Recession, swine flu, El Nino, what's next?
By scheng1
@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
July 10, 2009 10:50pm CST
We are really living in a very difficult times.
First, the recession makes so many people jobless, and cause so much unhappiness and stress in the life of people.
Next, we have the swine flu spreading across the whole world, with no sign of slowing down. Hopefully this H1N1 does not mutate into more powerful killer flu strain.
Now, we have the El Nino, and expect the weather to create havoc for the next twelve months. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration has confirmed the arrival of El Nino, just a matter of how strong this is. Asia and Australia will face drought, hopefully not many people die.
What's next? Seems like bad news follow bad news, and everytime there is a silver lining that gets our hope up, another disaster strikes.
Do you feel depress over all these? What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?
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10 responses
@fheroan (615)
• Philippines
11 Jul 09
well, we really cant counteract recession coz its a political and economic thing..and the swine flu...all we can do about this is to take care of our health and avoid having sickness and ppl who have this virus..about el nino, well idk..we have lots of water here since we're in a mountain, we can have spring water..
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
Hi Fheroan, the actual negative impact of El Nino is felt after the El Nino. When the farmers in India, Philippines, Malaysia, Indonesia and Australia have poor harvest, the price of food will go up. But that is felt usually a year later.
Philippines is one of the country that will be hit by El Nino. The rice production in the whole country will lessen. I wonder if there is a risk of forest fire.
The El Nino 1998 is the worst, killed more than 2,000 people, and caused so many people to lose their properties.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
11 Jul 09
I don't usually feel depressed over such events, I feel like someone is challenging me to a fight and I'm going to win. Sure, times are bad and getting worse but I'm going to survive and thrive if it kills me. I found out long ago that looking at such things as depressing tragedies is self-destructive and your attitude is what feeds the negativity. A good fighting attitude and determination to keep your head above water will vastly improve things--you may not have more money but you'll be strong enough to enjoy each day of life and the people around you.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
Hi Dragon54u, actually most people are very negative and depressed, even before bad things happen.
Even from the comments here, I can see that people either do not read my discussion carefully, or they focus on the depressing part of it. So far, none makes comment on my question "What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?"
I believe nothing is as bad as our lack of preparation. If we know that disasters are going to hit us, we can prepare, and "fight a war" with whatever diasters.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
11 Jul 09
You're right, I got all caught up in attitude and neglected the question!
I am prepared! I have a few weeks worth of food and water in my basement along with medical supplies. I have money in my savings account just in case my income is cut off--I live very frugally, I'm not a miser but I don't buy frivolous things very often. I have everything I need, including electrolyte replacement liquid, in case I get the swine flu. I even have a portable potty that they gave my mother when she was ill, just in case I can't make it to the bathroom for a day or two.
That's part of my fighting stance, being prepared for every situation I can think of!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
11 Jul 09
Cookies are fine for a couple of days but you need protein and fiber, too. Buy tinned meat and be sure to rotate it with fresh cans every few months. Buy canned vegetables, too, and other healthy things. If you have a situation you need these supplies for, you'll need all your strength. Don't forget bottled water, without water you may as well give up.
Yes, I could survive quite awhile. I know that my government won't help me and I'll be on my own. This ability to survive gives me control over my life, outside things don't control me, I control them!
This is something I'm very strong about, trying to convince people to have power over their lives instead of floating along in the current helplessly.
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@marguicha (223101)
• Chile
11 Jul 09
Times have been difficult all the time. If you read a little history, you will know about the different pests and illness that men had years ago.
It´s not the first time that the world has been hit by recession either and we can start thinking how to live with a little less luxury.
As for people dieing, people are dieing from hunger a long time before depression.
How about doing something positibve to counteract depression? There is a link where you play an easy game. For each correct response, the United Nations gives rice to the hundry children.
http://www.freerice.com/index.php
Check it. You´ll even learn how much you have to play to feed someone one day. I play 10 minutes everyday. Not much, but it helps.
Take care
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
Hi Marguicha, thanks for the link, first time I come across this United Nations game.
This El Nino will cause flooding in your country, will you be affected by it? It is just too bad that South America will experience flooding this coming year end, and our region here will experience drought and dry spells.
Hopefully the harvests will not be that bad, else there will be more people dying from hungry next year.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
Hi Marguicha, actually I'm not depressed, now I'm thinking of taking practical steps to counteract the negative impacts.
It seems that nobody notices that I have asked the question "What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?" Knowing in advance is always good, provided that we take action to prevent or reduce the negative impacts.
It's a pity that I can't stock up a year supply of food, otherwise I will do so, before the price spikes because of bad harvest.
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@marguicha (223101)
• Chile
11 Jul 09
Hi,
El Niño has been causing problems in my country for years now. Our part of the Pacific ocean has very cold water. That is not very good for swimming but we have very good fish. When El Niño comes, there´s a phenomenon called in Spanish "marea roja". It seems that some very toxic algae grow with the heat and you cannot eat the fish or the seafood. We export some fish and we eat a lot of it too so that is a mayor setback for our economy. But, as I said before, let´s concentrate in what we can do, instead of being depressed for something we can´t help.
Take care
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@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
11 Jul 09
I don't know what will come next but I do know that difficulties make people stronger and therefore take everything happening as a chance and think how to cope with it. Recession surely hit us hard and damage the economy and causes lots of job losses. But it also teaches us how important it is to be conservative when time is good and prepare for situation exactly like these.
Swine flu is bad as it kills and affect how people interact with one another. But it also teaches us how important it is to maintain hygiene at all times and live a healthy life.
El Nino is bad as it shifts the climate to extreme level for many cities but it also teaches us how powerful the nature is and we human, instead of combating against it, should really think the relationship between us and the nature.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Jul 09
Hi Faisai, I think if I post this thread in Hong Kong, and those businessmen read about it, they will pay very close attention to my question, "What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?"
I admire many businessmen in Hong Kong, they are very quick to seize opportunities to make money.
I think they will tell me how to make money from the coming El Nino.
Surprisingly nobody who take part in this discussion even notice that I want to know about "positive action", not just about "depressed or not".
There is no point getting negative about anything when advance warning is given. The best we can do is to make the most out of it, even making tons of money out of the "threat".
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
14 Jul 09
Hi Faisai, I admire those businessmen in Hong Kong very much.
Most of us in Singapore lose the spirit of entrepreneurship, and always want Government to help us in a recession.
Those businessmen in Hong Kong are really good. They can make use of all kind of situations to make money! I think if you ask your boss this question, about taking positive actions in El Nino, he will give you a thousand and one pointers. Pleaes share some with me!
@kelly_hello (132)
• China
11 Jul 09
good news will come.. we will be better than today...
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@kanthutherocker (29)
• India
11 Jul 09
Well,El Nino,bad news it is.But who is to blame for the recession and swine flu?.Its us.Even though,Swine flu is not a direct cause of us,its due to our mismanagement of pigs whatever the reason may be.Just take the case of HIV.Who is responsible for it?
Recession,a term so overly used for a year or so.Ailing banks and incapable CEO's are to blame.After all,this is another human disaster.Although,economy is sailing upwards now.
Next is what?.Natural or human disaster?.Today's world is all uncertain.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
11 Jul 09
Hi Kanthutherocker, I agree that this recession is the result of greed and mismanagement of those incapable CEOs who only know how to suck money out of the banking system.
They know how to get into trouble, and bring the whole world into recession, yet they do not know how to make economy recovers.
Swine flu is unfortunate. The fact that many older ones do not get sick suggest that it is an old flu virus that is creating havoc. And of course, thanks to the mismanagement of pigs, the flu gets more powerful, and spreads easily.
This El Nino may bring the economy down again. If the El Nino is as serious as the one in 1998, many crops in Asia and Australia will be destroyed, the price of stables, and other food will double next year. Wonder how the economy can recover if the price of food double.
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@Mikaela_taz25 (1842)
• Philippines
12 Jul 09
That is Life Scheing1, we encounter that kind of problem every single day. Recession happened because of too much people in debt and probably greed of some business man. Swine Flu is due to some disease that happened in Mexico, regarding meats, specifically pigs. El Nino is actually part of a natural Phenomena in weather situation, but due to this Global warming scenario, it seems that this is getting irregular per day..
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Jul 09
Hi Mikaela, from this discussion thread, I find something very funny, apparently nobody seems to notice the most important question right at the last line of my post, which is "What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?"
I don't really care what bad things are happening or will happen, I am concerned with what actions I can take.
I can't make the economy recover, kill the swine flu bugs or stop the El Nino, but I can control my actions. The problem is finding out what I can do.
@Canellita (12029)
• United States
11 Jul 09
Is there no Chinese superstition about asking what could happen next? LOL
Things happen and we deal with them and keep living because there is no other option other than to completely shut down emotionally and psychologically or die. It may be a cliche to say when life hands you lemons make lemonade, but having a positive outlook and learning to see opportunity even in the wake of "natural" disaster is what will make it possible to thrive when experiencing adversity.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, I find something quite interesting, since I started this discussion, I find that those who took part in this discussion are too emotionally involved, and forgot or never notice the most important question in my thread.
I asked about "positive action", but everyone seemed to read only "depressed", wonder why!!??
I do not really care what bad things will happen now or in the future. In fact, I am glad to receive advance notice of impending "disasters".
Last night, I had a long discussion with my ex-manager. He's a pro in stock market. I asked him about his experience with stock market after the 1998 El Nino effects, and we discussed which stocks to buy and what not to buy.
At least that is very positive!
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, he has invested in stock markets for more than thirty years, and his friends are working in the finance sector.
We know that El Nino is going to affect the harvests. He advised me on commodity trading, but I know nothing about that. So we switch to stock market. I'm more conservative, rather invest in those government-link companies, but his advice is to invest on palm oil and commodity related companies.
When the harvest is bad, the price of palm oil and commodity will shoot all the way up, so those companies in related industry can mark up higher. We are talking about those processing and trading company, not those palm oil plantation or companies owning lands.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
12 Jul 09
That is indeed positive. How has the recession affected the stocks your former manager currently owns? Did he feel a particular type of company would be more valuable as an investment? Some businesses thrive better than others because of their specific products or services during these times.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
13 Jul 09
Hi Scheng. I think strings of bad things have happened throughout history, as well as strings of good things. But yes, I do get depressed that so many hardships or catastrophes follow one on top of another, moreso lately than in my whole life. Positive actions I personally take would be to protect myself from the flu, and if I get, stay home and do not expose others.
As for the recession, I can take action to spend and save money very wisely and encourage others to do the same, and I can write letters to govt. officials to pass or turn down laws, whichever way would most benefit people world wide. And however I can, I can help others less fortunate than myself.
Weather, well I believe the best one can do is run from dangerous weather, or take sensible precautions. Since global warming and polution effects many things, including the weather, I can do things that help the earth, not hurt it. Again, I can encourage others to do the same. Sometimes, unity between people and govts. is necessary to make the biggest impact for the good of all.
Karen
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
13 Jul 09
Hi Karen, the El Nino effect is a natural phenomenon, not a result of pollution or anything. The economic cost is very high, especially the 1998 El Nino.
At that time, Singapore and Malaysia were shrouded in poisonous haze, because of forest fires in Indonesia. And after the El Nino, the price of so many food items nearly doubled, lasted for almost a year.
This time I will buy a few tinned sardines, cookies and whatever that I can keep for a year, just in case the price of stables shoot up again.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
13 Jul 09
Yes, all one can do for a natural weather disaster is be prepared or move to safer ground. I think you are wise to prepare ahead of time. I pray it is not as bad as 1988! I remember hearing about that on the news.
My best of wishes to you.
Karen
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
13 Jul 09
Oops! Sorry, I meant to type 1998.
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@animestan (321)
• Canada
11 Jul 09
End of the world. Jking. But really who knows, things are always happening.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
12 Jul 09
haha Animestan, if those older generation who survived through the two world wars, great depression, and spanish flu did not see end of the world, I doubt we will see it in our generation.
Situation isn't that bad, just bad enough for newspaper to make money.
Actually the purpose of starting this discussion is to find out "What positive action can you do to counteract the effect of recession, swine flu and coming El Nino?"
Wonder why nobody notices this question?