know our real names.This friendship is more or less a business friendship where we help each other to earn. I am old fashioned as far as friendship is concerned and still value the friends i made during my school, college and working days because we know each other on a personal level and can interact by meeting or talking on the phone.New methods will keep coming in the future but i stand by the old and proven method.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jun 09
haha Veejay, you are really old fashioned in your definition of friendship. There are some people who hold the same viewpoint you do. One reporter wrote of her reluctance to join online discussion fourms and Facebook, twitter and whatever social networking. She said that the "friend" in cyberspace is different from "friend" whom she can go for tea with. Actually minus the appearance, we do get to know people online, probably more intimately than we know our colleagues. Here, people are open in sharing their frustration with children, but our colleagues in office are not willing to share that, beyond telling us that they have 2 naughty kids.
@daliaj (5674)
• India
1 Jun 09
Yes, of course. It makes a big difference. If internet where not there I would not have been able to find my husband. We met through online and got married four months ago. Internet helped us to make contacts with people across globe in an easy and inexpensive way. I can't think of a life without using internet.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jun 09
Wow Daliaj, congratulations! Glad to hear that Internet has made such a positive change in your life. To a certain extent, I like to make friends over the Internet, because we are not clouded by the appearances of our cyber-friends. We judge them accordingly to the depth of their comments, and not by their appearances. Even in online games, it is very easy to pick out those kids from the working adults.
@med889 (5941)
1 Jun 09
It is not like this. I have friends in my surroundings but I make friends online because I want to learn the different cultures and languages. I am learning chinese and I don't have any friends who talk chinese here in Britain so I have some who are from mylot itself and who teach me chinese. I get to know their cultures also, and we share informations of our country to let them know hoe we are here. I have friend from India who told me many things I did not know so to have friends online is something wonderful. We are not being distant with the one we have around but we are learning something which we can share with friends here. If I visit their country I know a bit over there, they can br honest in suggesting you some very good hotels of some fabulous shopping malls, so we are only learning through them. We can socialize with people around the world too by internet so I think it is a very good initiative.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
1 Jun 09
Hi Med889, I have found that making cyber friends do widen my knowledge and understanding of different culture. I have learnt from the discussions in mylot, and from my game pals in various online games. However, the mode of communication definitely change. I remember those days when I talked with friend on the phone, often in half asleep mode, one holding the phone, and the other hand hugging the pillow. Now, nobody wants to do that, everyone resorts to email, text messaging and discussion forum. The face to face meeting, and long hours of talking on the phone has lessen.
@divkris (1156)
• India
1 Jun 09
You are right but there is a word iwas introduced while making friends on the internet - acquaintance which means a relationship less intimate than friendship. So, whenever you make a friend on the net (which means you have not personally me tthe person but share similar thoughts) then you and this new person are into "acquaintanceship" and not exactly friendship! Happy MyLotting :)