even more about palin and obama
By jb78000
@jb78000 (15139)
July 28, 2009 1:03pm CST
or not. this is about global warming. apparently africa is investing heavily in wind farms and other alternative forms of energy.
africa is doing this because it has to but the biggest producers of carbon dioxide etc are china, followed by the usa, followed by european and other developed countries. these countries (with the possible exception of china) have the resouces to drastically cut emissions although it would lead to some changes for their citizens. (mainly less driving and fewer flights)
would you cope with something like this for the result or would you react with fury?
and here's the link http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/27/kenya-wind-farm
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
28 Jul 09
ROFL! Clever, I love it.
I live in an area where driving less is simply not an option. Most of america, despite what you see on tv, is not end to end cities, chock full of busses, trains and other means of transportation. The majority of us live in rural areas. We are also a very LARGE nation, not exactly easy to hop on a horse or bike and get to where you have to go.
As for wind farming. I am all for it on a local scale. I think if a person can erect a windmill and generate their own power and sell the excess back on to the grid, great, more power to them. If a twon or city has fuond a way to do this feasbaly, again, go for it. But there was talk of a large scale plan her to erect a massive wind farm in our midwest region. Great idea on first glance. It's wide open, flat, lots of wind to harvest. The problem is, this region is also known as "tornado alley" and is named so for a very good reason.
Until such solutions can be made practical, they are really not silutions. Many of the so called "green alternatives" are either rediculously expensive or are deceptively NOT green. For example, electric cars. Sounds great, less emmissions, no gas needed, sounds like an ok solution right? Ok, so how do we charge these cars? With electricity. All we are doing is shifting our carbon foot print rather than eliminating it. Or those so called "green" light bulbs. Again, sounds grat, uses less electricity. But they are made usualy in naitons like CHina, in manufacturing process that are far more carbonous, then shipped on baots using lots of diesle and pumping exhaust. They are then shipped all over the country in trucks using the same dieslel, pumping the same exhaust. then, when you get the buylbs, if you break one, you need a Haz-Mat team to clean it up and have just introduced mercury and other toxins in to the local environment.
Hybrid cars. What about the batteries? What happens 10 years from now when we have 10's of thousands of spent hybrid batteries leaking and rotting? We have no safe ways to store or dispose of these things. It is an environmental disaster of epic proportions waiting to happen.
Then we have the si,mple basic issue that the science behind man made global warming simply isn't in yet and is only a concluded deal by a portion of the scientific community. Truth is we have no idea what changes the climate. We have only been monitoring weather for about 125 years. We have had weather since we have had a planet, about 4 billion years. We have no precise idea of what cloimates have been, what caused changes, etc. A lot of science now points to our sun and it's own "weather" having far greater effect on the planet's weather and climate than man can even think of. Mars has been shown to be going under similar changes in paralell with Earth. We can't well blame that on man can we?
My issue with the whole global warming discussion is that there really has been no discussion. Just a lot of misrepresented facts, lies, myths and clever movies showing scenes that have nothign to do with global warming and a lot of charlitans getting rich off the hype, like Al Gore.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
28 Jul 09
I wanted to comment on those wind turbines and Florida since you might be interested in this. Down here the huge lights the illuminate the major highways can be pulled down to the ground by a rope so that they don't get blown away when a big storm comes through. One of the designs for the wind turbines that I've seen include the ability to bring all of the arms down to the main support pole and secure them so they don't get blown off either. I'm sure that setup will be expensive though.
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@jb78000 (15139)
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28 Jul 09
lots of points there - i know about the need for vehicles in rural areas and small towns (and of course i don't get my view of other countries from what i see on tv) - the uk may be far smaller but the same thing is brought up here. however most people live in cities and most driving takes place in cities, in the us as well. easy enough, if expensive to replace all cars with relatively clean public transport in cities. i can imagine some of the responses though
electicity can be produced in various ways if you can stop the oil companies interfering - it doesn't have to be wind, solar (as an example) is becoming more and more efficient. also remember that electricity is not always used right next to where it is produced. it is feasible to replace nearly all a country's oil produced electricity with that from alternative sources.
i agree that an awful lot of 'green' things have a miniscule effect. might as well use them but don't expect them to make much difference.
finally onto the science - well it's pretty much been proven that global warming is happening and generally agreed (by scientists, not just out of work politicians) it has been caused by human activity - not a risk worth taking because a few (usually oil company sponsored) individuals are adament it isn't.
@iriscot (1289)
• United States
29 Jul 09
Electricity generating windmills have been around for along time. In the 1930s and 40s several farmers in our area had "Windchargers" in their yards. They were developed and sold by the Zenith corporation located in Chicago. They simply charged car batteries that were used to power radios.
An electric car was designed and leased by GM to persons in California and the oil lobby killed that deal. This was several years ago and the persons with these cars tried to buy them, but GM reclaimed all of them and transported them to a "crusher", this was documented by film. So if that hadn't happened, we could have been driving electric cars for several years and not be dependent on foreign oil. New and better batteries are being developed, so a dumping ground for worn out batteries shouldn't be a problem.
If I were a lot younger or had todays' technology concerning solar cells when I built our home, our roof would be covered with them.
Thanks for the posting jb.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
28 Jul 09
If they can make it work for their population, then more power to them.
Here in the US, there are thousands of farmers almost begging power companies to transform their farms into windfarms. T. Boone Pickens pledged billions towards wind projects.
Now, T. Boone is trying to rid himself of the windmills he already put money into, and the farmers pleas are falling on deaf ears.
There might be a future for wind power, and I wish nations nothing but the best in harnassing it for their people, but here in the US, with our population and our energy needs, we can't put all our eggs in the wind power basket.
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@308369666 (111)
• China
29 Jul 09
I do not agree with your point of view, first of all, the biggest emitter of carbon dioxide is the United States, China has many, but not the largest, as well as pollution emissions in China, most companies are foreign companies.Foreing companies when in fact the emission of carbon dioxide in China, I admit that China's pollution is very serious. But you should also be true in China to take effective measures to control pollution, to see his kind do not just look ai the results, but also the process, China is now in the process.
@jb78000 (15139)
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29 Jul 09
yes, i've just seen reports on chinese renewables. the usa used to be the biggest producer of emissions but recently (apparently) china become the biggest - although of course the us produces far more per person than china. by the way i am most definitely not from the states. here's the link about relative emissions:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/jul/28/china-greenhouse-gas-emissions-greenpeace
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
28 Jul 09
Hello Jb. I hear much in the US about developing wind farms and alternative sources for energy and fuel. I do think it is a move long needed, and yes, I have already cut waaaay back on driving, as have many Americans. It is not a bother.
Karen
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@jb78000 (15139)
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29 Jul 09
hiya, to be honest i don't know exactly how things are going in that way in the usa. in europe some countries, for example germany, have greatly cut down on fossil fuel consumption, while others, for example the uk, have not. i don't think things like closing windfarms (latest national news) are really the way forward... by the way thanks for joining in yet another of my discussions.
@dasaribalajee (16)
• India
29 Jul 09
these countries have the resources to drastically cut emission although it would lead to some changes for citizens.