Who's to blame for USA's economic woes?
By clrumfelt
@clrumfelt (5490)
United States
July 23, 2009 8:07am CST
The democrats are continually trying to pass the buck for our bad ecomony onto the Bush administation. However, President Bush and others warned of the coming crash far in advance of its onset, and none of the democrats would listen or commit themselves to making needed changes that would have prevented it. I am sick of hearing the present administration try to keep itself squeaky clean from blame for the mess. I think Obama and other democrats need step up and own this ecomomy and try to do something that really helps instead of blaming everyone else. What do you think?
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9 responses
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
24 Jul 09
Clrum, first off this isn't the first time an adiministration has blamed the last for the countries problems. During Bush's first term, republicans blamed EVERYTHING that happened in this country on Clinton (if you don't remember, then look it up). You are somewhat correct that Bush warned all of us that this was coming. But, isn't that like you blowing up a dam and warning people of the flood? Bush, and the republicans controlled the entire government from 2004 - 2006 (remember Bush had a mandate?), and they spent like drunken sailors. Bush warned the country of this in 2005, the economy didn't go into a recession untill 2007. So please show me all of the things that Bush did in those two years to stop the economy from total collapse?
Bush never took any blame for the economy, he only took credit for it when it was coming back up. It took Bush 7 years to screw economy up this bad. It will take Obama 6 months to clean up Bush's mess. But, like Clinton did, Obama will clean up the mess that republicans left him (see a pattern here?)
@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I don't agree with everything President Bush did, but he did try to reform while others (democrats and community organizers) were forcing banks to make loans to those who couldn't pay them back. If the dems's hands weren't so dirty with the scandals they would have been on board back then to fix things. They were directly responsible for the downfall of Freddie and Fannie, and their greed led to a near total washout of many of the foundational aspects of our ecomomy. They have no right to lay this on President Bush's doorstep.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
24 Jul 09
"I don't agree with everything President Bush did, but he did try to reform while others (democrats and community organizers) were forcing banks to make loans to those who couldn't pay them back."
Again, show me where Bush called on congress to change the mortgage industry. It wasn't just democrats that were calling for this, there were republicans, along with the Alan Greenspan who told congress to find better ways for people to get mortgages. If Bush was so worried about the mortgage industry, then why did he take credit for minority ownership? You can't take credit for something, and blame it for destroying the economy at the same time.
"They were directly responsible for the downfall of Freddie and Fannie, and their greed led to a near total washout of many of the foundational aspects of our ecomomy."
You said yourself that Bush warned us of this housing crisis, again I ask you to show me what he did. This is the same man that spent months selling the country on a war that we didn't need. Are you telling me that the war was more important than the destruction of the economy? George W. Bush was president when all of this happened, he also sat by while energy prices went through the roof, and did nothing to stop it (even though he was sitting on the worlds largest stockpile of oil, and COULD have released that at anytime). The man that has nothing to do with this is Obama, and he is the one being blamed for it. George W. Bush has accepted no responsibility for anything that happened to this country while he was president. The president of the United States is the most powerful man in the world, and the buck stops at his desk. He gets the credit when things work out right, and all of the blame when they don't. That is how it works
@lelin1123 (15595)
• Puerto Rico
24 Jul 09
Well the main culprit is the Bush administration from the start. Then you have wall street, then you have people buying houses that they knew they couldn't afford. Plus spending how much money (?) a day on a war we should never have been in. The list goes on and on. However it started on Bush's watch as far as I'm concerned.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I think it started in the early nineties and the opportunity for reform was ignored. I believe President Bush and others pushed for reform but other politicians with dirty hands wouldn't help because it would break up the crooked dealings that had them rolling in the dough at the expense of the US citizens and ultimately the economic wellbeing of the whole world.
@KupoSin (680)
• United States
23 Jul 09
well, theres too many people to point with a single hand. some say it was the policies of the bush administration, others say its the bank's fault. its difficult to say, but a lot of it is at the banks right now. they are going one after another to washington for bailout money, and a lot of american people are frustrated at them. they are basically receiving free money for their mistakes. its really too late to point the blame, we need to fix ourselves and learn from this incident so that we do not do it again.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I agree. Blaming people for what has happened is not going to help solve the problem.
@smileonstar (4007)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Hello,
well, first of all... I just want to let you know that im not good with politic but here the best I can do to share my experience so far here.
I work as a food service and it is totally suck here... way down and seem like nothing is changing. each one of my customers complain and complain... How are you going to live if everything is just down and down. Yesterday, I went to shop for food and I see many people put up a sign said Laid off Dad or mom asking for money... well, I feel sorry for them and I dont know when and how it will get better either.
Everyday, I am praying and praying to get more customers but seem like everyday people get lay off from work.
I want to know how and when they will fix this problem and bring our economy back on the road and put people to work as it used to be. Rent and other payments are still billing us but we dont have any more money to pay... what are going to do? This is madness
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Jul 09
It is hard all over. I hope that instead of trying to place blame the government will come up with some real solutions that will help people--and soon! I'm praying too because I know a lot of people are hurting.
@Basil2004 (105)
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24 Jul 09
The economic woes of the USA and the rest of the world for that matter is due to a banking system that over the years became less and less unregulated. Loans were being made on very dubious security. These loans were being parcelled and sold off indiscriminately. It was a disaster waiting to happen. The problem was compounded by directors of banks losing touch with reality and awarding themselves huge and obscene bonuses resulting in a collapse of confidence in the banking system. A recipe for catastrophe.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I think the banks and corporate greed in general(don't forget the Bernie Madoffs out there) contributed a lot to the problem. Reform and regulation in those areas would help to rebuild our economy, but not to the point of snuffing out capitalism and free enterprise through socialism.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
23 Jul 09
There isn't enough room in this forum to list all the people and policies responsable for the current state of affairs. We can talk about the wreckless spending spree of the last 8 years. We can talk about our long standing monetary policy, the FED, our involvment of the IMF. We can look at the convoluded banking system and it's players. We can look at shady walstreet dealings. We can look to government financial practices. We can blame lending policies and credit abuse. We can look at our breaking away from the gold standard.
To blame this problem on one man, one administration, one short period of time or one event is naive, ignorant and avoiding the bigger problems.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Good points, all of them. Those trying to lay the blame on someone else are only trying to deflect people's attention from their own failures.
@foursox212 (282)
• United States
23 Jul 09
It does go way back, there is plenty of blame to go around, I know NAFTA didn't help matters, I mean now in this country what do we have besides crappy housing construction, Nothing it's all in other countries to escape the government's tenticles. My opinion is it's like doomed plane, the GOP glides it into a field and in Obama's beliefs he just nose dives for the ground.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Good point. Things are steadily getting worse. Hopefully there is a real pilot in there somewhere with what it takes to rescue the ecomony.
@happyness3 (394)
• United States
23 Jul 09
Lets be honest, it is our fault. We are the ones who elect the politicians that ruin our economy. We vote for things we don't know about, and we spend way to much money on extravagent lifestyles. The credit card debt alone in this country is appalling. I am proud to say that I only have two credit cards and my current balance is under $300. I do this just to keep revolving lines of credit so if I ever decide to purchase a house, this is supposed to help. The American people have no one to blame but the American people. We can't blame it on bush, or clinton, or any other president. We vote in the people that make the big decisions, so when they screw up, its our own fault. Now, I didn't vote for Obama because I didn't think he was capable of fixing the problem...and now, with this mad rush for health care that is going to cost us even more money...I think I am right in that. I hope he proves me wrong. My last job offered me health insurance, but I couldn't afford it, so I turned it down. Now, if I am taxed for a National Health care plan...how does that help me out...I still can't afford any more than I am paying, and I don't like that, but I have to feed my kids and keep a roof over their heads.
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
23 Jul 09
The buck ultimately falls at the doors of the voters. I hope Congress is able to put the brakes on the out-of-control spending spree. The nationalized healthcare idea is one for the trash heap in my opinion.