What is your view towards investing in stock market?
By scheng1
@scheng1 (24649)
Singapore
July 24, 2009 4:25am CST
Many people get rich by investing in stock market. More people are burnt by investing in stock market. Some people even lost their life savings in stock market.
Those who get rich through investing in stock market are those who spent years and years studying finance and investment.
Those who lost money in stock market are the ones who do not know a single thing about investment, and who rely on their luck rather than knowledge in stock market investment.
What is your view towards investing in stock market? Are you willing to spend time and money getting a financial education in order to become rich, by investing in stock market?
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18 responses
@busky5 (3164)
• Thailand
24 Jul 09
I think it is not hard to invest on the stock market.If they are investors, not speculators.I believe everybody should share their money to buy the good companies such as oil company, shipping or other big companies with just have profit in the recession.I think somebody gambles in the stock market, don't want to take the devidence so they will like to buy the high risk stocks but low preformance which i don't suggest them.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
Hi Busky, if they are investors with a few years of financial education or a few years working in finance sector, I would say that investing in stock market is not difficult or risky to them.
Once I remembered my teacher, a retired economist (very famous economist, invited by the central banks of many countries for speaking engagement), talking about forex trading. He said that his colleagues, all very experienced forex traders, dare not continue trading in forex after their retirements. Without timing reportings, those traders do not have the courage to engage in forex trading. Whereas "those fools" (his exact words) dare to trade in forex, with 20x margin, without any training or background in forex trading.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
You mean Temasek holdings? Well, you can't. Temasek holdings belongs to Ministry of Finance.
However, you can invest in companies are part of Temasek holdings. Keppel Corp, Keppel Land, Singapore Press Holdings, Sembcorp, SembMarine, and my favorite, ST Engrg. Those companies are the pillars of Singapore's economy. There is no way the government is letting them sink.
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@grace118224 (1038)
• China
25 Jul 09
Investing in stock is a good idea to handle your money. i'm supportive with it.Somebody gets rich and somebody loses money . It's all fair. If you are manture enough you can deal with all situation. i'm keep investing in stock market . Although i don't earn too much money but i just feel good.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Grace, I wonder if you have taken up the CFA course? I know that China has the greatest number of candidates for CFA examination.
They are taking the right path to learn investment. Knowledge and timing are very important in investing.
Your English is good enough to study for CFA. If you are in the finance and investment sector, having CFA qualification is good for you. Even if you are not, at least you are learning about investment and know what you are doing. All the richest investors have at least tertiary education in finance.
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@ishavasyam (1801)
• India
28 Jul 09
hello scheng1, Good afternoon...thats a gr8 question u have asked..first of all .let me tell u that I m quite active in the stock martket since the year 2006. I have seen few ups and the unfortunate downs of the stock market... specially the downfall in Sensex by 1400 points on 22nd Jan 2008 .That was quite a catastrophe for me like many investors.But sheerly by my misfortune, those days I was in travel and was not able to execute any trading decisions. So my reactions were late.As a result I have lost to a gr8 extent.Now slowly I am recovering through the shock .But I agree with u that its a game of patience , analysis and meticulous planning.Still I would say, at least in my case, the luck plays a larger part.thanks ...have a nice day ..bye
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@ishavasyam (1801)
• India
28 Jul 09
scheng1...yeah I agree to what u r saying...I m quite impressed to see that u have already carried out the introspection and have taken the right steps to avoid such mistakes in the future..yeah in India there are many service providers in the sector of on line trading..lots of people actively participate in the online trading ..being very convinient method of accessing the stock market without the botheration og physically moving out...have a nice day ahead..keep in touch ..bye
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
29 Jul 09
Hi Ishavasyam, I have sort of using the knowledge to do an investor analysis on myself, and know my risk appetite, as well as investing style.
I rather go for long term investment, as long as five years in mind. As long as I do not need the money within five years, I will use the money to invest. And the shares I buy must make money in future.
Having say that, when the price shoots up, I will sell and pray that the price will come down, and then I will buy again.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
28 Jul 09
Hi Ishavasyam, actually when I studied for CFA level 1 exam towards the end of 2007, there were many indications that a big crash was coming.
I knew about that, and when I studied about those mortgage backed securities, I could see the reason why the big crash was coming. And yet, stubborn me still refused to pull out of the stock market, hard to pull out when the market was rising every day.
Anyway, I lost quite heavily too. Later I cut loss and quit from stock market for a year, while consolidating my knowledge, and researched on a few stocks to buy.
On hindsight, it was my fault, shouldn't be greedy, and shouldn't be emotional.
Instead of saying luck plays a big part, I would say timing is everything.
Do you have online trading in India? Over in Singapore, many of us use online trading.
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@srganesh (6340)
• India
24 Jul 09
Hai!I have stepped into stock market recently.One thing you have to keep it in mind is,you have to play there with only your money and your motto is to sell the shares only with profit.Then you will not be a loser at all.Just invest,have a target and wait patiently for it.I am playing like that and earning a little.Cheers!
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@srganesh (6340)
• India
24 Jul 09
I don't rely on the brokers for any tips.I just go with my own analysis and intuitions.I am in the stock market for nearly a month but have survived to earn something.In fact,I do trading online and is so easy to assess the market trends.The experience is wonderful.Cheers!
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
Hi Srganesh, I hope you have some advice from your remister.
Some of the reports they send out are based on years of research and overview of the economic factors. I do not always agree with the reports (especially the buy or strong buy opinion), but i do enjoy the analysis and the research they have done.
Sometimes I would call my trading rep to get a feel of the market, especially when the sudden increase in volume or drastic fall comes out of nowhere.
I think you should ask your trading rep to send all those reports to you, after all he's making a commission out of every transaction you make.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
Hi Srganesh, that's good for you. You must be good at feeling the pulse of the market. As long as you do not make use of margin, I think the risk is very minimal. Most people manage to pick good stocks, but they are using margin, and do not have holding power.
Since you are using your money, and have holding power, you will make a lot in the long run.
Even then, I still advise to ask the broker to put you in the mailing list. In that case, you can choose to scan the daily reports or market pulse that your broker forward to you every day.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
25 Jul 09
My view is that investing in stocks is a gamble with no guarantees. Anything can happen and companies can fail at any time. You only make money when you sell a stock and only if you can get the price that you want for it. Most people do not understand the time value of money and how passive earnings work. For those people investing less than 10,000 at a time the stock market will not pay off in the way that they want. To be successful with the stock market you have to be in a position to ride out the periods where a stock may drop in value and hold onto the stock until the price rises again.
Most people do not have the patience and are dreaming to get rich quick. Stocks are fine to invest in as long as you understand about market fluctuations, invest smartly and diversify your portfolio.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, most people do treat the stock market as a form of gambling. They are unwilling to put in efforts to study.
The very basis courses at tertiary levels are Economics and Accounting, after that they have to take up Corporate Finance, International Economics, maybe Managerial Economics (to understand the Agency theory), and Financial Accounting.
Most investors have at least a basic tertiary education in this area before sinking their money into the stock market. They are able to understand the intrinsic value of the company they are buying, and understand any change in strategy that could impact on the bottom line of the company.
I wonder why those people who do not know a single thing about investment dare to put in their life savings into stock market.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Canellita, people here are the same.
The older generation, mostly uneducated, since that time Singapore was a poor third world country, and most people did not have a chance to learn to read and write. Even then, the older generation is so eager to sink money into stock market. That's why our teachers said, when you see "uncles and aunts" start to invest in stock market, you know the market crash is near.
The younger generation is highly educated, yet lazy to study more. They think that investing is easy, just reading Rich Dad Poor Dad or whatever investment books will do. Actually those investment books provide a broad outline, not in detail about what and how to invest.
I think many people who read Rich Dad Poor Dad, and went ahead to buy properties are facing financial disasters now. It's true that buying real estate is the way to become rich, but they forget that timing is everything. And they forget to take in the economy as a whole. Real estate always follows stock market. And Bond market has negative co-relation with stock market. So when stock market is high, do not invest in stock market and real estate, should sink money into bond market.
Sometimes a little knowledge is more dangerous than no knowledge at all. After this recession, see whether people will learn a lesson, and really study into investment.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
25 Jul 09
Very few people here invest any time in financial education and even fewer in the lengthy and formal manner you described. Most are hoping to get a hot tip and invest in a stock when the price is really low and then sell when it soars.
Here you have to find someone to invest for you and no one is ever willing to explain anything; they just want to take your money and play with it.
@divkris (1156)
• India
24 Jul 09
investing in stock market is not a bad idea if you have the "extra" money. Many people look at it as a mere gamble. If you are planing for profit in a short span like day trading then i dont think it is a good idea but if it means to buy stocks of a company and then sell it after an year or so - then it is fine.
Anyway i would not recommend stock trading as the right place to invest your earnings.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
Hi Divkris, I do invest in stock market. However I am not a gambler, or use a nicer word, a speculator.
I have poured in a few hundred hours and a few hundred dollars to study finance course, even then I have made some paper losses on some of my investments. I am still holding them. Those companies are strong companies, with government backing.
I think those who dare to speculate on stock market are really asking for trouble, sooner or later they will learn a painful lesson.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
29 Jul 09
I lost a great deal of my retirement money in the stock market when Wall Street crashed last year, even though it was invested by a reputable company. I will try again, but not just yet. It is still too unstable.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
29 Jul 09
Hi Karen, so sad to hear that.
Actually you are better off with index fund, not mutual fund. You will still make a loss when stock market crashes, but the loss is minimized, since index fund has very low fee compared to mutual funds.
I hope you can polish up your knowledge of stock market, if you can get hold of Warren Buffet's writings on the annual report of his company, please read. Another book I recommend is Common Stocks and Uncommon Profits by Philip A Fisher. This is one of the investment classics, and being used as textbooks in reputable university for many years.
@Ruby722 (796)
• China
25 Jul 09
Hi there
I don't know what exactly investing in stock market And have no experience like that.But i think we do anything we should have a ready and not only rely on luck isn't it? Some people have gift about investing,That's good so they become rich and some are not .They spend many time and many money on it..But in the end they lose..It's really sad.So i think not everyone have to do this we should find a way that is suit for us..
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Ruby, there is no way to have "gift" in investing. Even if you take a look at Warren Buffet and all other rich investors, you can see that they have at least tertiary education in finance, and they have spent many years in investment sector.
Education is the foundation. Without formal education in investment related subjects, such as Economics, Accounting, Corporate Finance etc, investors must read a whole lot of investment books to understand the terminology in investment. Those who do not know and dare to sink their money into the stock market are really asking for trouble.
@tundeemma (894)
• South Africa
25 Jul 09
The stock market is often favourable as a long term investment, if you are into stok trading because you want to make quick cash then you are at the wrong place because stock market values go up and down but you will always collect your dividend every year, you can sell your shares when you feel the price value has gone up
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Tundeemma, agree that stock market is a long term investment.
The only thing I do not agree is in the usage of the word "feel", as in feel the price value of shares has gone up or down.
I try not to use emotion in investing, "think" is harder to do, and I have to look into the long term perspective of the company that I'm buying into.
Recently in the stock market of Singapore, there is a company, Genting, whose shares have climbed very high, double what I want to pay for. This Genting is in casino and entertainment business, the casino in Singapore is still under construction, and the casino business in UK is making losses this year, yet people jack up the price from 40 cents to 80 cents. That is madness. It will take a long time for the company to break even, and longer time for the shareholders to see return in investment. If the price comes down to 40 cents or below, I will consider buying as long term investment.
@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
24 Jul 09
I think it is necessary to learn as there are so many factors that can affect the stock prices. But then, it is also the wisdom that most very experienced and skillful investors are also the big losers as they have been relying on their experiences so much that they forget that the stock market always surprises people.
So, my view is that only if we are prepared to lose money that we should start investing and never think we are clever than the market.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
24 Jul 09
Hi Faisai, yes, you are right. Yesterday after the stock market in Hong Kong opened, the local stock market followed the trend set by Hong Kong stock market, and we experienced a huge surge in volume and price.
While there is reason for the increase for the stock market in Hong Kong, there is really no good reason for the local stock market to increase at this rate. I think the investors or speculators are just emotional, and not acting with logic
@faisai (1138)
• Hong Kong
28 Jul 09
Stock market is not rational by nature. Otherwise, there are no people gaining so much while most others are losing their life savings a night. Thus, when we are in the market, we really need to stay calm and know what we are looking for and what our limits are.
@rosyevening (270)
• India
25 Jul 09
actually if you ask about my view then i must say that it is risky , game of fortune , short time investment and it really needs a good player or investor you can say who could understand what is to be going to happen in future with that particular company and its share ..
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Rosyevening, it's true that many people treat stock market as a gamble. They dont even know a single thing about investment.
Investment requires technical knowledge and years of study, much like other engineering subjects.
All those investors who make money from investment have at least basic tertiary education in finance and accounting. The most basic courses to take up are Accouting, and Economics, after that Corporate Finance, Financial Accounting and International Economics. Without this foundation, I wonder why anyone dares to sink their money into stock market.
@dex1007 (556)
• Malaysia
25 Jul 09
I once read this story where one of the side characters in the school, a girl, her hobby was to open her laptop in class and invest in stock market. she was pretty rich i guess...
I've always wanted to invest. but i don't have the nerve. you need a mentor, someone who tells you the what and who's. Even if i'd be willing to study stock for years, i'd still need a guide. So, if you can find that someone, i guess stock market can be good. but without it, it would be like walking across the street with a blindfold. you might make it, you might not.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Dex1007, if you are willing to put in effort to study, you do not need a mentor or guide, you need information, and many analyst reports.
All investors, I mean real investors, have many years of study behind them. The most basic subjects are Economics, Accounting, Corporate Finance, Financial Accounting, International Economics. For those who wants to know indepth and broader, CFA level 1 is the logical step to finanical studies.
It's not difficult once you can get the mindset of investors. It's hard in the beginning, because we tend to see things from our points of views, and cannot grasp the big picture of world economy.
@ravirai8616561 (824)
• India
25 Jul 09
i am currently a student and so can'y invest but surely gonna invest some amount of my income as it is not good to keep capital at ur home as this will not lead to boom of stock market.have a good day
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Ravirai, it's good to think of growing your money so early in life.
Since you are a student, you can check out the CFA level 1 course. The level 1 course is opened to everyone, and will provide necessary knowledge to anyone interested in investment, whether it's stock market, real estate or other form of investment.
The course is very tough, but you get to learn so many things that cannot be found in any get rich kind of books.
@ravirai8616561 (824)
• India
25 Jul 09
well i usually do invest some sort of money in stock market.i can suggest u the site http://indianfantasyleague.com/stocks,where u can play virtual stocks having real values as updated in the stock market.have a nice day
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Ravirai, I'm not familiar with India stock market, and not thinking of investing in India stock market anytime soon.
I have been following the performance of certain stocks in Singapore stock market, and reading the financial reports, and analyst reports, as well as getting the market pulses on overall market situation. Busy enough without venturing into unknown territory.
Actually I do not recommend playing virtual stocks as a mean to learn about investment, I recommend taking up courses to understand Economics, and Accounting to know how the economy works, and to read the balance sheet.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
24 Jul 09
I have my retirement funds, small as they are, invested and I took a big hit during the last market fall. But I stayed in, because that meant that my financial manager would be able to buy dirt-cheap stocks in solid companies before they increased in value again and I've regained about half of what I lost. I don't know what else I could do with the money so it would grow--cd's and money market accounts pay very little and savings accounts pay next to nothing here.
Besides, if people don't invest in the stock market, companies won't have the money they need to grow and improve the economy and create jobs. I won't get rich but hopefully I'll be able to generate a small supplemental income.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Dragon54u, I dont use mutual fund anymore, after I put in a few years of effort to learn about investment.
I prefer to select my own stock, according to my knowledge of the company. There are some stocks which I have been eyeing on for a long time, hope the price comes down even more.
Actually there is a inverse relationship between stock market and bond market. When the stock market recovers, and reaching a high, that is the time to liquidate all your investments in stock market, and buy bonds. Bond price is the lowest when stock market is at highest.
Right now in a recession, the bond price is too high, and stock market is near bottom. Last Nov was the worst month in stock market
@nzalheart (2338)
• India
25 Jul 09
Hello Scheng1!!!
Well the stock market is really the popular business nowadays. And I find many number of people so crazy to fill the applications and wait eagerly for the result, whether they got the share or not. Little knowledge can be really the dangerous thing in this business really. Like you have mentioned, I have also seen many people who have been rich with it and also there are many people who have gone down very much with this. And me, As I am not very knowledgeable about this business yet, I have not think of investing in it yet. I think I should learn the tactics of this field and if I find it nice scheme, I may also do that thing. But its when I can be independent in my life....
Happy mylotting...
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Haha Nzalheart, "tactics" is not the right word in investing!
I can tell you how you gain the fundamentals in stock market investment, however, that means you have to sign up for extra courses in university, and study harder for a longer period.
The basic tertiary courses are: Economics, Accounting, then move on to Corporate Finance, International Economics, and Financial Accouting.
The next step is to sign up for CFA course. It doesn't matter you pass or not if you do not intend to work in finance and banking sector. The knowledge is comprehensive enough to help you select stock properly.
@Basil2004 (105)
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24 Jul 09
I have always been very wary about investing in the stock market and have never done so directly. I have received some freebie bank shares which I made the mistake of holding on to while my instinct was to sell them at once. While large profits can be made the recent downturn in the stock market has been catastrophic for many people. If you want to make a serious profit you need to spend a lot of time studying the market. However the greater the potential profit the greater the risk.
It is almost like another form of gambling.
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@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Basil2004, actually starting from the fundamental is better.
Like what Robert Kiyosaki has been saying, reading the balance sheet is fundamental to investment.
Instinct will come later, when the fundamental is right. Anyway you are not making actual loss if you are able to hold the stock till market recover.
Most people do not even know that once money sinks into stock market, they must prepare to hold for five years. Most people will not make losses if they can hold on to the paper losses.
@machizmo (279)
• United States
24 Jul 09
At one time I think it was a good way to go but after the economy going like it did, I would compare investing directly in the stock market as similiar to gambling.
@scheng1 (24649)
• Singapore
25 Jul 09
Hi Machizmo, actually now is the best time to invest. Timing is everything in the investment.
Most people invest only when market is going up, to the stage of over-heating. They dont even know how to read the financial reports, and analyze the fair value of the stock. If they could at least read the EPS (earnings per share), they wont invest when the stock market is doing too well.
Many people are actually gamblers, pour in money without knowing anything about the company they are buying.