Writing For eHow Isn't As Rewarding These Days, What Would You Do Here?

United States
June 29, 2009 1:54pm CST
I've been writing articles on eHow for a couple of months. At first I liked it. They pay very little, but I was simply writing for this and other web sites to get back into the swing of things, so to speak, with writing, since I used to be a fulltime freelance writer but got burned out with the work over time. Then I started to get paid, again very little, but money is money. So I kept writing for eHow. Then in early June I received an e-mail from eHow telling me that I had been chosen for a special earning opportunity, that if I wrote and submitted five how-to properly formatted articles between May 27th and May 31st they would be paying $25 for that work. The e-mail stated that they had never done this before and "if you do this then in early June you should see $25 being deposited to your Pay Pal account." That seemed easy enough. Their format is a how-to format, I had written several articles for them before this with no problem so I pushed myself to get some work done and submitted five how-to original articles, via their format, as requested, within the time specified. However, neither I nor any of the other eHow writers who participated in this "earning opportunity" ever got paid a dime for this, to date anyway. They may eventually pay it, but when I wrote to their customer service they at first said "Oh, that was a contest, check the contest forums" (although the original e-mail clearly stated that you could not enter any of these five submissions in an eHow contest) and so on. Finally, customer service admitted they didn't have anything to do with "this special earning opportunity" and I should write to the eHow rep who handles such things. I did and he basically said, "We're having to check to be sure all the articles submitted adhere to our guidelines and we're still reviewing the articles submitted." Never mind the original eHow e-mail basically said, write the how-to articles via the correct format and we'll pay you $25 by early June. Now suddenly, there is no pay and all the articles submitted via that special earning opportunity are "under review." And, of course, no one has been paid to date as promised for this work. And this morning I got an e-mail saying several of my eHow articles had been removed because they are "cleaning up the site." Of course, eHow prohibits spam, plagarism, etc., the usual stuff. However, I checked and none of my articles removed fits any of their forbidden criteria. Here's what I think is probably happening. Like most of these Internet writing sites, eHow only buys the right to publish and redistribute your work. You still own the rights to the articles and can post them elsewhere (and please don't write and tell me that you can't do that, you can legally...I've been a freelance writer for some 15 years and I know contract terms, and eHow even states in their guidelines that you can legally post the work elsewhere). I always make sure I use the same user i.d. on other web sites, so that the web sites in question will know that it is my original work. Here's what I think is happening. I think some eHow staffer is typing in the titles of my articles on the Internet and, of course, they're popping up elsewhere. Then, instead of bothering to check that I am the author of said work, this staffer is just marking it as plagarized because it shows up on the Internet, without bothering to check that the user i.d. is the same as the one on eHow, so they don't notice the work is my original work and not plagarized. Anyway, I used to like eHow, but now I'm beginning to get rather tired of their nonsense, to the point where I started just to go over and delete all my articles and simply close the account and forget it, period. On the other hand, I do tend to rake in about $10 to $20 a month from it (I only have about 50 articles on there) and money is money. Still, I hate working for web sites that do this to writers, especially when they make money off writers and then pay so little to writers. On the other hand, I can't say there aren't writers who don't make a good bit of money from eHow. I know a couple of them personally who do (although two of those same writers are furious right now because ehow removed a lot of their good pieces too and they can't see any reason for it either). Still, a lot of people like eHow. I used to be one of those people, but now not so much. What would you do here? I have the legitimate right to publish these articles elsewhere, eHow even outlines that clearly in their publishing guidelines, and I've been a professional writer for a very long time. I know all the ins and outs of copyright laws, etc., so I know I didn't do anything to break eHow rules. On the other hand, maybe I'm just reacting too harshly here. My first instinct is to simply close this account and be done with it, just due to these practices outlined above. On the other hand, maybe I would just be "cutting off my nose to sptie my face" as the old saying goes. Then, too, these web sites have helped me to hone my writing practice now so maybe I should quit these and get back to the practice or real writing now. I don't know that eHow, overall, is a bad site, but I don't like the way writers are getting treated there now. So I think staying with them for that little bit of money might be kind of hypocritcal on my part. On the other hand, our budget is tight these days and any money is welcome. Any thoughts as to what you would do here?
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@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
30 Jun 09
I'm so sorry this happened to you. Sometimes writing sites aren't predictable with their policies and all that. Or the way they handle things at a glance. So far I've been involved in Triond actively. The community isn't that bad and mostly anything that you write can go through their checks and being published unless there are lots of spelling errors and grammatical mistakes. However, I do agree that the earnings is pretty slow. But the site is steady and writers get to showcase their writings and share opinions, which I consider to be the best part of all. I agree that if you aren't satisfied with the current situation, it's best to withdraw participation unless you want to wait a bit more to see how it goes..
@zed_k4 (17589)
• Singapore
30 Jun 09
I wish you continuing success with your book. That is really awesome and being able to write for a book and looking for success with it is one of the joyful ways of being a writer. Good luck, my friend and have a great day mylotting..
• United States
30 Jun 09
Good morning zed_K4. Thanks for your good wishes. There are times like hitting your head against a brick wall only because it feels so good to stop (an old southern saying). Other times, the craft and art of writing itself is pure joy, a happiness that only other writers can truly understand.
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• United States
30 Jun 09
Hi, Thanks for your nice response. I had heard about Triond, but had forgotten about it. I've been working, albeit slowly, on a book lately, and I think I'm just going to take this thing with eHow as a sign that I need to get away from the web sites and start working harder on the book, since I like to think everything happens for a reason. It sounds like you're doing well on Triond. Congrats there and continued luck with that and all your writing. Have a great night.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
30 Jun 09
I agree with sierras236, too. I would leave your work there, but take a break from writing for them. You may decide to try again later, or you may not, but in the meantime, you'll be getting paid a little for your content. Since you've got your skills honed, maybe you're ready to look for something a little more challenging, anyway?
• United States
30 Jun 09
My thoughts exactly. I'll probably leave them eventually just on principle, since I hate it when writers are treated this way. However, I agree. I might as well get paid for the work already there before leaving. I think you're right too with the last part. I believe everything happens for a reason and it seems the signs are pointing more and more for me to get back to working on my book and to return now to the fulltime freelance career I once enjoyed, since writing is a joy for me again. At least I can thank these writing sites for that, for getting me back into the swing of things, so to speak. Thanks for your nice response. Have a great day.
• United States
7 Jul 09
Hi- Zahzel here. ehow deleted over 20 of my articles last week and did same thing as the money guy said. You go to my article title and the information is going to a ehow editor. -To make matters worse I wrote email and never heard a word back. -I have written over 250+ articles April thru July 2009. -Today - my best article I just put up 6/24/09 disappeared. I was making 3-4$ some days on it. -Any place else to post?
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
19 Sep 09
I write for a guy who gets the work and parcels it out to his writers. I always get paid. I could probably make more independently but I'm guaranteed payment and the work is steady. If you'd like to write for that person, approve my friend request and I'll send you his address. btw, I made the request before I saw that you were a writer. Do you do surveys, too? I can send you a list of the ones that really pay, I make about $20 a month with surveys. Too bad we're old, cos then we'd really make some good money with surveys!! They seem to want young women with children, preferably Hispanic, but we in our 50's can make some decent income, too.
• United States
19 Sep 09
Hi, I'll certainly go over and approve your friend request in a few minutes (I only have time to get on my lot a few times a month so sometimes I'm slow about approving friends). I'm glad you found an outlet for your writing, and I'm glad you have a job that steadily pays you for your work. I've gone back to regular marketing now and it seems to be working out okay. I have a true story about my grandmother coming out this October in Chicken Soup for the Soul, All in the Family book and Woman's World has had me rewrite a story 3 times (although they haven't said definitely they will take it, but it's nice they have asked for rewrites anyway instead of just totally rejecting). And there are several other replies, but no time to go into here. Glad I got back to my roots now, so to speak, so everything happens for a reason I guess. That's the really good thing about writing, doesn't really matter about your age. In fact, that can actually be a plus at times with some markets, not to mention all the life experience we can draw on now for our work. Good luck with your work. Always nice to hear from a fellow writer. (By the way, if you want to try writing for Chicken Soup for the Soul you go to their web site at www.chickensoupforthesoul.com and look at the themes of the upcoming books to see what material they are seeking and then you submit your work online via their web site and required format. If you don't hear from them in a month or so, they're not going to take it...they don't let you know or bother to send rejection slips. Still, if they do accept your work they reply relatively fast, but they don't pay until publication which can be several months down the line. However, they are good to work with and they pay fairly well at times.)
• United States
30 Jun 09
Hi windchimebooks: I hope you manage to get the money that you earned, that's just crazy what they are doing, Iv'e not logged into the site for a long time maybe I should huh? I only have a few things there but I wish I was earning what you are earning per month there is just always something going on in my life and I do well to make it here each month you know? But I do understand your frustration and concern, I think I would continue to write to them and get this matter dealt with, don't let them get away with it, sounds like they hired some sort of IDIOT out there to "check over the articles".. shame on them for that!! anyway good luck to you, I'm sorry all this is happening to you;
• United States
30 Jun 09
Hi, Thanks for your nice response. Yes, I've tried bugging them a few times but I just get a form letter reply or a brief return e-mail that doesn't answer my questions in any way. I think they are probably overwhelmed at present with a great number of e-mails from protesting writers, since they seem to have removed a lot of articles by other writers, who were making much more than I am, for no obvious reasons. If you do decide to write more for them, my only advice at this time would be to remain leery of putting too much effort into them at present, at least until these so-called "sweeps" die down or become more professional in approach than some staffer randomly deciding to delete this piece or that article with no explanation or recourse given. Take a look at the comment here where one very hard working writer, who helped this site to grow, suddenly had 100 of his articles deleted all at once, with no explanation, eliminating all that hard work and reducing his earning power there by a considerable amount. Given that I'm glad now personally that I haven't put that much effort into this site myself. Thanks for your nice response. Good luck with all your writing projects. Have a great day.
• Indonesia
31 Jul 09
That is a shame you submitted those articles and never got a dime, if I were you I wouldn't write for them anymore. I just joined today I hope they pay well for the article I submitted.Are you still earning revenue share for those articles? If you are it would be worth it to keep the account and not submit anymore but just earn on the ones already there.
• United States
31 Jul 09
Hi, I don't write for them anymore, but don't go strictly by me. I'm disappointed in them, for this and other reasons (I didn't like that they gave a "special earning opportunity" to earn $25, said those who participated would definitely be paid that in early June, and, to date, I don't know anyone who has received it...although some might have but there are still many complaints about that step). On the other hand, there are many many people who write for eHow who are very pleased with the service and what they make. This site seemed to have no problem paying for the articles that remained posted. It was just that sweeping motion to delete so much with no reason that I could see nor did they provide any explanation or potential resolution (I think they thought, because my articles have been published elsewhere and in printed publications, mine were plagarized, that they didn't bother to check to see that I was the legitimate author, they just punched in some keywords and assumed plagarism...a lot of other writers had that same problem). At any rate, one woman on here told me they let her later prove her article was hers and reinstated it. I never got more than a polite form reply when I asked that they check mine, they just kept saying there might have been mistakes made but it was necessary for cleaning up the site, but that has been a while so they may have changed their policy now. At any rate, chances are my eHow articles in question were deleted due to some worker there who didn't use much common sense in what articles should be deleted (I've seen some of the articles by the so-called editors at eHow, some are good but some are beyond terrible and those never get deleted). At any rate, I would say stick with them and form your own opinion later. I can't say they didn't pay monthly, it was never a large amount but they did seem to pay for that with no problem. It's just their other polices I don't like. However, because it's no longer right for me doesn't mean it won't work out for you. Never hurts to try new things, and then you can decide whether or not it's right for you. Good luck with your writing.
@TrvlArrngr (4045)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I had to prove an article was mine and they reviewed it a second time and then allowed it. I am glad they are checking - it helps those of us that write a lot online. Great post :)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Hi, That's great. I'm glad that worked for you. I asked them a couple of times if they made the same mistake with the articles of mine they deleted, but all I kept getting was pretty much a polite form response that said they were cleaning up the site and that was pretty much it. I did offer to prove the articles they deleted were mine (I've been a freelance writer for years and a lot of my material has been published in larger magazines, so it might be easy for them to think I had copied it, although I've been a professional writer long enough to know not to plagarize and wouldn't do so anyway...not only is it illegal it's simply immoral). No go, nothing but a polite response about cleaning up the site. So I'm glad that worked for you. Perhaps they're changing, but I don't write for them anymore due to this and other reasons. Glad it worked out for you. Keep up the good work.
@compumom (738)
• United States
30 Jun 09
I agree with sierras236. I would leave my articles there and collect the residual income. I started writing for them several months ago and was notified yesterday that 11 of my articles were being deleted. I hadn't placed any new content on the eHow site during the month of June and was surprised to receive the email about the deletions. After reviewing the articles, I agreed that most of them probably should have been deleted, however, one of them still has me stumped. I'm not losing any sleep over it since I'm still earning a couple hundred dollars a month from them. I was not privy to the $25 opportunity and am sorry that you weren't paid for your work. All in all I think eHow is still a good site, but as we all know, it's wise not to put too many eggs in the same basket. From time to time I'll write for eHow, but the latest 'clean sweep' has me thinking twice about putting too much effort into writing for them.
• United States
30 Jun 09
Thanks. I, too, agree with sierras236. Sounds by far the best solution to me. I agree that eHow isn't a bad site overall. I read somewhere they're getting ready to try to go international so maybe they're just growing too fast to handle the upheaval. However, the things they are doing now just make very little sense. I'm sorry your articles were deleted. I noticed they said next time they did this sweep they would say why articles were deleted, which would help. However, what happens if they claim plagarism when it isn't that and then give writers no recourse to officially protest such decisions? It's like they're not really thinking things through anymore. Congrats, though, on doing so well yourself with eHow. However, that's another thing I don't understand with them. You're earning a couple of hundred dollars with them and I'm earning around $10 to $20 per month. So obviously you understand the site, the use of keywords, article placement, etc., much better than myself. So why send me that special earning opportunity and not you, since you're obviously earning them more money and are one of their better producers? Makes no sense, but since no one got paid as promised I guess it doesn't really matter anyway. I sort of understand about having to review the articles in question to be sure these pieces fit their guidelines, but their original e-mail said "If you do this you will see $25 in your Pay Pal account by early June." It didn't say, "you will see this, pending review." That was like something they thought of later, and too late, for some odd reason. And it just seems now one department at eHow doesn't know what another department is doing (i.e...when I wrote to customer service about the lack of promised payment for the special earning opportunity, only to be origianlly told this special earning opportunity was a contest and then later received an e-mail from them saying they had no idea how this special opportunity was supposed to work and they didn't have anything to do with it). Oh well, like you said, you never put your eggs all in one basket. Then, too, I tend to think everything happens for a reason. I've written two chapters of a book and I keep putting off working on it further because, as we all know, writing, while a calling to most of us, is basically a lot of hard work without any definite financial payback a lot of the time. Bottom line, I'm going to have to finish the book before I can even try to sell it. So maybe this is a sign to quit these web sites, bite the bullet so to speak, and get back to the book. Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. I agree with you. After this last sweep of eHow's I'm not going to put anymore effort in that direction either. Thanks for your response.
@sierras236 (2739)
• United States
29 Jun 09
I would probably just leave the articles I already have on there alone. I don't think I would write anything "new" for them. I would just stick with the residual income, since the work has already been done. It is not right what they did. I guess the only solution is to keep emailing them. Make sure you include the original email and their TOS in your emails. Annoy them enough, and hopefully you will find someone on there that can help you. If this gets resolved, then take the money, your articles and close out your account.
• United States
30 Jun 09
Yes, I think you're right. In fact, I think that is the best solution overall. I don't think eHow is one of those crooked sites. They used to be fairly good, but they just seem to be growing faster than they can handle things and it just all seems a bit of a mess now. A lot of the things they seem to be doing lately just don't make that much sense and it just doesn't seem worth it to put that much more effort into their site. I think I'm going to take your advice here. Thanks.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
30 Jun 09
Hi Windchime, so sorry to hear that. It's very sad and disappointing when the writing site do not appreciate our hard work. Without opening the site to international writers, ehow cannot manage the existing pool of writers, I wonder what will happen when they open the floodgates. I wonder how ehow is going to deal with an article that has great earnings potential but bad grammar. Wonder if they would cut off the fat goose for the sake of some bad grammars?
• United States
30 Jun 09
Hi scheng1, Thanks for your nice response. I read somewhere that eHow does plan to go international soon, so only time will tell with that. You have a good point there (and nicely expressed with the phrase "cut off the fat goose"). That seems to be just what they are doing now, in my opinion, for different reasons. It's not that eHow is a bad site, overall. There are still a lot of good writers on there. However, when you randomly remove articles, along with all their hard work, of your better authors, for no obvious reason (and I'm not being egotistical here, there are many writers much more talented than I am on there and they are having the same thing happen to their work) then you weaken your site. I think eHow is literally in the process of "cutting off the fat goose" to an extent here, just because they aren't paying that much attention to what they are doing with these actions. That's my opinion anyway. Thanks for your answer here. Have a good night.