Obama lied through his slimy teeth about his health care system.

Right, Bdugas, so why is Obama saying we will continue to be able to choose doctors and insurance?

I'm not talking about "ifs" here, or whether the plan is or isn't modelled after the Canadian plan. I'm talking about actual language in the specific bill.

Same as all the other crap he said when running for election, get the vote and then do as you please once you get it. He is full of b/s telling what he wants you to believe then doing what suits him after wards. Sooner or later you will be told how many times a day you can use the bathroom. Don't like him never did, he is fast talker. And makes sure you hear what you want to hear don't mean that is the way it is going to be after wards.

Maybe you should quit living in denial and start to open your eyes.

JB, this article isn't about the merits of nhs, it is about Obama's blatant lies about his plan.

BC, there is room for discussion on the merits of nhs, but I'm not talking about Canadian nhs or even nhs in general. I am talking about specifics of THIS plan and how Obama is lying to us about it.

Ok..so maybe not all politicians lie but the ones that get to the higher up spots...really ..name one that hasn't and with that I am not saying that i'm right by any means. I am not saying that McCain would have done better but I also can't say that he wouldn't have either. I really don't know. I did like many of McCains views and I liked many of Obama's as well. It was a tough call. Obama won. I don't like all of his ways. Likewise, If McCain had won..there were issues that I would disagree with as well. Still, regardless...I'd hope for the best. That is all we really can do. It doesn't matter...he's in. we can only hope for the best. I mean, we can complain here but that is going to do...what?

[b]I disagree. While I voted for McCain, I was not Kool-aid drinker, either. But I KNOW he'd not have been AS bad for America as Obama. I also disagree that all pols lie. I've met & know personally many fine people in politics. Not all of them were as good at their jobs as I might have liked, but they were honest, hard-working people. Not "corrupt." I think that the percentage that are make it look bad for the rest. I, myself, got into a minor office for a few years, & that's how I started meeting so many folks in that arena, slogging away, trying to fix wrong things. In fact, I can say that about both major parties (but mostly only conservative members of either). But I've also known & met the crooks, in some cases, & I've learned what to look out for. So don't paint with such a broad brush. That's just lazy thinking. Maggiepie[/b]

[b]What gives you the idea we haven't? I certainly have called (& emailed, & written, & prayed!). You're right about reason, though. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]

I'm glad there are people like you who bring to light the problems with certain policies and bills and who will contact his/her representatives so they'll know how "we the people" feel. Thanks.

I have no problem with Mr "O" - but I do with several of his policies. There is a difference.

It's really getting old - saying everyone who disagrees with Obama, hates him. And that the Iraq war was for oil - what a crock - folks just 'parroting' the media who started the whole subject, with nothing factual to back up their reporting. The REAL haters in society, were and still are the Bush and Palin haters. It is astounding what some folks say and the charges that are still being leveled at these 2 political figures. Everyone's chickens will eventually come home to roost, as the old saying goes, and that includes the current barraage of idiots up in D. C. I'm getting just a little more fed up each day, with ALL of them! Very few of them are interested in what the voters want. They are just running their own agendas through as fast as they can, and the media for the most part, blindly applauds them.

just saw that cat, haters are people who emotionally react but don't think about anything. i, like most people not from the us, personally think bush was dangerous and none too bright. wouldn't say i hated him though. and i've liked how he's behaved since retirement. since some people here spend their entire mylot time criticising obama for sometimes ridiculous reasons it seems fairly likely they really dislike him

So don't believe Paul Ryan, take the time to read the bill for yourself & decide: http://patientsunitednow.com/?q=node/233

Visitor--OOOPS! Sorry! My comment above this one was supposed to go HERE! Please forgive my blunder. Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"

That's the thing, you CAN keep your current healthcare plan, as long as you don't want to change anything about it. A half truth is still nothing but a full lie.

Thank you, MaggiePie!!! This is some scary sht. Some people are about party & race only & that's how they vote. It's like a sickness. I wanna see his birth certificate too, as well as his azz deported back to Indonesia (his country of citizenship--nope, he's not even a Kenyan on paper)

here we go again...

didnt i just anwser this when you asked me it??? i think i did. since you can find time to argue about whether there is a birth certificate or not, find a better subject to argue about. Like whether the sky is blue or dark blue.

I put another link w/ and embedded pdf copy of the actual bill a couple discussions up if ya want another place to read this novel of a bill.

My guess is unions will cry foul if they have to put their members on Obamacare. They'll demand it for the rest of us, but won't want it for themselves.

A point I made in another response regarding union contracts...the government cannot invalidate or modify a union contract that is already in effect. In fact, as far as I know, the government cannot invalidate or modify ANY properly executed contract. This would also include mortgage contracts and loans. Since the unions alrady have valid contracts with private insurance carriers providing health benefits for ALL members of the union I don't see how it would be even remotely possible for the government to single out new hires for a modification of a standing agreement. The union membership and the Company would have to agree to this modification when the current contract expired and, as I posted somewhere, some union contracts are two years long. Should the government try to force this change in coverage, it seems to me that both the union and the Company would have the option of filing specific performance lawsuits or something along that line against the government as they have a legally binding agreement between the two. It's not simply a case of crying foul...it's contract law. As I see it the only power the government has in this area would be to ask the unions to renegotiate their existing contracts, which they are not likely to agree to do. This would open the door to the renegotiation of everything in the existing contract and neither the union nor the Company are going to want to run the risk of losing what they already have in the current agreement.

Dude, you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. At this point in Bush's presidency his approval ratings were equal to or BETTER than Obama's depending on which poll you check. Another thing that's common knowledge to everyone but you, is that Bush had the HIGHEST APPROVAL RATINGS IN HISTORY after 9-11. http://www.clipsandcomment.com/2009/02/08/the-daily-graphic-george-w-bush-approval-rating-over-eight-years/ http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob1.htm

obviously no one is going to have a higher approval rating since 9/11 since he was the only president after 9/11 until now. Obama has not even been in office for a year and their are already all you obama haters. After a pointless war that was strictly for oil and everyone knows that. It was not even the right country to go to. Be serious long time republicans voted for Obama because they did not want more of the same garbage for 4 more years.

abenitez, I agree 100% with you!

Yes, he's a Republican... If he was a Democrat he wouldn't be disobeying Pelosi and going public with details. Please explain to me something Carrotman... If this bill is so wonderful, why won't the Democrats allow it to be made public?

Parated is talking about language written in the bill itself. The political party of the person who brought this information to light is irrelevant. It could have been announced by a homeless guy for all I care, it's IN THE BILL.

[b]Parated, in Cajun Louisiana there is an expression for your post above. In view of the loud silence from the Kool-aid drinker you addressed, I feel it's 100% appropriate to use here.... "I guess that got 'im said!" Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]

Yup, I know small business owners who are trying to decide which of their employees they will have to lay off if this is passed.

Same here Katran. I don't believe everything I hear either. I need proof!

thats what i said, money is about everything. Infact Money is the root of all evil!