What is Obama's endgame? Why is he a threat?

United States
June 27, 2009 9:11pm CST
I want to figure this out once and for all. I consider myself open to ideas and concepts so convince me that Obama is bad for America. I will advocate your position with you on this discussion if someone attacks you. I will keep my mind open. Is he planning to enslave us? Does he just want to control our lives with federal dollars? Is he planning to dispose of the Constitution? Does he just want to redistribute wealth to increase his popularity with the lower classes? Is he working alone, or is it an evil cabal? Is he planning to make us all bow down to Allah? Is he part of a Democrat conspiracy to destroy the Republican party and enforce all sorts of Socialist evil? I've heard alot. I'll bet you can't mention something so outrageous that I haven't heard it. Communism, Fascism, you name it. So tell me: what are we looking at next year, in 2 years, 4 years? What evil do you say Obama will do and why?
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Jun 09
I have, in a number of posts, listed a host of things that Bush did or continued, that Obama is now continuing or expanding and asked supporters of the new adminstration to defend them, I have yet to see anyone even attempt to do so. Well, here they are again, or at least a short version of the list. There are a number of other issues that emerge in details of these items and there are far more items than I have listed here. 1. Border patrol check points in the MIDDLE of states no where near an international border, stopping U.S. citizens in their daily travel. 2. Blackmailing and bribing states in to passing laws. 3. The Patriot Act 4. F.I.S.A. 5. T.A.R.P. 6. United States military perforing civilian police duties or training to do so 7. The abuse of the interstate commerce clause to circumvent the 9th and 10th amendments 8. The general trend of centralizing power and authority, removing it from the states and more towards the general government. I don't believe he is planning to instill shiria law, I don't believe he was born outside the u.s, I don't believe he is a communist, or much of the other stuff I sede floating around. What I do believe and is evidenced by his action is that he, along with his fellow party members as well as many members of his oposing party - the republicans, is working towards a goal of a very powerful central government, with the state governments as nothing more than federal satelites or "puppets". For someone who claims to be a constitutional scholar, he certainly seems pretty willing to ignore it except when it is convenient for him (hmm, sounds like the last guy we just got rid of)
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• United States
28 Jun 09
So your view of his problems is tied to both parties trying to diminish our freedoms and creating this giant government? This is probably the mildest of the endgames I've heard, and one of the few that bashes both parties equally. I really appreciate that. All the evidence I have seen suggests both parties do indeed wish to grow the role of the Federal government, no matter what the Far Right Republicans say. Number 7 is the monster: Interprettation of the interstate commerce clause has given the Federal government a great deal of power over the years.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
29 Jun 09
I supose on the surface it seems like a mild end-game, but when you really think about it, it is probably the most dangerous, because a) it is the most likely and realistic and b) it is the one that opens the door for "them" to do what ever they desire. I do in fact hold both parties responsable for all of this. When one begins to look at them and the whole picture from a step or two back....it is exactly the image that begins to emerge, on the larger more important scale, there is almost no difference between the two, both are equally dangerous. I would also agrea number 7 is probably the key, it was one of the few parts of the constitution I would have written a little differently, so there would have been no question or oportunity for abuse. You are going to see this incresingly used and abused unless states begin standing up for themselves and refusing compliance with laws that use this to usurp state's rights or unless states begin following Montana's lead in defining things in these terms themselves. For example, a bill they recently passed declares all fire arms produced in their state, stamped with made in Montana, and sold with in the state to state residents DO NOT qualify as interstate commerce and are therfor not subject to federal regulation. This is just one example and mybe not the best one, but it is a start in the right direction. To the rest of the country, 3rd parties are prefectly viable if we make them viable . Please, step back an look at the larger picture, stop seeing things through the whole false left/right paradigm the two dominating parties have sold us all, it is an illusion.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Jun 09
I think I'm going to have to reserve judgment until we hear from the main authorities on this subject because we know they are much more knowledgeable about what Obama and his group - whoever or whatever his group is - have as their ultimate goals. We KNOW the "plot" began long before Obama was even born. It was a sophisticated communist/socialist/fascist/Muslim/al Qaeda conspiracy to take over the world by having the yet to be born Barrack Hussein Obama one day become President of the United States. His 18 year old mother gave birth in Kenya or some other remote African village then rushed to get on a plane to Honolulu where she got everyone there to say her baby was born in Hawaii because she knew to become POTUS he had to claim he was a natural born U.S. citizen. Now that he's reached his first goal, to become President, I'm not sure what else he has in store for us but I'm pretty sure he intends to make us all speak Arabic or Farsi - something like that - by first making us all speak Spanish by allowing all the illegal immigrants come into the U.S. and take all of our benefits and jobs. He's going to make sure that no conservative babies will be allowed to be born, only liberals. I'm not positive what all will happen in the meantime but I'm pretty sure that by the end of Obama's legal terms of 8 years he will have taken over the entire world for life and there will be one world currency on which there will be an inscription that reads "In Barrack We Trust". Annie
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
28 Jun 09
You're right, where IS the anti-Christ gang? Also, I just realized this may all be for naught because the world is going to end in 2012, remember? The movie's coming out in November but we know it won't tell us the truth since it's made by evil Hollywood liberals. Annie
• United States
29 Jun 09
Yes, that fits. Obama only needs one term to destroy the world. I'm still bummed because this was supposed to be my year! This was my first year of eligibility for the office of President. I had the 2008 election marked on my calendar since I was 10! I CAN present a valid original birth certificate!
• United States
28 Jun 09
Where are all our conspiracy friends anyway? Do they think I set a trap here or something? You know one I haven't heard for awhile is the Anti-Christ connection. Somebody needs to reread Nostradamus and see how Obama fits in.
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@clutterbug (1051)
• United States
29 Jun 09
Disposable income is liberty and freedom to people of the U.S., and our government wants us to have less and less of it so that we can be controlled.
• United States
29 Jun 09
Less taxes mean more money and more money equals more freedom. Anyone who cares to can use their freedom to get more money to get more freedom. Everybody that is unable or not willing to work hard and make alot of money deserves to have less freedom, so we don't need the stupid government redistributing wealth. That would just cause us to be more equally free destroying our incentive to make alot of money.
• United States
28 Jun 09
i agree i thought obama was about change well show me somthing that has changed he been in the chair long enough so we can see jus a lil change in somthing to me its the same ol same ol everybody still broke we aint got no jobs no work cause its no money and we keep gettin in des debts for stuff the u.s dont even need all he care about is health care not saying its not important but we got bigger issues thats how i see it i love him for being the intelligent speaker dat he is and i support him 100% but somthing gotta give its a sahme when gas is like a bill we need change somthing that he promised and i dont care how long he been in the office were tired of waiting for nothing
• United States
28 Jun 09
Not enough change and not soon enough. Pretty simple.
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