Oh what short memories Republicans have.

LOL, I agree with you on this one

I think you're 100% correct td

"Latrivia, I will remember your thoughts on this, and when Rush attacks Obama's kids (and everyone knows he will), then we will see if you follow through." Well, given that I hate Rush, am not a partisan apologist, and believe that the children of politicians should be left alone (regardless of whether or not they got preggers even though Mommy is pro-abstinence), you won't need to bother. See, some people can have standards without them being applied solely to one party.

Latrivia, I will remember your thoughts on this, and when Rush attacks Obama's kids (and everyone knows he will), then we will see if you follow through.

Poor sad old Rush...if he does..I'm sure he'll be the first to be given prolonged detention. :)

Sad it is but it is not new. Some may remember from history class the great public slandering campaigns of Jackson and John Quincy Adams. The issues were never even discussed and with time the facts became clear and many of the claims made by both sides were not only grossly false but damaging to the reputation of each. For example the Jackson camp claimed that Adams while in his first term provided an american vergin for the czar of Russia's pleasure. I think things are a little more tame now.

wow...where did you read that. I love to read history..and I've not seen that. Well...was the young lady willing? That would have been my first question. No...it's not tame now by any means....cause in our day and age...we have satellite pictures and video at ten! ;)

HOw sad that our political system is so low that we think that to be a candidate means that you are open to personal insults and attacks. I thought it was about public issues...when you entered politics? It has become a gladitorial event...let's see how low we can sink.

Yeah, his butt wouldn't step down even after he was proven to be a big fat liar! He wouldn't leave even though he was having relations with a girl who was close to the same age as his daughter. He wouldn't leave even though he was impeached! And when his term was up and he finally had to leave he and his crew trashed the White House! At least Clinton's daughter wasn't a baby with Down Syndrome. Yes, I've seen the left attack Palin's son, Trig. I've seen the left attack Laura Bush who has never done anything to anybody. They've called Barbara Bush a man. They attacked the Bush twins. Oh but, Lord Obama has said that his family is off limits! pfft

"At least Clinton's daughter wasn't a baby with Down Syndrome. Yes, I've seen the left attack Palin's son, Trig. I've seen the left attack Laura Bush who has never done anything to anybody. They've called Barbara Bush a man. They attacked the Bush twins. Oh but, Lord Obama has said that his family is off limits! pfft " LOL What the heck are you talking about? I don't think anyone left or right thinks that Trig have DS is funny in any way shape or form. I personally would never name any of my children hippie names but, to each their own. I like both the Mrs. Bushs I have never been able to figure out why they are married to idiots but, I guess they see something special in their idiots. I really like Laura and Barbara, Barbara was like the cool grandma out playing in the snow on the White House lawn with her grandchildren. I'm sure that no one on the right will ever think it's cool if Obama plays with his kids. As a matter of fact I've seen several bytching about Michelle planting her garden. I try not to listen to political "entertainers" since they seem to only be able to make jokes about people that aren't in politics; the spouses and children. All politicans children should be off limits when it comes to jokes, but, if their failed policies of "abstinence only" are proven by their children than yes I fully believe that failed policies should be pointed out. Sorry that is the only failed policy that Republicans are so strong on that fails 100% of the time.

I am finger pointing at Bush and his cronies, AND Obama and his cronies. Essentially, it is us (the people) against them, the political elite in Washington. Our political system is supposed to be "by the people, for the people", and it has become "to the people, in spite of the people".

Clutter, I agree that is shouldn't be okay for EITHER party to attack anyone when there is no reason to. But, if you are a view of a subject, and I have facts that proof your view to be incorrect than would you rather know, or just believe you are correct, when you are not. I think that the children of politicans should be off limits, but if the parents use them as an example, and facts contradict that, then they should be pointed out (but not in the way that either example was/is). But, people have to stand up and fight this when they see it, if you see and attack or an offical pushing their children on the public.

Debrakcarey, thanks for your response. I agree that neither party should go after the children of political families. I also think that families, and parties shouldn't use their children during elections. I wanted to remind everyone that this isn't the first time that political families have been attacked, and that it needs to stop.

I have addressed you feelings on 'using' children in politics elsewhere on this discussion. Thank YOU for this post...I've ranted through it the last two days. Thank you for being a gentleman...and allowing me to speak my mind.

George was great, the world lost a funny, and very nice man.

And I doubt he would have sunk so low as to attack a child. It is not a PC thing...it is just common decency to not say these sort of things about a child, any child. A society IS known for how it treats its most vulnerale...George made us think about our hypocrisy...but he wasn't a cruel man.

incidentaly this was more an open rant than one directed at you...if it came across as such my apologies.

X, the point of my post was to say that in the past republicans have done this samething. THAT DOESN'T MAKE IT RIGHT. It is like anything else in life: If you don't like it, then change it. How did we change the race situation in this country: We didn't put up with it, when we heard racist comments we express our dislike for them. The more people reject hate and fear the less it will control our lifes. If you don't want politics to be so one side against the other, than change the way you present it. This isn't pointed at you specificly X, but to all of us that complain about partasian politics.

Xfahtor...I've been ranting about this subject for two days now...lol.

piasa, I didn't know that Hilary was a lesbian. I have never heard that before, I would believe you if you said Janet Reno is. I must say I did enjoy the Janet Reno's dance party skit on SNL, it was really funny. I agree that John McCain doesn't know how to tell a joke, but I don't know how to swim, so I don't go in the pool.

I like your attitude here. lol and thanks for explaining the Hillary - Reno thing...I didn't get it till reading your explanation...;) I'm dense when it comes to joke anyway.

But, piasa she was only 13 when Rush called her a dog.

Do you seriously believe that we wouldn't know her baby was born with Down's syndrome if she hadn't told us? Sorry, I am sure you are not that naive. There is no candidate who doesn't mention their children, their children often appear with them at rallies and well, inaugurations. Pretty lame excuses for people behaving so badly. Point fingers at the victim and exonerate the perpetrator. Let's imagine for a moment that Sarah Palin didn't tell anyone that her son was developmentally disabled. How long do you think it would be before there were stories in the press about how she was ashamed of her own child? I can just see those headlines now... Come on, it's okay to say that this was over the line. You know it and I know it, and I promise not to tell on you if you agree that attacking babies is being so low that you'd have to pull down your socks to see where you're going.

According to what debater is saying us moms of special needs children should hang our heads in shame over daring to say we are moms with special needs children.

Rollo, this is called contexting something, if you look at the history of a party and their actions, then show them doing the opposite, then you have hypocracy. If democrats spent decades calling for higher taxes, and then complained that republicans wanted to raise taxes then that would be hypocracy. I don't agree with what the Huffington Post said about her 14 month old son, but we have to remember if it wasn't for Sarah using him throughout the election, no one would know she had a 14 month old child "with special needs child". But, Sarah went around the country telling the everyone about being the mother of a "specail needs child." Someone in that camp decided to put her family out there as an example of conservative values, and that is why her family are household names. Who is to blame for that?

I didn't see rush in your post, only John McCain.

The "white house dog" came from Rush, sorry I should have said that.

I never heard Rush apologize for this, he said that it was a mistake by a technician put up the wrong picture. But, this was a taped show, and he could have fixed the problem, but the didn't. And, if it was a mistake then what was the picture going to be? Letterman pulled a Rush like apology, if you wanted more from Letterman, then you should have asked more of Rush.

Palin lied? Please refresh my memory on that one, Sun. I don't remember her getting caught in a lie. Not that I'm saying she didn't lie. She is, after all, a politician.

LOL Of course I wasn't thinking that she was just a politican. She supported the "Bridge to Nowhere" before she said she was against it. She was always for it until it because the biggest joke in the nation.

"Palin doesn't deserve to be attacked, she didn't do anything wrong,(...)" LMFAO Really? Like lieing is nothing?

Four, where were you when Rush did this? I have spent the last day pointing out the hypocracy, and no one has come out and said they didn't approve of what Rush said. I agree that it would be alot better if children would be left out of politics, but someone has to tell the politicans as well, if you are going to parade your family out in front of the world and be upset when people ask questions about it then YOU are at fault for this. You don't hear about the Obama girls because they are young, and they aren't pushed on the public. They did keep a pretty low profile during the election, and their parents did use them either. I don't know if it was the McCain camp, or Palin that allowed her family to be put out there as an example of conservative values. Palin's daughters have been in the lower 48 alot since the campaign. Bristol is on a speaking tour talking to teens about abstinence, and is getting paid well for this. Willow has traveled with her mother, recently being the but of an uncalled for joke by David Letterman. But, these kids have been in the public spot light alot since the election.

criticism is one thing.

I don't approve of anyone doing it even Rush, I never defended him. To the degree of which left leaning bloggers and media types go to attack that family only cause of their political views is still rediculous IMO, the amount of money spent on petty ethics complaints against that family just to keep em down??? On a side note, I'm a member of many conservative message boards and websites and I never see the kinda criticism that Palin's took ever mentioned the other way around, as a matter of fact it wouldn't be tolerated.

Best, kids should be off limits. But, both parties have went after the children of politicans for years. I Hope that both parties are getting tired of hearing the attacks on these kids. But, we need to send a message to everyone that it isn't alright to attack children, or use them to win elections. The point of my post is to remind people that this isn't first time this has happened, and before you get mad, remember how YOU reacted when the shoe was on the other foot.

And now she has left office. Does anyone blame her...yea! "she's a quitter" they say....I'd quit too if what I was doing was putting my family in this situation...I don't blame her a bit for quitting, if she stays in office, her family suffers! And THAT is what the left/democrats hoped for...to force her out of the running for 2012. She put her family first..something I've seen few politicians do lately, left or right. The way I see it is she put her role as a mother and grandmother FIRST...yet she is accused of 'using' her family to get the spotlight. Those who think its PC to hate her....will hate her no matter what. Most people are like sheep...they can't think for themselves but have to have the media tell them what they should think about things.