does freedom of speech really exist or is it a myth?

@mama_bear (1118)
Canada
July 15, 2009 5:59pm CST
mylotters so as per usual i was watching a tv show on HBO called shouting fire or something like that and it spoke about freedom of speech. so here is my question to you, does this really exist because it occurs to me that whenever there is a war it is due to this issue, when a government is in contravenous with their beliefs or what they want their society to believe. freedom of speech is great until you say or do something that the government or government elements do not agree with, then you are considered and insurgent or engaging in sedition. i am all for freedom of speech, i mean i know that there are countries out there where you can get arrested for saying something that is considered inflammatory by the powers that be. what people do not realize about freedom of speech and expression and suchlike is that well if you are all for it then you should be all for it for everyone, what i mean by this is, it is all well and good for you to express yourself and say what you want and believe what you want to. you must realize that there are other people out there who are like you, but they do not share your belief structure and do not support the same causes as you do. an example, some jewish people may protest against some nazi/neo nazis and their supporters rallying in the neighborhood which is predominantly jewish, however it is unfair for the nazi rallyists to be forced not to freely express themselves and their feelings towards others races and religions. they too should be allowed to protest and gather and spread their message of hate. when this occurred to me i was stunned, i guess i am all for freedom of speech until i encounter something like this. i guess freedom of speech is not selective and encompasses all, even those who preach a message of hate. mylotters i would like to hear your thoughts on this, and want to know what you think of my revelation.
3 responses
@mizandhk (156)
• Bangladesh
16 Jul 09
This brings up a pointed question. Free Speech is diminishing the Bush Administration's resolve to do exactly what? Impose their narrow views on the world? Do anything they want, without resorting to ethics, morals, laws, and/or justification? Why does this sound similar to Adolph Hitler's obsession with the Fatherland, his phrase, "Deutschland uber alles" (Germany over all others), or something his Minister of Propaganda might have said in a PR moment? The rather terrifying aspect is that George Bush and his neo-conservative axis of evil members are actively attempting to silence and condemn anyone who disagrees with their extremely narrow Christian fundamentalism and hidden world-conquest agendas. By use of the Patriot Act -- predicated by the 9-11-2001 failure of this same federal government to act appropriately -- and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security, these knee-jerk... jerks are attempting with the force of law to impose their views on others, elicit the cooperation of others of like mind, and using financial and other pressures encourage similar compromises of free speech by other organizations and individuals. That is why we must challenge the rationale of the Patriot Act. We must ask why should America put aside guarantees of constitutional justice? How can we justify in effect canceling The First Amendment and the right of free speech, the right to peaceably assemble? How can we justify in effect canceling the Fourth Amendment, probable cause, the prohibitions against unreasonable search and seizure? How can we justify in effect canceling the Fifth Amendment, nullifying due process, and allowing for indefinite incarceration without a trial? How can we justify in effect canceling the Sixth Amendment, the right to prompt and public trial? How can we justify in effect canceling the Eighth Amendment which protects against cruel and unusual punishment?
• United States
16 Jul 09
Bush isn't President anymore. You meant to do past tense, right?
@mama_bear (1118)
• Canada
17 Jul 09
ha ha yes i hear what you are saying, if you speak out about the war and what is going on over in iraq then automatically you are anti-american and one to be watched and you probably have terrorist leanings. it is hard to express an opinion about certain things because in this day and age perception is everything, right. for instance, i am against the whole war in iraq and feel that america should not have been involved in the first place. in spite of the fact that i am against the war i support our troops, i am fully behind them and hope for the safe return of as many of them as possible. some ask me how i can take this stance, well it is simple really, they were made to go over there to fight this war that has nothing to do with them and were threatened with being court-martialled and arrested. anyways i digress, i hear what you are saying, there is the illusion that we still have our freedoms, but the few that are left are slowly being eroded and there is nothing that we can really do about it, well we could be arrested foe peacefully gathering to address this issue right....?
@hn34xyx (21)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Freedom of speech is very interesting because people can be allowed to express their opinions whatever they may be. I personally don't agree with voicing hateful beliefs because it will just create awkward tensions. I had a rally recently to support the passage of bill HR 1207 and S 604 to audit the Federal Reserve and I tried to tell people that we were supposed to be focusing on the issues not that parties. However, there were still several Barack opponents that showed up. I felt powerless because I could not deny them their freedom of speech but I did not want to be associated with such speech.
@mama_bear (1118)
• Canada
17 Jul 09
i hear you, personally i think that it is all a myth to some degree. we are allowed our freedom of speech so long as it goes along with what the powers that be are all about. the moment we start to say things that are not in line with their policies then it becomes a problem. and you are liable to be arrested or put on some list as one to be watched for the future because you have "subversive" tendencies. i do not like those who preach a message of hate, but they too have their beliefs i guess, and well there is no accounting for how others are raised. they also think that their line of thinking and way of life is the correct way because that is how they were raised. just like we believe in what is just and messages of understanding and tolerance. thank you for sharing.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
16 Jul 09
Not a myth. Freedom of speech means the freedom to express yourself, the freedom of information is related to this. HOWEVER, under many governments the freedom of speech has been greatly diminished. As you pointed out, affectively, this means it might as well not exist if people of "authority" are allowed to be selective as to what we're allowed to say. This is true today in America. The "fire!" in the movie theatre thing? Officially, they don't charge you for what you said...but for "disturbing the peace" or, if they're being nice, something smaller like "being disruptive" where they'll just send you on your way instead of charging you with anything. So technically, they don't restrict your speech, they just mind what your words might cause. While this is acceptable under beliefs in liberty, it must be acknowledged that even this could become a slippery slope. Today, we hear about throwing people in jail for the "intent". That is, what they were thinking they meant to do. This is bad, because you can't really be charged fairly over THOUGHT. No one can tell you what you were thinking, and your word for what you were thinking is not really acceptable evidence...therefore leading to breaches in other freedoms, like habeas corpus (your right to a fair trial), and then it's only a few short steps to even graver things...like posse comitatus that protects you from martial law and infringements on your freedom to travel. You cannot be free without your freedom of speech. No one likes the hateful, rascist, fundementalist, or bigots...but just because we dislike them does not mean that we have the right to infringe upon their freedom tp speak.
@mama_bear (1118)
• Canada
17 Jul 09
you are absolutely correct, what makes me laugh, bitter laughter that is is that if you are speaking a message that the government does not agree with, instead of you being arrezted for that or detained, they will find something else that they can charge you with. or in the case of a college professor, they did not like the message that he was preaching to his students, and the education administration board wanted to fire him. however they could not be seen to be firing him for what he was saying because of freedom of speech and all that, so they found something else to fire him for. it was however blatantly obvious what was going on. i suppose that i should be grateful that i do not have to conform as much as other unfortunates have to. i can rant in my blogs, i can dress like how i please, listen to any music that i want to and be seen with whomever i like, and not have to worry about being disappeared or arrested. also as much as it saddens me i too cannot be selective about these freedoms, this means that i have to put up with bigots and racists and all those other hate preachers *sigh*