The Natiional Anthem of India is Partial.

@krajibg (11922)
Guwahati, India
July 14, 2009 10:28am CST
The R Tagore composed 'Jana gana mana...' which is the national anthem of the country is all biased. I know this is the first few lines of a long poem probabbly not written as an anthem. Now it was first accepted by the independence country on January 24, 1950 after the constituent Assembly passed it. Remarkably highly Sanskritized Bengali origin has almost all parts of the country like Punjub, Sindh( to refer to JK ) Gujarat, Maratha, Dravida (to refer to the all four state of the Souther belt of the country), Utka to refer to Orrissa, and Banga to refer to west Bengle. Now if you say Andaman and Nicobar are too left, the answer is they are tiny island which were not in the greater Indian maps earlier. A huge land mass the North East India is totally ignored in the anthem. I do not personally blame Tagore but I see the partial Nehru and his team including Ambedkar that they were so nonchalant towards the North East India. Might be they never thought this region was worth belonging to "INDIA". Hi friends, what is your opinion? Rajib, 14.07.09
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18 responses
• India
15 Jul 09
Hi Rajib, It’s a long known open secret that the Delhi govt has all along neglected the NE purposefully as it was their belief that it would act as a buffer against Chinese attack and protect mainland India (read…their precious cow-belt)…no roads and railways were built as it was thought that the advancing Chinese army would give up in the difficult wild terrain! What logic!!! Personally I have visited the NE several years back and believe me when I say that I found it to be the most beautifully natural place…a perfect spot for developing eco-tourism which would have changed that lives of people there. I have been upto Bomdila and Itanagar…we weren’t given permission to visit Manipur. Personally, I feel that the people of extreme NE are more genetically inclined towards the Chinese than mainland India…so if indeed we have to have them with us and ‘protect’ us, the effort must be all the more than for other states. It’s the privilege of all mainland Indians that the people in the NE are continuing with us inspite of abject negligence and marginalization for years. Its only now that the central policy has changed and I hear that a lot of infrastructure projects are coming up. Also in Kolkata, I see a lot more students from NE coming down and staying to study and work…it’s a good sign that they are mingling more with us mainland people. Now regarding the national anthem, I see three songs have come up for debate. I give my opinion on each of them. 1. Sare Jahan se achcha by Md Iqbal. Nice song, very patriotic and popular but in Hindi which is not liked by people down south. Also Iqbal promptly changed his stance and supported the formation of Pakistan and settled down there leaving his ‘Hindustan’ behind. So, NO to this song from me. 2. Vande Mataram by Bankim Chandra Chattopadhyay. Very patriotic and militant and ideal for rousing nationalistic passions but a song describing Bengal in particular and not the other parts of the country. So again NO. 3. Jana Gana Mana by Tagore. What you say about this song being partial is true but as we all know, Tagore did not mean this to be a national anthem, yet he incorporated as much of India as possible, keeping the constraints of poetry in mind. however, what should strike you most is the inherent theme of the song…he does not stick to any particular region as such but exhorts the entire population of the country into deciding their own future, being their own masters, being able to decide their own fate. He was a firm believer in democracy and freedom of the people to choose and this is what he conveys thru this poem. He calls the people themselves as the Bhagyavidhata, as the leader of the nation, as the ultimate decision-makers and hails their victory. This song is an ode to people power and may be this is the reason why it is best suited to be a national anthem. BTW did you know that UNESCO has voted the India National Anthem as the best anthem in the entire world!
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Sudipta I do not accept what the UNESCO does with our National Anthem nor I feel proud. You long discussion have a lot of facts here but some are not based. Railway lines were constructed long before the Chinese aggression as when in 1950 country's first ever oil field was dug and for transport propose they built the railway track and when in 1887 Robert Brook discovered this land full of potentiality with Tea and it gave another boosting to th economy of the country and the revenue was consumed by the mainstream people. And not that people were that ignorant for the first College and the most renown Cotto College was establishedin 1901. Of course in the 50s and 60s some students went to Calcutta for study and you know Dr. Surya Kanta Bhuyan secured 80% mark in Masters from Calcuta university which is still not surpassed yet. But over all I respect your knowledge as a traveler to this land...
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• India
15 Jul 09
Railways for oil transportation and tea industry…I think both are confined to Assam…I am talking of more extreme NE parts. Like I said when I visited those places, there was nothing worth to attract tourists…only the govt bungalow at Bomdila, whereas the entire NE should have been developed as eco-tourism hotspot. I went to Shillong which was a little better though. And even now there’s railway only till Assam…even Gangtok has no railway connection. BTW...of the three, which one do you think would have been best suited as the national anthem? Or do you have anything else in mind?
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Yeah Sudipta I read and got too impressed and felt on your way that we need introspection and down to the earth open discussions.
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@shibham (16977)
• India
14 Jul 09
hi krajibj, my father said that this anthenm should not be recognised as a national anthem. yes there may be not anything in north east india but we have river BRAHMAPUTRA. it should be marked. so i have no respect to our national anthem. it was written by a person who always neglected ne india as now.
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• India
15 Jul 09
‘it was written by a person who always neglected ne india as now…’ Shibam’s this observation and his lack of knowledge about who wrote the national anthem, is proof enough of how the Nehru-Gandhi family successfully managed to brainwash millions of Indians into believing that they are the only ones to do anything worthwhile for India. Can you believe that Shibam (and I am sure many others like him) do not know that the national anthem was written by Tagore and not by Nehru or some of his cronies??!!
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi Sudipta, In my discussion I have never blamed Tagore for this discretion as he was blissfully unaware as a poet that Gandhi and Nehru salience would do this to distort his long poem that had completely a different theme. No I never blame that great soul. But what about 'Vande Mataram' and 'sare jaha se achha'? Is it that Iqbal started demanding separate Land for the Muslim and he written song was jerked in the background? And when in 1964 the Chinese almost had had the NE the great Nehru said - 'My heart goes with the people of Assam" ( It was preceded that as we are not able nor are interest to check the Chinese kin of ) Shibham must have written this out of lack of proper info and I do apologize for this.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
14 Jul 09
Yes Shibham, if not anything mention Brahmaputra which is the 28th longest river in the world with 2,948* KM whee the the Ganges and Jamuna are no where in the scene. This is not the fault of Tagore but of the Nehru and co.
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@tuyakiki (3016)
• India
15 Jul 09
Jana Gana Mana is a poem written by R.N.Tagore before our country got its independence.It is a long poem with 5 stanzas... And it is composed as a song much later on request of some students... And the first stanza is taken by our constitution as our National anthem.This whole poem shows the unity in diversity which is the main characteristic of our country India.. The main essence of the song Vande mataram is something different to that.It is the song of the freedom fighters.. Now one main point my friend, corrupted politics and patriotism and national feelings are two different things...
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@tuyakiki (3016)
• India
16 Jul 09
Do you know what is the last wish of Tagore??? He requested all his friends,fans and followers that his compositions should not be changed in any way and it includes all song lyrics and music,dialogues in a drama,and facts of the stories. He is a great poet and author and the first Nobel prize winner of Asia.And as a Indian we should be proud of him and we should respect his last wishes. And in my opinion Sindh fits there better,and not Assam, It is not the best rhyme word over there.
@tuyakiki (3016)
• India
16 Jul 09
When Tagore had written it,it was not a National Anthem. It was then one of his nationalistic song... He had composed many such songs before it... By the way,that time Sindh was in India... And,you try to sing the song replacing Sindh with Assam ....You cannot sing it..Because Assam is not a good Rhyme word.. It doesn't mean that I doesn't respect the Assamese or their feelings.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi Tuya, Now Sindh is in Pakistan, can not we delete that word and replace with Assam?
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@jshekhar (1562)
• India
14 Jul 09
Hello friend, you are right in your observation but the thing is that "Jana Gana Mana" was not meant to be our National Anthem in the first place. "Vande Mataram" was written as our National Anthem and in fact, it was sung in the Congress Meetings before we got Independence. However, I don't know what made them to change it and hence the controversy. Nice observation.. happy posting!
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
14 Jul 09
Hi shekhar, You are right. 'Vande Mataram' and the Iqbal composed 'sare jaha se achha' were the ones that bore the true patriotism and it is the real mystery as to what made the great Nhru and others changed it. Thanks for the response.
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@cannibal (650)
• India
14 Jul 09
The sole reason for Vande Mataram not being our National Anthem is opposition of Muslims. According to them, Vande Mataram, which means bowing down to the motherland is derogatory to Islam. For them, bowing down with respect and gratitude is only deserved by their sky-God! And we all know what kind of Muslim-appeasers Nehru and co. were!
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
14 Jul 09
If this be the case India is not a secular country. I feel we should change it to 'sare jahan se accha....'
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@cannibal (650)
• India
14 Jul 09
There ain't no doubt that Tagore was a great human and a thorough patriot; but the Congress was ignorant enough to not notice that. It obviously is not possible to include every single region in an anthem of a few minutes. So including even some of them for a national anthem was an absurd idea. Nehru and co. are completely responsible for this. I hate saying this, but India has been ignorant of its NE since a long time. And the trend exists even today. For example, in my city Pune or any random place, people (especially women)from the extreme NE are referred to as 'Chini', 'Chinki', 'Nepali' or some thing similar and generally communicated with in English at the first correspondence. But it's nice these days that the media has started addressing this issue. Especially the film industry, if I remember well in the movie 'Chak De India' featuring India, this issue was confronted. Nice development! Those people very much as Indians as we are and deserve the same kind of treatment as we do.
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@cannibal (650)
• India
14 Jul 09
Sorry, some typos ....enough to notice that subtle flaw (probably done unknowingly) in the poem. It obviously........ ....in the movie 'Chak De India' featuring Shahrukh Khan, this issue........
@cannibal (650)
• India
14 Jul 09
Shibham Anyone who knows at least a fair bit of India's real history, will confirm that Nehru was one of the biggest traitor for India. It's only the leftist historians in Delhi, who have glorified him to an iconic level. Shame! The fact is that Nehruvian-Gandhian policies have led us to this mess. And we all are to be blamed for this ignorance on our part. But don't you worry. There actually is no reason why you should/made to feel alienated. I repeat, you're as much as Indians as we are. And I'm sure many common people will always endorse the same view.
@shibham (16977)
• India
14 Jul 09
hi cannibal. do u know that in 1962, when china attacked north east india through bomdila(arunachal) and all the peoples of ne india were victimised then nehru( PM of india) and defence minister KRISHNA MENON declared that we can't save or protect ne india. what do u tthink? was it a perfact declaration by nehru and co occuping the chair of pm of india? so we think staying assam that we are always neglected by rest of our country. it is true my friend.
• India
15 Jul 09
Well.. You know that this song is written long ago before the indepencdencoe of india.. But after the indepencdence.. the comittie decided to declare this ravindranath song as the national anthem of India. On THat time.. No other song was better then this.. Now national anthem can not be changed.. You are also a part of India.. and all eastern stated are part as western state.. IF you think that its partial.. then it is.. i can only say.. your thinking is so small..
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Come on , do not say there were no better songs. It was selected as Tagore had been first Indian to achieve a Nobel Prize for literature and surely all attention would go to his creation.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
15 Jul 09
Hi Rajib Your perception could be correct even though I do not buy it completely. What goes on inside a writer's mind is hard to gaze. we give it form and color and we debate over it. The artist might not have thought anything close to those at all! However, the political adherence to ignore and categorically miss our north eastern states are long apparent. I do feel that the NE part is the most neglected part of India. Hundreds of people die there every day due to various tumultuous situations and get unregistered by the National media! Even today as we speak, some infamously film star gets greater page 1 coverage while the people in NE region undergoing greatest stress due to political, economical and social turmoil!
@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
15 Jul 09
Anyway, that should not be the bone of contention here. Our national anthem has been the butt of ridicule since its inception. Controversies never kind of left Tagore, Jana Gana Mana or whatever. Tell me one thing Rajib, are you suggesting to re phrase the lyrics (as it was suggested to remove SINDH and add KASHMIR..) or do not approve of the song altogether as our NA?
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Not Tagore the person but his creation I mean.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
hI Mimpi, I think you got mixed up in the bargain. I never have blamed Tagore for the Anthem. I said 'biased' means it was made so. I know it very well that not even in dreams Tagore must have thought that his long poem would be made a political scapegoat. He is out of controversy. Yes when the Nehru and co. decided to adopt this as the Nation anthem they could have asked the kavi guru to make some adjustment but that was never done. I myself am a poet and I know what goes in the mind of the poet at the time conception and delivery. Hope i could clear the messed up ideas.
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@subha12 (18441)
• India
15 Jul 09
I want to clarify something. Partial in the sense its meaning and for non mentioning of the states of north east or its essence as National anthem? First of all Noble winner Rabindranath Tagore did not know it will be selected as National anthem.Them do you think its very much easy task to write a song with names of all states of the country? If so can you pls give it a try? I can't say its partial. Nice thought anyway.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi Subha, This is what I have been telling. And for writing all the names of then India could have been induced for a poet is a creator and could do anything. Ok with this version I would add NE and show how it would have been possible. Just wait.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Well Subha, Here is the original version with Assam added. Just go on singing and when you reach Punjabasama'sindh Gujarata Maratha...but you have to be careful while singing. Well one day I will the anthem without distorting the essence and also retaining the 52 second time span.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
when you reach Punjab then add 'sama' and it would solve the problem.
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@mdvarghese (1789)
• Bangalore, India
14 Jul 09
Hi...Krajibg A nice subject. As you mentioned the islands like Andaman Nicobar, Lakhdieves and the north eastern parts of India are not reflecting in the Anthem. My guess is that when Tagore writing the anthem, these parts were not populated as nowadays and it is left. Any way I am not favouring to say that the National Anthem is partial. It was a poets imagination and creation. On those days this poetry was most suitable in the available ones and they would have selected that.I dont think this is partial or impartial
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
14 Jul 09
Hi, This is ridiculous my friend to say that Assam and the rest of the North East part of the country was not populated. I request you to go through the history of Assam and know how many got hanged because of participating in the freedom struggle and you are saying that this part was not populated. Yes you can say like this of Andaman and all as they were used by the British to send for life imprisonment to the 'offending Indians'.
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@greenline (14838)
• Canada
15 Jul 09
Hello. I have been to India twice, and I have heard the national anthem. But, the discussion you are presenting certainly is very interesting. I didn't know the background of the national anthem at all. This discussion is very informative for people of India and also for people of foreign lands. Thank you.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Thanks you greenline. Yes there are lots of controversy over the National Anthem as it was caused by the then leaders.
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@abanerji (1026)
• India
15 Jul 09
hi well, this song was written by R N Tagore and was sung first time on 27th May 1911. obviously this was written somewhere around this time. assam and other northeast states were not different states at that time. they were all parts of bengal. the norht east states got the status of states after 1947. hence when the song says... bengal.. it covers north east india too. now for rivers... brahmaputra is the life line of Assam and older than the himalayas but the poet could not include all the rivers of the country so he chose to represent northern india throught the rivers that are concidered to be sacred. i don't think there is any bias but the thing is the difference between the then india and present india. it is best suited for being the national anthem because it describes India in the best and the most presice manner.
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi Sis, I appreciate your imagination. My friend including Meghalaya, Arunachal Pradesh,Mizoram, Nagaland and Assam - the whole land mass was called Assam and prior to the East India Company’s entry into this vast land there were several small independent kingdoms and Ahom being the top of the rulers in the upper part of the region.. In 1947 Assam got its statehood and in 1972 Meghalaya was created. And Tripura was still a princely state and all independent. Now would you tell where Tagore got the geographical data and wrote that the North East part was a part of Bengal? Do you have any written document where Tagore wrote that Assam was the part of Bengal? Why do you put baseless data where there is no historical proof that Bangle was such a vast land? This is a fact that Assam was brought under Bengal presidency (1823 -1873) only for the administrative convenience by the colonial cousins as the city then Calcutta was the nearest one and later Assam separated from the Bengal Presidency and we had Chief Commissioner's Province from 18t4 to 1905. Now could you tell me who gave Tagore the political authority to include the NE as a part of Bengal? Had your imagination had a basis we would be elated.
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@John4Christ (1597)
• India
14 Jul 09
Technically you are correct, I never observed it so much........but then we don't really know what happened at that point of time, what feelings or what were their views.......and offcourse the national anthem must have been reviewed by a group of people and not only individuals........ But cant really help it, there are so many things which are unjust n our country, we cant really stop it, it has been a part of our culture right since we got our independence.......all we have done is only POLITICS many politicians don't really know that they are elected to serve the people and not themselves......its a pity !!! I don't know whether Nehru was partial or unjust or what exactly, but I would like to know more on this........ Really a great read !!!!
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
14 Jul 09
Hi John, I appreciate your view. This is more a politicized issue than the feeling of patriotism. As they are there like that we are taught that they are our culture and we must respect them. Surely I would respect the culture of my country but this dirty politics with th ecitizens' sentiment is not to be appreciated at all.
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@tundeemma (894)
• South Africa
15 Jul 09
the national team of every country is suppose to be a motivation for every citizen of that country and i wonder why the indian national anthem is so different, every citizen is suppose to sing the national anthem with pride and not with sadness though i don't understand the indian language but i think i understand what you are talking about
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Do you know the southern people have translated the anthem into their language. Now what would you say about the integrity?
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@coycoy (18)
• India
14 Jul 09
Hi friend, I am your neighbor. Just in Nepal. And what I have heard about your country's national anthem it is really partial. If the composer had to mention all the then states he should have but as it was a long poem he never felt or else he would include. This is the political dadas who did it and perhaps knowingly.
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@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi coy coy, Thank you very much for the support.
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@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
15 Jul 09
Hey, Honestly Iam upset reading your post. I mean there is a national anthem which was made so many years back and what possible good it will do criticizing it. And also you are discussing it in public and thus it will give an indirect message to everyone in the world that Indians are partial and that too in their national anthem. My country is like my own family and I solve family problems internally. We should look to develop our infrastructure, standard of education, dignity of labor, better life style than criticize what was made long back. Cheers, Tutul
• India
15 Jul 09
Hi Tutul, Pls don’t take me otherwise but I think we Indians should give up this hypocritic and melodramatic stance of what the world will think of us…60 years is long enough to just go ahead and do what we want to do and not what the world wants to see us as. Look around mylot and see how the Americans are debating and tearing apart their president and nobody is even thinking that it would give a bad name to America. I even came across a discussion on national anthems wherein many Americans admitted that they don’t even know their national anthem! Also its perfectly legal for Americans to burn their national flag as a mark of protest! Yet, the citizens of that country has done more for their motherland and themselves than we Indians have ever managed to! Look at every international forum and apart from NAM or SAARC (maybe), India’s position has never been taken seriously by any country…even in other fields (notable sports) we a nation of one billion people have not managed to retain or improve our pride by staking our claim as a frontrunner…yet look at the Americans! They are there as the frontrunner in every field. This is not to ape and gush praise on a foreign nation, this is just to stay that we should for once stop appeasing the international community and stop thinking what they will ‘think’ of us…they have much better things to do than think of Indians as partisans over the national anthem.
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@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
15 Jul 09
Hi sudipta, Well I deal with westerner’s almost everyday in my office and I have no hesitation to say that their present generation is below par than us. They only know to criticize and blame their government for everything. Many of them even blame their family for their misfortune, I know its none of my business but that’s the truth about them. Y do we have to compare us every time with them? Can’t we make anything of us as an example to the entire world? I also agree with you that we are lagging behind in so many fields, but do you know how partially we are treated in this world? Remember Laxmi Mittal who is one of the richest man in the UK was denied to buy Arcelor just because of his Indian origin. So think about a common man of what he goes through in the International arena. Though its not going to stay there for long as India and China are emerging fast as a super powers. We Indians, I repeat should concentrate on making our own country beautiful, a place where we all are united and the country where there is maximum opportunities. Instead of debating on what happened many years ago. Let the bygones be bygones and look to make a better future. Honestly we have the ability in us just we need to overcome some obstructions. Cheers, Tutul
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
15 Jul 09
Hi Tutul I do not take your comment as an admonition but would cry the hell that we need to open up. That we do not bring the national anthem to the discussion forum would not mean that the problem is solved. History repeats and we do not want that it should repeat in such fashion. remember I am not blaming Tagore but the wort 'biased' is a political twisting. You know the origin of the song I guess. What Sudipta has told is all correct and there is no grain of doubt that our hypocritical attitude has led us where we are now. The more you are self critical the more you go through purgatory and get refined. Do not you think so?
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@ketybhagat (4123)
• India
16 Jul 09
Heavens ! You have opened a Pandoras Box.India is such a vast country, that to include all the parts of the country would be impossible. Maybe Tagore just did tic tac toe and picked up the few that came in the game plan. haha. For all its worth, let me proudly tell you that Jana Gana Mana was selected the best national anthem in the world. Rest all is politics. The politicians are known to play dirty games all over the world. Lets not get embroiled in this controversy. Just be proud to be an Indian.
@tutul0045 (2630)
• India
16 Jul 09
Hi Kety, I agree with you completely. That’s the spirit I want to see in every Indian. Keep it up! Cheers, Tutul
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
19 Jul 09
Hi Ketty if a share for you a share for me too. Do not be partial and selfish. It was way back in 1911 not when Uttaranchal and Jharlkhand etc came. Have a nice time.
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@jlamela (4898)
• Philippines
16 Jul 09
Hello!I am from the Philippines and totally out of place about this discussion, however I am quite intrigue with your discussion that I want to read the full lyrics of India's national anthem.hehe
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
16 Jul 09
Hi jlamela, Yes do read, you should read. if necessary I would give you the original version with English translation.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
20 Jul 09
My opinion is that you should amend this anthem and come up with a lyric that includes the neglected area of the country. You will make history!
@krajibg (11922)
• Guwahati, India
20 Jul 09
That is a good suggestion but there is lots of politics and people are too rigid and are not willing to accept changes. Thanks for the response.