Why the global economy is not good for America
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
July 6, 2009 8:22pm CST
Today 154 people were killed in China, rioting over the death of a factory worker. The Chinese government has cracked down on the protesters, and have cut off all contact to the outside world. The United States can't do anything about this because we love cheap disposable crap from China. We would much rather give jobs to people that hate us, than pay 20% more for a product made by our neighbors. The use the money that we send there to build up their military to keep their people down, and to become a superpower. This will lead to our own stupidity coming back to haunt us (we have been here before). So my question is why did we allow this to happen, and how do we change it?
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@snowy22315 (180830)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Well with this current economic situation I dont think there is much we can do about it. I jus tthink that we have issues here that we have to face and until we can do something about our own economy there is not much we can do to help with the Chinese situation. I dont know what we will be able to do about it.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Snowy, this is my point, at this time we put our country in jeopardy because of our own stupidity. When you send money to a communist country, do you think they are going to use it to help their people? HELL NO. This is what our nation gets for our stupidity, and I hate to say it, but we do deserve it.
@ra1787 (501)
• Italy
7 Jul 09
china is a country without human rights, but it is driven by money not by ideology.. in that sense i mean it is capitalistic, not in a positive sense.
I am sorry if i was misunderstood in my previous post.
By communism i intend what marx wrote and china is the most distant thing from that.
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@SteveSlaton (552)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Come now. I certainly did not allow any nasty world affair to occur. As George Washington said in his Farewell Address: (I'll paraphrase.) People! If you value your freedom do not trust a 2-party system. It is susceptible to corruption by clever minds, domestically and internationally. Your freedoms will be compromised or destroyed...
China's experiment with a 2-party system, ironically, is the best example. The parties were Nationalist controlled by White capitalists and the Communists controlled by the USSR. It tore them apart. The Nationalist have their Island, Taiwan. Taiwan used to represent Chinese people at the U.N. and in countries through diplomats. The Communist China did not "exist." Nixon reversed that.
We Americans and the poor all over the world are being ruffed up with the object being obedience and acceptance of our "betters," as seen from the eyes of many rich Caucasian men who ARE having a hard time holding onto their power. Our Pentagon is Their Army before it is ours. As President Dwight Eisenhower warned, Beware of the Military Industrial Complex. Well, duh! We are still in the Age of Reagan who spent Trillions building up the Pentagon, his buddy's Army before it is ours. From this point of view, Obama is continuing to pay these Good Ole Boys tribute. What can he do?
Bullies thrive on being hated, on killing, on throwing self-glory parties and looking in the mirror at their "perfect" smiles. Rome did it on chattel slaves. The American and British Empire known by Orwell's name as the Oceania Empire has wage slaves via China. I hear recruitment in the USA is up. I guess the Good Ole Boy scheme is going as planned.
To solve this problem the Good Ole Boys need to be taken down here at home. The best and fastest way for that is a populist movement pushing to end the many abuses of power through a Constitutional Convention. Only one more State needs to call for a Con-con. We had best move fast because the Good Ole Boys can get nasty once they realize they are being threatened. You think the recession is bad?
With biological, chemical, and nuclear weapons, all legal because bullying is legal, we are running out of time. Life's best chance of Earth rests with USA citizens, the votes behind the current sole super power. We had best move fast, outlaw bullying in all its forms, and remove all occasions for war. The bullies will resist. Are you ready for the challenge? I am.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Jul 09
EEEP! I just saw your call for a constitutional convention. This is far more a dangerous idea than many people think it is. There is nothing that outlines a conventional process, there is nothing that outlines who the delegates are or how they are chosen, the delegates could in fact wind up being congress itself...now THERE'S a horror story no movie writer could even come close to.
@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
8 Jul 09
Steve, some excellent points there.
I think China is dealing with diversity in the same way early Americans had.
@SteveSlaton (552)
• United States
8 Jul 09
Revell, thank you for the complement. China in the 21st century is VERY different than the 13 colonies in 1776...
X-factor,I've read a few of your My Lot posts. Do think our country is doing fine? I say, No.
With our corrupted system the only lawful way out is a Con-con. I know you nay-sayers arguments that translate into CONTINUING TO IN FACT ACCEPT OUR CORRUPT SYSTEM WITH A LITTLE IMPOTENT WHINING... Grow up...
A passionate, focused populist movement with views quite different that yours. X-factor, IS our only option short of war. And as G. Washington also said if his farewell address (I'll paraphrase): Be slow to choose civil war in attempt to correct abuses in power since the outcome is rarely positive.
In those days the French People had their revolution in the name of freedom, that lead to Napoleon's tyrannical Empire, which quickly proved Washington's assertion.
We need a Constitutional Convention now. As for the China/USA most favored nation trade agreement that Sonny Bush signed 2 months after 9-1-1, it is an abuse in power that can also be corrected by a Con-con.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
7 Jul 09
I agree with you that we are in a bad situation, but it could be much worse. I personally think that we need to buy more American made products, and Obama needs to set up programs for Americans to start making products again. We also need to instatute Mirror trading, so that we have balanced trade agreements. If any country wants to put a 20% tarriff on our products, then they will have to pay 20% to import products to ours. This is pretty simple, and will eliminate most tarriffs throughout the world.
@tundeemma (894)
• South Africa
7 Jul 09
the global economy has done nothing to the american economy, it is the american economy itself that went upside down with the lavish spending made by the Bush administration on senseless wars. the global economic recession has hit the world economies so we can't blame that for the recession in america, i blame the bush administration on the american economy
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
8 Jul 09
Tund, I agree that Bush's administration does have alot of responsibility for the recession. But, the fact that we import more than we produce is going to destroy out economy. There are millions of people that have never seen a factory, and think that manufacturing is our past. They don't understand how people get money to buy products. We can't just sell Chinese products to each other, and expect to make a living doing this. Manufacturing built this country, and now people who would never set one foot in a factory want to destroy that. That is life in the US.
@foursox212 (282)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Can't believe I'm agreeing with you on something LOL, Anyway as of now with our continuous rising debt from both parties they thru the years set up a consumer spend only system and china backs our debt,and china can't do it by not expanding their economy. Your really looking for what should we do, I don't know at this time I'm sure it may not hurt to go back on the gold standard again it's a good hedge against inflation and would keep our dollar in check. We'll have to figure it out cause this bad recession we're in now is basically our capitalist system (or whats left) trying to reset it's self by ridding of all the toxic crap. We need to start getting serious about our own energy, drill now and work on alternatives, China is locking up oil left and right, we need incentives to bring manufacturing back getting the american creative again.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
8 Jul 09
Four, I don't know if I should really be saying this, but there is a reason we can't go on the gold standard: No one really knows how much we have. For the last ten years our government has kept that out of public records, and is top secret. The other problem is that China has been building up stockpiles of gold as well, and they may actually have more than us. I agree that it would kee inflation low, but the question is at what price. I agree that we need to work on our energy, but we also have to make sure it STAYS HERE. Right now we export oil, even though we import much more then we produce, but we don't own the oil in the ground. We sell the land and what is under it to the oil companies, and the problem is that these oil companies don't care who they sell it to. If China wanted to take over America it could do it in less than a year. The only thing it need to do is offer more for oil than we are willing to pay, and that would destroy our economy.
I agree we need to offer incentives to manufacture here in the United States, we also have to enact Mirror Trading agreements. If China wants to put a 20% tarriff on our goods, then we will do the same to theirs.
@Varviktel (36)
• United States
7 Jul 09
Unfortunately, I think the mindset you're speaking of (cost is everything, cheaper is always better) dates back to the disposable hyperconsumerism of the 70's and 80's. That's when people learned that more is better, lots of cheap crap is better than one or two quality things, and why bother with something that you'd have to actually fix instead of just throw away and buy again?
I personally find this sort of mentality deplorable. It translates into "use up and throw away" policies that permeate society. The environment, social welfare, even the government.
As if that weren't bad enough, China is as close as it gets to evil; they don't even have ideology or faith to give them reasons for their insane behavior. Their government is cold, methodical, cruel, heartless, and dangerous. Their current economy is almost entirely based on selling cheap junk through walmart. We helped build and support their current infrastructure of tyranny. Way to go, USA. Way to go. I hope that cheap TV set keeps you warm at night.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
8 Jul 09
Varviktel, I agree with you 100%. Don't even get me started on Wal-Mart, I could go on for days about Wal-Mart. If you ever want to know more about them, look up "The age of Wal-Mart" it was on CNBC, and tells you everything you ever wanted to know about them, and their Former communist CEO, Lee Scott.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Jul 09
For starters we need to make it easier again for business to do business in the U.S. Minimal nessesary SENSABLE regulation, regulations that both protect the consumer and the producer. Tax codes that make sense and don't require a masters degree to understand and that don't require a small fortune of one's profits to be turned over to a bloated, corrupted and iresponsable government. Environmental laws that don't cripple business and still do the job they are intended. Labor laws that don't also do this. Regulater and reign in unions. And most important, REMOVE the federal reserve and involvment with the IMF....return to a sound and sensable monetary policy that doesn't rely on the international community.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
8 Jul 09
X, Isn't "Minimal nessesary SENSABLE regulation" get us into this mess in the first place. You know the fact that the mortgage lobbiest spent millions making their industry less regulated then your family DOG. Ever hear do of the words "To big to fail"? Both of those were products of the LESS REGULATION crowd, and it almost destroyed the country. Do you really want to go back to that? REALLY?
I have heard you go after the FED before, and I have mixed feeling on this one. The FED has done some good things, of course those ended up hurting us, but show one thing that we as a country have done that didn't come back to haunt us?
We need to find a way to regulate CEO pay, when you have the CEO of a company making thousands of times more than the average employee it hurts the country. Look at the heads of all of the finacial instatutions that we had to bail out. All of them walked away with sums simular to the GDP of many third world countries. Please explain to me why someone should get a $500 million dollar golden parachute? Please justify that for me, and I will shut up.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
10 Jul 09
X, I think for the first time we can say that we agreed with each other across the board. I just wish that we could find people that think like use that will run for office, and change the way things are run.
@ra1787 (501)
• Italy
7 Jul 09
I think that economic globalization has brought many problems. There can be no competition between nations with different work laws, human rights implementation, safety regulations, etc..
The only option is to have huge taxation on imports from those countries so that the cost that they avoid in work exploitment and lack of work safety stops being a competitive advantage for them.
Anyway now china owns the u.s. so i think that there is no more that option.
Us treasury bonds are owned by china, and if the china central bank decides to sell all its dollars, it will become worth nothing.