Helium's new upfront policy to go into effect next month

United States
June 10, 2009 11:01pm CST
I am floored by the fact that Helium, who started upfront payments just a short time ago has already changed the policy. You will now only be able to earn an upfront payment if you are one of the first five writers to the title. I am all for competition and that's one of the things I like about the site. But this is beyond competition. It is a slap in the face to those of us who volunteer our time there to make the site better. We were able to earn a lot of extra cash with the uprfront payments but the new policy will make it much more difficult because it will take longer to find titles that you want to write to. I will now longer be able to keep a spreadsheet of titles I can write to for upfront because by the time I get to it, more than five people will have written to it. Have you all seen this change and how do you feel about it?
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9 responses
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
Not to sound like a sour grape, but there are just so many changes in Helium that I dislike that I totally stop writing for the site. It is a great site, I believe for others, but personally, I have sour feelings for it.
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
I agree, and that's partly why I left after cashing out my first and I think only $25 minimum payout there. Because I wasn't active too, took me around a year, I think. It's not really about the money, but they keep changing this and that, that each time I get a newsletter, I just don't bother to read anymore. But kudos to all whom have put in efforts, for I can never say they have wasted time totally. It's to each his own.
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
12 Jun 09
You are right, my friend.. It's best to focus those efforts in sites like mylot. Have a nice day.
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• United States
11 Jun 09
I have made quite a bit of money there, but I don't want to put in anymore effort than I already have to it. I have already spent enough time there. Thank you for you input, I appreciate the responses!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
Hi Ddhawkins, this will not work. I hope within a few months, the management of Helium will wake up. By forcing people to write to articles with 5 or fewer titles will hurt the writing score very much. In a title with 5 articles, the first article is obviously 100%, the second article is 80%, and the third article is 60%. Unless a writer can consistently make it to the top 2, the writing score will spiral downhill. The worst being the first person to write to an empty title that will become popular. Usually the first writer will drop to the last ranking. I'm not happy with the changes as well. I think I will concentrate on niche topic till they change the payment for upfront again. Actually I would prefer that they pay higher upfront, and demand exclusive rights. In this case, Helium benefits and we, writers, can earn more.
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• United States
11 Jun 09
I think you have hit on the key to this madness...everyone's score lowers, therefore Helium has less to pay out. Bingo!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
Hi Ddhawkins, since you have more than 800 articles in Helium, and Helium does not require exclusive rights to the articles, you can actually repost all the 800 articles in AC for display only. At least you can earn upfront payment for both sites. It's fortunate that you stay in US, for us international writers, Helium is the only one that pays upfront and does not require exclusive rights.
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• United States
11 Jun 09
Those are interesting observations. The site obviously is looking for ways not to pay the writers. I liken it to an office telling 100 of it's employees that only the first five to clock in will get paid. Can you imagine what would happen in the real world if they pulled such nonesense?
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@AnythngArt (3302)
• United States
11 Jun 09
I was quite surprised to see this myself. I am probably less effected than a lot of people because I like to write to more obscure titles in the art and literature sections. I think it's discouraging to people to change the rules, however, and I can understand how many people would not be happy with the result. I'm guessing that they are doing this to help fill in on those titles that have just a single article. It's hard enough to find empty titles these days, I think...do you have trouble with that as much as I do? I've got a lot of writing invested in Helium, but I've started to do more over at Associated Content these days. And I keep meaning to try Daily Article, but never seem to have the time.
• United States
11 Jun 09
Sorry, that should be "affected."
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
I've heard so many good things about AC. Too bad there are no upfront payments opportunity for me yet. Would love to try it out though. Perhaps sometime I will.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jun 09
Hi AnythngArt, I do not spend time hunting for empty titles. It's a waste of my time. So I create empty titles and write to them, in this way, I save time, and able to create a lot of empty titles that will not be popular, so I can ward off the competition. Not many people can read Chinese, and translate the information into English, so that's a niche area for me. I think after the change, I will concentrate on empty titles. If worse come to worse, I write book reviews for those free books available on Project Gutenberg. I'm sure there will be exodus of writers from Helium, and they will change policy again. Certain titles, how to save money, how to lose weight, are popular titles and money spinners, I doubt Helium can afford to lose writers who are mainly writing for those topics. I think I will write to those very competitive titles, to up the writing score first. In a title with 100 articles, even if I landed on the top 15, the writing score is still higher than the 75% required for writing star.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
11 Jun 09
I thought forcing people to rate to get paid for their own work was enough of a cheap shot.
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• United States
11 Jun 09
So true. I used to love Helium but it seems to be turning far too corporate. I didn't mind the rating thing so much because I did that anyway but this is a real blow to the many writers who spend a great deal of time on the site volunteering services and writing hundreds of articles. I believe this has sealed the deal for me though. I will be looking for other ventures where I know what to expect at least. At Helium, they change things too much. It's okay to grow, but don't stomp on our heads while you do it.
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@paid2write (5201)
12 Jun 09
I won't know how the change will affect me until I see my earnings for July, but I am quite excited by the change. I shall look forward to seeing how the system actually works after the 25th. I think the new system does make Helium more competitive, but Helium has always been a competitive site for writers. Writing for Helium is challenging. This time last year there was no such thing as an upfront payment, all we got was revenue share. Starred writers and raters could get additional payments from rewardathon articles and a small monthly stimulus bonus. I hope this will generate a lot more good new titles to write to. Daily earnings could be even better from writing to smaller topics and newer titles, even if there are more than 5 articles before I submit mine.
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• United States
12 Jun 09
Hi Paid, I was almost convinced to give it a try even though I have my doubts about the limit. Five is far too low and besides, other things happened that turned my stomach yesterday that not everyone is aware of and I won't put it here. Helium has been a great place for me. I started out doing it as a hobby. If I didn't do it for a living it might be doable and I might even be as excited as others are about it. Not everyone is excited about the new changes. I have found other sites that will definitely pay much better and I can relax much more. I have stuck with Helium for one main reason. I liked the communication that went on there between the members and staff. That kind of communication doesn't exist anymore so there is no point in me staying totally loyal to it. I hope that the new way will be good for the rest of you that stay. There are several of us who have already sought ought and found ways to make more money without having to rush to a title in order to make the upfront. It isn't likely that I could be convinced to keep Helium as my main site if I truly feel as though I have been treated poorly and at this point, I have been and well. there is just no point. I really don't want to put the site down. It has been a great place for me and also allowed me to free myself from the confines of a corporate office. That will no longer be possible for me so I have to branch out much more. The best of luck to you with the new system. Have a great day!
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@jlamela (4898)
• Philippines
11 Jun 09
Since last month I cannot log in anymore to Helium, I don't know why. Its policy is confusing because members are compel to comment and rate, which I hated.
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• United States
12 Jun 09
Yes, alot of people don't like doing the rating. That part didn't bother me because it gave me a chance to see what quality others were writing. It also gave me ideas on new topics. But others feel as you do and prefer not to have to do it.
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• United States
11 Jun 09
Well, they changed the rating star requirement, but it still stands in other areas so it doesn't matter. You don't have to have a writing star to earn anymore but you still have to have one to qualify for upfronts. You can't win, they get it all while they take away from the writers. I feel like I was kicked in the stomach. Thanks for your response, it's appreciated.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
11 Jun 09
I don't care for having to rate others. If I could choose the type of articles to rate it would be easier, I suppose. I find it diffcult to be objective when the subject matter is not interesting to me or I disagree with the content. Plus, the artistic writing is not worth as much...and I feel it should be as worthy as all other categories.
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@Randync (544)
• United States
15 Jun 09
Helium pretty much sucks, I never really got into them much. Seems like too much work for not enough gain. Indexing sucks at Associatedcontent but you get paid when you DO get hits. You also don't have to jump through hoops to advance in their ratings.
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@Randync (544)
• United States
15 Jun 09
I am simple minded, ask anyone that knows me. I like a site that you post an article, promote it a bit and get paid.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
15 Jun 09
Randync, actually the upfront payment for AC is not that great, since AC pays only for exclusive rights. Helium does not require exclusive rights, the upfront is more like an incentive. Some of my articles do better in AC than Helium, in terms of page views bonus. Both sites seem to attract different kind of readers. Some Helium writers can make big money through winning Contest, and write to Marketplace. These are the features that AC does not have at the moment.
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• United States
15 Jun 09
I think that Helium doesn't "pretty much suck" at all. I just can't make the money that I need to there. I have earned a great deal of money from Helium, much more that it is possible to earn here at mylot. It doesn't really feel like that much work to me, or hasn't in the past. But with the new changes, yes, it will be far too much work for the money. I can make much more on other writing sites to worry about plodding around Helium trying to find the titles that will pay out the most.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
13 Jun 09
How I feel is this, I recently went through the empty titles and realized there were a lot of titles I could write to if I had the time (some require a little research) and be able to be the first because no one was interested in them. There are some titles I have seen sitting there for weeks and weeks like the last one I wrote to (movies for people who hate Valentines Day). When I first signed up at helium it was a little frustratring figuring it out and getting the hang of it. Once I started to earn it got a little exciting, but hte amounts haven't been significant enough to make an impact in my monthly budget. I look at helium as something I can build up to that will provide me with a little pocket change each month down the road once I get enough articles posted on topics people are actually inrerested in reading about or actively researching. The upfront payments are great, but unless there are going to be hundreds of titles for me to write to (I am still the only one in all the ones I wrote to first) and I can do at least two a day, the few little dollars upfront payments would bring in ($5 so far plus the rating bonus) are not that much for me to get emotional over one way or another. As far as your situation goes, I would say diversify. I have seen some very interesting articles from different perspectives of what to do and not do when submitting articles to helium and some of it has been helpful, but it really comes down to whether you are trying to write to titles in all channels and maximize your income or whether you are a niche writer who only focuses on certain kinds of articles. I am still learning the lay of the land at helium and I really hope to see it build to something, but I am not holding my breath.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
14 Jun 09
Hi Canellita, this is to answer your question about why a large number of articles can drag down writing score. There are a few reasons. First is that, when you submit to empty title, the ranking is 1/1. When a few more persons add on the articles, your article, being the first article will drop the rank. Because those other writers can spot your weak points, and make their articles better than you. So your ranking becomes 7/8, that is a writing score of only 25%. If you have more than 200 articles, and you dont leapfrog regularly, the average writing score will drop when new articles are added. Assuming you write to a title with 19 articles, your is the 20th, and rank 5/20. Another few writers add to the articles, and the final ranking becomes 15/30. Even though the number of articles behind you is still 15, the writing score drops drastically, from 80% to 55% It's very hard to maintain writing score above 75% without frequent leapfrogging. Only those article rank at 1/200 never seems to drop anywhere.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
14 Jun 09
I guess I just haven't been involved there enough to get this. Empty title thing. If I submit an article to an empty title, how do 4 other people get an upfront payment for submitting articles to a title that is no longer empty? Is this something to do with making a title competitive? I saw where there have to be three or more articles for a title to be competitive and I wrote a couple articles to titles that only had one or two articles last month thinking that was the only way I would finally start to get paid. Does this mean that I received some form of upfront for those as well as the empty titles I wrote to? Some empty titles are so simple to write to that I barely have to think about them. I would much rather create an article about something that interests me and submit it for upfront payment but I felt like I had already started something at helium that I needed to follow through with. All this talk about upfronts and such just confuses me.
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• United States
13 Jun 09
There are many titles that are empty. There are other problems though. That will cause a sudden rush of everyone trying to beat each other out to the good titles. The ones that I have been able to find have actually been ones that are absolutely horrible titles that hold no interest for me. I have to be interested and well versed in something to really enjoy writing to it. For those of us who do freelance for a living, we don't have the time to continually search through titles each day. There is far more to it than simply well, you can find these titles if you want to. It's about being able to do it efficiently and this system doesn't allow for that. If I were doing this as a hobby or just for fun, it wouldn't bother me. However, in my case, and the cases of large amounts of other writers to the site, that isn't going to be viable. If the work is going to take that long, I may as well go to a site that pays a much larger amount of money. This new rule doesn't affect a large portion of the community. It does affect a large amount of freelancers though. It's like a company of 200,000 employees tells them that the first five people will be the only ones to get paid. I know we aren't employees of the site, but we do contribute a huge amount of time to keep the site working well.
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@lokisdad (4226)
• United States
14 Jan 16
That would probably bother me a little but it pushes you to be more creative and original you won't see as many post titled the same probably which is a good thing