Do you look BAD in God's eyes---You Sinner????
By bird123
@bird123 (10643)
United States
June 19, 2009 9:22pm CST
And so a perfect God creates a big beautiful universe in a BANG! Wait a minute, this perfect God screwed up! He created nothing except a bunch of SINNERS! Well, I guess even God can screw up. Is it really a screw up? In order to really learn, we all must have freedom of choice. OK, now I'm free to screw up and sin but aren't we all sinners?? How can a perfect God screw up so badly??? A Being who can create universes has got to be very very smart. Perhaps, we miss the point. When times are good, we sit back and enjoy the ride. When adversity hits, we have to think,plan,study,analyze, and grow in so many ways along the journey. When we use our freedom of choice to sin or screw up, aren't there always adverse consequences that teach us??? Hmmm?? Sounds like the perfect teaching tool to me. God counts on sin, screwing up and the consequences of our actions. When we see the consequences, we rethink our actions, knowing to act the same will bring the same results. The school of Hard Knocks has always been the best teacher. So sinning and screwing up are God's perfect, hands on teaching method. SUDDENLY YOU DON'T LOOK SO BAD!!! You are a child of God so you are special! Deep down, you have a heart of gold but sometimes you just need to see what it is that you are really doing. When you truly understand and see, you will make the right choices. God is unconditional love. God loves all His children. In God's eyes, we are the perfect little children learning and growing with the perfect teaching method. We are all eternal. Though hard lessons can hurt, IT HAS NEVER BEEN ABOUT PUNISHMENT!! It's about LOVE AND LEARNING!! I've come a long way and learned a lot. I don't screw up very often but, you know, sometimes you just have to be a little STINKER!! God is really going to love my next great big screw up! Just think how smart I am going to be after that!! Don't ever worry. If God can create universes, what are a few wayward kids??? NO PROBLEM AT ALL!!! What do you think??
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@clutterbug (1051)
• United States
20 Jun 09
Hi bird123, This reminds me of Mark 2:17, "Those who are well have no need of a physician, but those who are sick. I did not come to call the righteous, but sinners, to repentance." thank you
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
Hmmm???? So there are sinless, perfect people out there???? Perfect learning people perhaps. Righteous and not righteous???? Perhaps just an excuse to claim some as better than others. Can't go along with that one. It has a degree of ego and hate in it. Thanks for the comments.
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@Beertjie (976)
• South Africa
20 Jun 09
I believe in the truth of this Scripture. Jesus did not come to call the righteous, because there is none that is righteous. All are sinners in need of a Saviour, all are sick and in need of a physician. Show me a person who has never been sick his whole life, then also show me a person who has never sinned, except Jesus.
We all go to the same school, some just decide to learn easier than others. Those who learn the lesson the first time, can go on to the next, those who fail have to write the test again. Life is full of excamples.
Great stuff.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
You are right about learning lessons. If a lesson is not learned, you just get more lessons. God will teach all His children regardless of our choices no matter how long it takes. As for needing saving, what do we need saving from? God will teach us all the secrets of the universe including great wisdom. We of course are eternal. God has already done it all.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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21 Jun 09
Why is there sin? Is it a screw up? No it is a perfect teaching tool just like you said. How many times will I stick my hand in a fire before I learn it only hurts me? Free will, only with free will can we learn as a race that there are consequences to our actions, but we are a mad insane race, we keep doing the same things expecting different results. It will take a near extinction to shake us up out of our coma, all religions basically teach the same things, but still we haven't learned that religions draw megalomaniacs to them, and the more maniacal they are the further up in the power echelons they rise until they are place over us and teach us hate. Only man sets a trap, bates it and then walks into it.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
22 Jun 09
One classroom with many levels. We are all meant to teach as well. You also need someone who needs to learn around you in order to teach them. Yes, man is a stubborn lot. We sometimes need the same lessons over again. Worry not. We have eternity. So it does seem like this world needs you. The dynamics of all the interactions are amazing. Don't forget the large dose of unconditional love as you teach. Thanks for the comments.
@efc872 (1077)
• Jamaica
20 Jun 09
Hi bird, there was once a deacon who tried to get me in his choir at church. He passed away a few years ago and should be in heaven by now. Funnily one Sunday evening he asked me what is the sweetest thing in life, not wanting to tell him what I thought I begged him to tell me what it was. He replied saying that it was sin. I then told him that since he had enjoyed himself over the years it was only fair that I was allowed to enjoy myself also.
But on a serious note, sin is a requirement that religion needs. Without sin there would be no need for a place like hell and without a place like hell there would be no fear. It is this fear that religion uses to control the congregation and since God is invisible in church it is the the man on the pulpit that is in control. If you believe what he tells you, you are at his mercy and can control even what happens in your private bedroom.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
VERY GOOD!! If religion can not find anything wrong with you then you don't need them. If you will not believe, the next step is to scare you into believing. They also tell you never to question which only keeps the truth from you. You are to convert the masses because in doing so you repeat their teachings over and over. The more a person hears something the more real it becomes whether it is true or not. So the real answer is that WE ARE ALL MEANT TO THINK!!!! GOD IS UNCONDITIONAL LOVE!! HE LOVES US TO QUESTION!! GOD HAS NOTHING TO HIDE!!!!GOD LIKE ALL PARENTS WANTS US TO BE ABLE TO STAND ON OUR OWN TWO FEET! Thanks for your comments!!
@fizanali (478)
• Pakistan
20 Jun 09
So it means the more you sin the more you learn,the more wise you become ?
Then next time if someone kills your brother or rapes your daughter don't fell bad about it because he is just a sweet child of God trying to learn more ! (Please don't mind it because it's just an example)
Q: How do you know God gives only love and no punishment ?
Q: Where do you take your concept of God from ? How do you know He exists ?
Q: How can someone who has killed 6 million people (Hitler) learn from his mistakes (sins) when he goes on killing Jews on after the other ? How will justice be done to him ?
Q: The person who does less sin learns the least !?
Q: Why do you make you own assumptions at what God is like ? Why not see what God tells about himself ?
Everyone in this world is not the same and does not feel the same way as you. Ask those innocent people who lost their children when their houses were bombed while they were peacefully sleeping. And also ask those who consider themselves God and take pleasure in torturing other humans.
I agree that God is all loving that he created all of us, we do learn from our mistakes , we do suffer consequences in this world But that is not the full story.
God is also Just and the Creator, the Ruler, the King of everything there is He is not just like a parent to us.
Every religion says that God is merciful, loving But every religion also has the concept of Hell and punishment for the sinners. Why do you only take the first concept and not the second one ?
I take my concept of God and everything from the Holy Quran which is the word God himself tells us. You may want to believe that religion has clouded my thinking But that is only a thing you 'want' to believe and not the reality as is your concept of God.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
What happens when you hate???? Hate comes back to you. God has the wisdom to know this. The only real answer is unconditional love. God loves unconditionally. It is love to show your children just what they are doing. By allowing you total freedom of choice, you learn freely from your own selections. I can look out in the world and see the hate the cruelty the crimes. Lessons that no doubt are returning to some so that they might understand. For the rest of us, it is just a reminder of what the right choices are. God is very very smart. He is above the petty needs of man to control to rule to dominate. Man does indeed have a lot to learn.Lessons which will truly return for how can we know what the right choices are unless we realize just what it is we are doing. Now about religions, people read religious books like the bible or in your case the Quran. You can read about someone but in order to really know that being to have to put the books down and go see for yourself. I find very few willing to do this. Religious books are written by man no matter what you believe. God allows this because it is the free will of man and there are a millions lessons to be learned around religion and none of them about God. Thanks for all your comments. I hope this helps you see.
@fizanali (478)
• Pakistan
22 Jun 09
Look there is one wrong assumption that people make i.e that I believe in the Holy Quran without proof of it's divine origin But I being a logical and scientific don't tend to believe in something blindly. I believe in the Holy Quran as being the word of God because I have lots of proof to it, it can't be man mad BUT that's another long discussion.
God cannot do injustice to anyone. If a person like Hitler kills someone that God will not forgive Hitler until that person who he killed forgives him that is God's justice.
If God becomes all forgiving and gives no punishment to a person who sinned then he would be doing injustice to those who did not sin. If he gives the one who rapes and the one who was raped the same heaven with no punishment then it is injustice to the one who was raped.
You must have seen smugglers they lead a luxurious and wealthy life and cause misery to thousands of others and then they die in that same state, so what lesson did they learn ? When they would have hurt one person it should have come back to them and they should have stopped but NO they keep on doing till they've hurts thousands or millions and themselves lead a first class life.
Q: Now what lessons are they to learn in the next life ?
Q: According to you what is the next life like ?
Q: What was the use of creating this mortal life ?
Q: Why shouldn't or wouldn't God punish such persons ?
God does not put us in Hell, we put ourselves in Hell. God created us and He created Heaven and Hell and He gave us with freedom of choice, now He did all that isn't that unconditional love ! if you choose to go to Hell then it's totally your choice. God never said that He didn't create Hell nor did He say that the sinners won't be punished.
It's a lot different thinking about a situation and experiencing it.
@fizanali (478)
• Pakistan
29 Jun 09
You say I don't get the whole picture of God and this game He is playing. In
fact you are being ignorant in this regard.
God's actions are without purpose (plz try to grasp this concept):
You said God created the earth to sustain life BUT is that a motive? God could have created anything else to sustain life then why did he create the earth only ? You may say He had to create something but that doesn't answer the 'why', we could even ask why he created life at all !
Similarly you may say he created the eyes to see BUT WHY ? why did he even want to create sight ?!
You can ask so many questions like why did He give us this body form why not any other ? Why does He love us? Why does He educate us?
You keep on asking and every time you will conclude that 'only God knows' i.e He does what He wants because He needs NOTHING !
After that let me say that what if someone comes and says;
God only gives punishment no matter what you do !
Another person says God has made no next life and we vanish after this one !
Another may say we become angels, devils or stars after we die !
Similarly you may get many ideas BUT which one would you believe ?
We have to know where the idea came from and it's authenticity.
In your case : you say that man is interfering with my thought BUT what's the source of your thoughts ? Aren't you a man ! or are these thoughts divine in origin ?
And still your going on assumptions that every one learns from their sins with no proof in fact proof contrary to your idea is available.
You say that people learn at different rates whereas almost all (95 %) of the rapists don't learn at all !
In fact you can see people increase their number of sins rather than learning from them ! hence they are going the opposite direction to your idea e.g
A person first kills one guy after few months kills two guys then after few months kills four guys !
So is he learning at a different rate (in this life) or is he not learning at all ?
@pamfloyd51 (136)
• United States
20 Jun 09
God cannot screw up!!!!!!!! we r the ones who screw up. The Bible is a roadmap to heaven & we have to study it everyday & do our best to do what it says. God luvs us so much that He gave us a will. He wants people to serve him that want to. it is up to us. it is a shame that America does not stand up for God. people don't have any morals anymore, etc. i cannot beleive how TV has changed & how people don't serve God like they used too. if u r not born again & stayed prayed up & packed up every day u live u r going to miss God & end up in hell. the choice is ours. God does luv uncondionally, but also He is a God of wrath. He chastizes those that He luvs.
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@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
Seems like religion has clouded your mind. Perhaps, you should question it more. God is so much more than you can find in any one book!!!! We are meant to think. Perhaps, it would help if you looked for the good in people. USA is the great melting pot in this world though there are problems, it is the best country on this planet. Thanks for the comments. P.S. God is unconditional love!! It is not about punishment. Stop punishing people and yourself!
@arleena (13)
• Grenada
21 Jun 09
Well to my point everybody does sin right but if u sin for the spit and u continue to sin god will get fed up but he will forgive u still and when judgment day comes u will judge for every idleness u did and every idle word that came out from your mouth. so my friend try to keep away from sin and keep and doing what god wants u to do for him for u know god is a jealous god so u know my friend don't do anything like in putting relationship infront of god because he will take something from u u loves the most so keep and praising his name never give up on him cause he loves u alot and he will never fail u ok and god is a loving and caring god for he loves us and he will never leave us ok my friend (BIRD) hope u have a good day 2morrow
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
21 Jun 09
How little you really understand God. Is God wrathful, jealous, judgemental, condemning?? Think now!!!!! Doesn't that really describe MAN???? Why would God even need to judge you? Everything you do will come back to you in time. When you see what you are really doing and what it means, you will make the right choices. After all, it is the only intelligent thing to do. Even if you are stubborn, all you get is different parameters and more lessons. God loves all His children unconditionally. Kiddies will be schooled in wisdom as well. Thanks for the comments.
@Beertjie (976)
• South Africa
20 Jun 09
Oh I love this post of yours... well done. For those who only read the first part and then comment, or get upset, sorry, you are missing a lot here. Bird, you have just given a great new insight into the flaws of man and the greatness of God, bless you.
Oh, what a mighty God we serve. I am not looking forward to my next screw up, but I can't wait to see how much I will be changed for the better after the consequences has settled and I have learned my lesson.
I have always hated school, but hey, today I can read and write, and even do maths because of shcool. Learning is not always pleasant, but it is nesesary.
Bless you.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
20 Jun 09
With religion, it's not always easy to seperate God from man parts. People also see only what they want to see. To discover truth one must be open to knowledge. I can see you are not only open but are wise to be able to see God without all the controls man tries to put on people. God always has the truth out there but it is up to us to discover. Perhaps a test of intelligence. Thanks for your comments. Maybe others will see as well. God is unconditional love and what that really means.
@janette2009 (168)
• United States
24 Jun 09
You're the first person, I've noticed, in a while that believes in a "relationship" with God. A true relationship with the One true God. Not just service and sacrifice. Though He does love those who seek His face and serve Him. Once you fall in love with Him all of those things will come natural, but its human nature to mess up. God enjoys us in our weaknesses. Only He can see and judge the heart of man. He loves that we "try" our best. He loves the sincerity in our hearts! He created us to love Him. Just like a good earthly father loves a child (notice I said good), that's how much, even more, God loves His children. When we mess up, when we stray away, He is still right there waiting for us to return. The Prodigal Son is the parable that comes to mind. Though the son chose to go and do his own thing, when he returned, and his father saw him coming towards him, he ran to him, and embraced him. He didn't turn his back to him nor make himself distant!
God doesn't love us because He has to, He loves us because He chooses to :). He's a great God, one who is Holy and beautiful. There are no limits to His love for us.
Its best for all of us to have a true understanding / knowledge of His heart and of His personality!!! Not only that, but we should definitely know our identity in Christ.
:) Hope all of this made sense, lol.
@bird123 (10643)
• United States
25 Jun 09
All the mistakes and screw ups that people try so hard to avoid are a part of the system. No one acquires wisdom without them. God is a loving Father. He is smarter than most can imagine. That is why so few really UNDERSTAND!! The system is set up where no child is left behind. Education and knowledge solves all problems. Concepts of man that God is wrathful, condemning, jealous, ruling are all wrong. Words from people who do not know God. As far as Christ, Christ is not God. He is a child of God. Children of God can do some pretty amazing things. They can also make the angels cry. Free will can do that but without free will, nothing will be learned. We will all learn to love unconditionally. It will be our choice. We will learn in time that it is the only real choice. Thanks for your comments.
