The End of the Firecracker 400, 2009
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
United States
July 5, 2009 10:32am CST
What are your thoughts? Was this racing at it's best? Was it just a racing thing?
5 responses
@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
5 Jul 09
I think it was a racing accident, it happens in racing and when you are racing to the finish well things like this occur. It is not necessarily a good thing, in fact even Stewart said he does not like to win in this manner.
Nascar has gone to extremes to make certain that these cars are safe for the drivers and fans alike. They can not prevent things like this from happening when cars are fighting to the finish. Tony had the dominate car last night and deserved the win, the accident was just that, an accident. Bush was driving very aggressively, it was bound to happen.
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
6 Jul 09
The thing is that manuever was used in the past with these cars, I've watched other drivers create that very same accident the guy behind is the guy in control so from what I had witnessed it looked to me like Tony was totally in control. Now the question is of moral character... Do you think that Davey Allison would have driven to the same finish?
Yes, I'm comparing Davey Allison to Tony Stewart...
@meandmy3 (2227)
• United States
6 Jul 09
Yes I do, I also know that Dale Earnhardt SR would have done the same thing. All of the drivers are out there to win, second place is not good enough they want that coveted trophy, especially at Daytona. There is just something special about that track. Always has been, always will be.
Davy was a great racer, he was young and knew how to handle a car but even with that he could have caused the same accident, things could have turned out the other way around, you take risk on the track, every driver does. And well to be honest drivers depend on their spotters to let them know that they can go up, that it is clear, and chances are Tony's spotter told him that he could go up the track, Bush had other ideas, he wanted to win just as much as Tony did, they were racing to the finish.
I see nothing wrong in comparing Tony to Davy, now had you compared the likes of Bush to Davy I might have to come over there and beat you up..
Bush is not one of my favorite drivers, he is arrogant and takes too many risk, he thinks he is above the law, rules, regulations, he is no better than anyone else out there, but you can not tell him that. His head is too big and he is dangerous, he thinks he can do more in that car than he can. He is no Earnhardt and yet he thinks he is
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
12 Jul 09
Last nights race at Chicago land speedway was reserved and tame from what I heard and saw.
I will keep watching...
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
7 Jul 09
The race was last Saturday evening... Wait until the next one... I have a feeling that the fourth of July Fireworks are not over.
@barrettcoffey (51)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Yea go back and watch the video from when they give the overhead shot. Kyle SWERVED back to try to block Stewart the second time. He didnt just merge back over. his car was sideways, and I honestly doubt he could have straightened it out at that angle without hitting the wall even if Tony hadn't been there. And of course you may want to go and say that Tony got him loose for being that close to his rear corner panel, but people lead that race all day long with people on their butts bump drafting and everything, it's one of those things you have to get accustomed to and deal with to be a good restrictor plate racer. Darrell Watlrip has said that Kyle Busch is the only guy that can go 3 wide with himself. That's not necessarily because he is a good racer, it's because he is at times reckless. Yes he has that unyielding passion and want to win and do the best he can on every lap he races, but that's not always the way to win in actuality and reality. The fact is in many races you have to be smart and know when to hold back. And in the new car we are actually seeing that the drivers who can hold back and not use up the car before halfway are the ones that are able to hang on and have something at the end. But in the end, Kyle should have learned from Carl Edwards mistake at Talladega. And in a quick comparison of the two:
Carl blocked quickly at Talladega. he went up and then down (which would have forced Keselowski below the forbidden line) but when he went down on Keselowski, Keselowski was only there by an inch or so, Carl had reacted quick. Kyle blocked slowly and stupidly at Daytona. He went down on Tony (which Tony then decided instead of holding his line low to make a run up high) so then Kyle went up. maybe Tony could have moved a foot or so higher on the race track to give Kyle more room but as I said early, with the angle Kyle swerved back it wouldn't have made a difference. And what's most important here is that Kyle waited longer in between block attempts. Yea, just a few seconds, but that meant the difference of almost a foot that Tony was up beside him. In all actuality it should have been time enough for anyone, including a spotter, to see that Tony was actually getting BESIDE Kyle. What I would have done if I were Kyle was to wait another few seconds til Tony actually got 3/4 the way beside me, then start grinding into him to slow him down and force him closer to the wall. That would have been more exciting, and that would have meant both cars just beating and banging at the line and it wouldn't have had the leverage to spin Kyle at that point. Worst case scenario there is Kyle finishes second and still has a great day.
But we all know from Kyle's nationwide season that second just doesn't cut it.
"Yea I guess it was a good points day..." (ROLLS EYES AND DISGRACES TEAMS HARD WORK)
@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Really the bottom line is was it a clean race and did the racers race each other clean, and you know what I mean...
Personally I wrote what I saw and I agree that Kyle was way loose and heading for the wall and the only way for him to save his car was to slow it down and get some grip. Tony gave Kyle the love tap he needed to meet the wall, it was a racing thing, if I was in Tony's seat I would have driven like Davey Allison, as Kyle would come up to block (as you call it -- I think Kyle was sliding up out of control) Tony should have known this is what would happen and instead of giving Kyle that tap, he should have taken just that moment to allow Kyle to clear high and driven hard down under Kyle... It's been done that way many times in the past for a clean racing pass. A very effective maneuver that doesn't take out other drivers and their machines.
@Seppy1984 (2145)
• United States
8 Jul 09
I in fact watched the race and I was not to happy. But don't get me wrong I am not a fan of Kyle Busch. But I disagree with out the race ended. I flipped and my hubby sat there and said that is what happens in racing. I told him that is how racing happens but I feel that Tony could have controled what happened. I feel that he was in such a hurry to get to that damn finish line that he did not care who got in the way. He had to have seen Kyle coming to the front and yet Tony kept driving foward not caring because of the fact he figures that he is already won so many races that he wants to keep it that way. He needs to stop being greedy and allow someone else win. Although I will say that Kyle was a smart guy to wait till he was cooled off because he does have a bad temper. But I would have a temper too if I was rammed off the road like that. But things happen because it is racing although I still think the drivers should take in considration of the other drivers too.
Happy Mylotting
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@Seppy1984 (2145)
• United States
8 Jul 09
LOL It's ok, I'v made mistakes like that on my discussions. Maybe I was not paying as good attention as I thought I was when watching the race. I did not noticed that Kyle was loose. All I saw was that he was in the lead and I thought it would be nice to see him win since Tony has won so many already. I just thought a change in winners would be nice.But thank you for correcting me on what happened.
Happy Mylotting
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@burrito88 (2774)
• United States
28 Jul 09
Stewart was in position to pass and Kyle cut into him. Was Stewart just supposed to back off because Kyle wanted to block him?
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@TheGreatWhiteBuffalo (4822)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Is that what you saw? I'm sure you know about the draft and getting the car in front loose.
If you could take another look at that accident and how it started maybe you'll see that Stewart had Kyle all kinds of loose and then finished Kyle off... I've seen other drivers do the same thing.
Kyle might have been able to avoid wrecking if Tony didn't give Kyle that final love tap, and I guarantee that with Kyle wrecking or as loose as Tony had Kyle the only way to prevent from wrecking would have been to slow down, there was no way that Kyle was a threat for the win, unless by some odd miracle Kyle could have saved his car, I think he was way too far out of shape to save it, that was a big wiggle before Tony put his fender to the right rear quarter panel.