How did America go from Liberty & Abundance to Apathy & Dependency?

@debrakcarey (19887)
United States
July 3, 2009 10:04am CST
Edward Gibbon, in The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, offered five reasons why that great civilization withered and died. 1. The undermining of the dignity and sanctity of the home as the basis of society. 2. High taxes and the spending of public monies for free 'bread & circuses' for the populace. 3. The mad craze for pleasure & entertainment; sports becoming more brutal and more immoral. 4. The build-up of military when the real enemy was the decay of individual responsibility. 5. The decay of religious faith; faith fading to mere formality, losig touch with 'real' life. Alexander Tyler, in 1750- wrote that nations have a life cycle of about 200 years. They all follow a similar cycle: from bondage to spiritual faith; from spiritual faith to great courage; from courage to liberty; from liberty to abundance; from abundance to complacency; from complacency to apathy; from apathy to dependency; from dependency back again into bondage. Does America fit this cycle and pattern? Where is America in this cycle? Are the reasons above, cited by Edward Gibbons in the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire, applicable to the USA?
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• United States
3 Jul 09
I think that there are issues that aren't addressed such as: 1) The current youth are apathetic because they've never had to actually fight for or earn anything for themselves and as a result don't have a real stake in anything they own or the current political situation. Why should they care about anything? If it breaks, it's easy to replace (especially if a parent or relative is the one who replaces it). This feeds into a cycle of no consequences, no responsibility, no strong feelings one way or another. Remember that the poorest in the USA are better than the majority of the populations of many countries. People feel entitled because, well, they've been taught that they're entitled. 2) Laws and political systems get old and stale. The US has more than 230 years of laws dumped on top of the original documents leading to a lot of red tape and abuse of the original intent. As an aside, if I could go back in time and change one thing about the constitution I would put in a statute restricting laws to one page as anything longer than that is trying to bury things in mounds of paper that no one ever reads until it's too late. 3) I wouldn't tie religious faith in with this considering that the USA is one of the most religious of first world countries, not to mention that the most atheist countries are the ones with the lowest crime and highest happiness averages. Just a few points I thought that I'd throw in. Great discussion.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Jul 09
To me....faith is spiritual. It transends the mind and enters into the 'heart' of the matter. I have learned enough physics to understand that reality is NOT what it seems. And that some 'facts' of reality just have to be taken on faith. That to me is more than a set of man made rules or dogma. Both science and religion have been wrong on many counts...I trust my intuition and 'heart' to know what is real more than I do any man made or scientific source. That is not to say that I do not research facts and then think about what previous generations have 'learned', but that I do not accept it blindly. To me, the physical and the spiritual are often one and the same.
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• United States
4 Jul 09
I also agree that the constitution in and of itself is not stale, what I really was referring to was the extra laws that have been piled on top of it that also add needless clutter and pervert the original intent. Good point on religiosity versus spirituality, something that also allows con artists to use people for their own (generally not very good) ends.
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• United States
3 Jul 09
Wow! How incredibly well this describes the current situation in the US! Frightening, isn't it? My greatest concern in this context is that we might not learn enough from the crises we face now to improve conditions so we can move on in a better way. A lot of people assume the US will be a world leader for all time, but it's clearly not true. We must all work at getting things straightened out and improving our collective lives based on solid values.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Jul 09
What is described by Tyler is a circle...a cycle. I believe we must first taste humility as a people..to get back to our spiritual origins. I think the 'change' we should be looking for is within...not from without. Also the Native America Hopi tribe has a prophecy that we are entering into another phase or cycle of earth's lifespan, other tribes have similare teachings. The 2012 Mayan calender seems to be indicating this same thing. The book of Revelation in the Bible is the best known prophecy teaching that cataclysmic changes are at hand. I don't look for mankind to make improvments without some major motivation to do so.
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• United States
3 Jul 09
Getting out of the depths to which we've plunged already should be motivator enough!
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Jul 09
I agree. But unfortunately many more do not even see us as having a problem. They have stuck their heads in the sand or trusted in false teachers and leaders. I do fear for our country.
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@Destiny007 (5805)
• United States
3 Jul 09
I believe that Tyler was talking about democracy, not nations. As to where we are as a nation... we are on a downward cycle into bondage. We already have dependency, accompanied by an Entitlement Mentality. As a Republic, we have a decision to make. Are we going to be responsible for ourselves, or are we going to succumb to government dependency? Right now it appears that we are headed to dependency, which can only lead to bondage and the loss of our rights and liberty.... however, I do not believe that we will go without a fight. That is what the TEA Parties are all about.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
3 Jul 09
Thank you for being so diplomatic after we just discussed verifying information. lol Yes, democracy makes more sense as to what we're disussing here. I took this info from a book titled "Prophecy 20/20 by Dr. Chuck Missler. It is second hand. As for not going down without a fight...I don't believe it will be successful- as what Tyler was descibing here is a CIRCLE or cycle, one condition leading to the other. To regain our spiritual origins I believe we must expirence bondage once again. It seems to be human nature that prohibits us from learning to rely on our Creator until we suffer and are made humble. The verse from scriptue...if my people, which are called by my name, would humble themselves....come to mind. I don't see this happening without great suffering first.
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@gyramary (152)
• Italy
4 Jul 09
I guess most of the reasons about the decline of the Roman Empire could be applied to USA too ;)
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Jul 09
You see it too?...thanks!
@edelweiza (157)
• Philippines
4 Jul 09
very well said. those authors were genius. it affirms the saying the history repeats itself. i hope it doesn't happen to america, though. i hope it could be prevented, possibly by a change of heart. america symbolizes strength and power.it inspires a lot of countries, too.the "decay" will surely affect not just america but the whole world.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
5 Jul 09
The strength and power where evident when we served and obeyed God. It was HIS strength and power that the world saw. Now we in our pride and arrogance deny HIM and HE in turn will let us go our own way.
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