Obama's Vacation a breech of American Trust
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
United States
July 30, 2009 1:52pm CST
In a time when the average American is counting every penny and cutting coupons as though they're going out of style our President has set up a lovely Multi-million dollar vacation to Martha's Vineyard. Now how do you suppose that a man making the salary of a president ($200,000 yr.) can afford such a lavish retreat? He is using tax payers money. Bush was no saint but his vacation time was spent at his own home not costing us millions. Now I have no issue with a man taking his family on vacation but as we are in the middle of some serious issues he should wait until it is a proper time besides spending an extravagant amount of hard working taxpayers cash. We are suppose to trust this man with our tax money, health care, and military and yet we cannot even trust him to live within his means? I know that we will not all agree with everything the man does but it is diffrent to know he can be trusted and disagree with something then to feel as though he has cheated us.
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@qdietz (244)
• United States
30 Jul 09
He has money from elsewhere, he did not use taxpayer money for that retreat. Also one of these places are bound to give him one hell of a discount.
This guy deserves a vacation more than any of us I believe, he works tons, has SO MUCH responsibility, I cannot think of anyone who has more responsibility in the world.
He is NOT spending tax payer money, so he has not cheated us.
Obama has made about 2 million in Royalties, his wife makes 320k a year and Obama makes 200k for being a president.
Keep in mind that as a president, almost all expenses are paid for as you are constantly traveling, meeting people etc... so he does not spend all that much.
When you think about it, when he is spending his money he is stimulating the economy, so he is actually even helping a bad situation!
You have been misinformed and therefore based your argument on false facts, making it false.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I hope you know that he didn't spend his money in another country, Martha's Vinard is in the United States. I like Chicago myself, but that doesn't mean that everyone has to vacation there. Bush didn't vacation in Texas every time he went on vacation, so I don't think that Obama should do the same.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
30 Jul 09
yes the people of Martha's Vineyard are very hard up for money. If He wanted to stimulate the economy let him go home to Chicago and stay at a hotel there! Yes his travel is covered by the peoples money and it is not I say again that he is taking a vacation but the absurd price. Hey he makes money great! So did Bush and he went to his own home, or to somewhere that could actually stimulate the economy.
Also where did anyone see that He is Paying this for himself since this is part of the perks the President gets.
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I think you are absolutely right the poster of this discussion did not realize that the vineyard is our economy lol
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@phildozer (284)
• United States
30 Jul 09
He has every right to use the money hes accrued through his life. He himself has said that its not tax payer money hes using, its his money. The man works a 24/7 job, and his wife and kids barely see him. Presidents have escaped to fancy retreats since the beginning of our country. Being angry at this is like being angry at Bill gates spending his money to go to a seaside resort somewhere. its doesnt make sense.
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@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
30 Jul 09
As I said I have NO issue with his vaction though many would hold off until things where a bit more settled, my issue is with the money. Part of his job description allows for monies to be used to support his travels of ANY kind. That is fine it is the amount that staggers me.
He is no Bill Gates. The money that he has made public as having, made during his lifetime, is no where near the amount to make this an economical trip. Cheap places in the area start at $30,000 a night and that is the bare minimum. The 13 days he is saying they will take at that rate would cost one and a half times his salary. Politicians are rich but not that rich. Also the AP (the fact that a statement was made means they know a line has been stepped on) coming out saying it is OK to spend money like this because it will "historically enrich" the area is a crock. He has little girls who I would put my money down to say would have a better time at Disney world the stuffy old Martha's Vineyard.
@phildozer (284)
• United States
30 Jul 09
and the pres makes $400,000 a year with full benefits anyway, not 200000
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
30 Jul 09
Big jobs come with big benefits. I am not going to begrudge a guy a vacation he is entitled to take, like every other executive in the country. and he had plenty of money already when he got in to office, I am not going to fault a guy for making money. He certainly isn't the firt president to take a vacation in hard economic times, he won't be the last. Lets give the guy and his family a break on this one. We have much bigger issues with this administration to deal with and pull apart.
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@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
30 Jul 09
So what you are actually implying is that the president and his family should remain prisoners of their home? After all how much does it cost for the the girls to go to school with the private drivers and body guards. What about the day they go out shopping for some clothes? How much does that cost. This is getting rediculous. You have no issue with him taking his family on vacation as long as it is where you think he should be going right. No matter how you put it it would be a multi million dollar vacation for him. Or should he just have to go to your local motel 8?
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
31 Jul 09
He chose this job and what he does is our business as we are all responsible for what he does. Yes, the shopping can be absurd and I never said I didn't have an issue with it. Some of our greatest Presidents came forward during times like the depressions (yes we had more then one) and not only spoke of frugality but did it themselves as examples to the people they where leading. What is wrong with expecting this man to lead by example or are you saying he is unable to do so?
@grammasnook (1871)
• United States
31 Jul 09
Evidently you did not understand what I was saying. It takes thousands of dollars just for anyone one of them to walk out the door. You stated that it is 30 thousand a night when it is in fact 35 thousand for the whole time he is there, right there you were mislead or misunderstood and reported wrong information. It isnt like the president has chosen to fly half way around the world with his family. He is going to Martha's Vineyard for crying out loud.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
31 Jul 09
You where right I re looked it up about the cost but you too are wrong. The place he is staying is $50,000 a week they are going for a day shy of 2 weeks, This is the amount given during an interview on ABC Morning show and a couple other articles. I've no problem correcting myself.
@matersfish (6306)
• United States
31 Jul 09
I read the responses and I think some people are missing the bigger point.
President Obama, by his own actions, time and again, is about symbolism. The American President is a symbol of America.
I have no problem with the President vacationing wherever he deems fit, but at the same time, he's preaching to the American people, at least 4 times a week, that we're in big financial trouble -- we need to change our ways.
I don't really see this as a big deal. But at the same time, it would be nice if our President wasn't throwing money around, you know.
I know for a fact that a whole lot of Obama supporters feel he is truly superior to ordinary men. I know that a lot feel anything he does is worthy of support, since he's on that loney hilltop of infallible morality. But it wouldn't hurt anything for the President to vacation somewhere a little less lavish, a little less expensive.
Barack Obama being connected to the people and being able to be America's savior isn't a standard I hold him up to. It's a standard he holds himself up to. Outside of his circle of supporters, which is still rather encompassing, I think his spending habits reflect poorly on the man.
At a time when, by his own repetitive words, America is suffering, he has managed to spend more money than anyone else on the face of the planet. What a great gesture it would be to tamp down his personal spending.
If he doesn't, oh well. It's no world-changing event. However, the way he chooses to present himself in those town hall meetings and those press conferences kind of dodos out when he's ready to toast the town.
It becomes another example of his actions not matching his rhetoric. And, no matter how you slice it, that's disconcerting.
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@tessrow (92)
• United States
31 Jul 09
I'm a bit confused by this. If I recall correctly, the Republicans want to cut taxes on the richest people, and ensure that those taxes stay low. This, they claim, will allow the rich to spend their money, and that money will "trickle down" to the less fortunate, making everyone richer.
You're wrong about the taxpayers paying for this, but I think people have let you know this by now. You're wrong about him not living within his means; I suspect you know that too, now. It helps to get your fact straight before you start making accusations, because those are pretty big things to get wrong.
But aren't you going against conservative theory entirely when you say that the Obamas should save their money? Aren't they SUPPOSED to spend it, so that the wealth can trickle down to the less fortunate? Isn't that the heart and soul of trickle-down economics in the first place?
Are you saying Reagan was wrong and his policies were "cheating" us? If it's true for Obama, it must be true for the Republicans who originated this theory. Right?
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
31 Jul 09
Who said I was a republican conservatist. I don't agree with aspects of either parties notions. Get your own facts right. Between Reaganomics and The Clinton's sell all our nation has been lead purely by greed and I am sorry if you do not like that I believe this vacation of excess is just another depressing sign that yet another greedy leader has entered the white house. Yes yes I know that can be said about any politician and there alone resounds the bigger problem. We need people in office who will do what is best for our nation not their pocket, or any corporations pocket. We need to get rid of both parties and start fresh.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
1 Aug 09
yes yes I was. I think that spending gross amounts of money on anything is just excessive. That in the end is why our country is in ruins and it is our President's jobs to lead us not only by making decisions but by example. hat is part of their job it is what they signed up for. I also have to ask is it wrong that I believe money should not be squandered? There are plenty of vacations this man could have gone on that would not cost this much money and it really isn't that he wants or goes on vacation it is that he get's up in front of our nation talking about cutting down our house hold expenditures whether we can afford them or not and yet does this when he turns around. I cannot trust anyone who blatantly preaches "do as I say not as I do" by his actions. Bush was no saint, but many of his vacations where to his own home where the media made a big deal out of him working to clear his land (even if it was too often). Like I said it is not so much the vacation as the image it gives off. Yes he should try to show us that the end will come but for goodness sakes don't get up and talk about how the average household "....must learn to not spend money on vacations, electronics and un-need items....". Then spend, spend, spend, with the whole nation watching. It just rankles me.
@tessrow (92)
• United States
31 Jul 09
I'm curious. Were you this upset by George W. Bush's vacations? Were you this upset when GWBush spent millions of dollars of government funds to fly Osama bin Laden's family out of the United States immediately following the attacks on the World Trade Center? Which one do you think is worse: Obama's self-financed vacation, or Bush's state-financed airlift for the bin Ladens?
Whether Obama is paying for his own vacation, and whether or not he has the means to pay for such a vacation, is actually a matter of public record. So you do have some responsibility to find out facts that are in public record before you make accusations that are untruthful.
Your opinions are not part of the public record. Expecting others to "get their facts straight" about your everchanging opinions is not a productive exercise. The two issues are not comparable.
I suspect you know THAT, as well.
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
30 Jul 09
When government officials, including the President take vacation this is a good thing. We, America can fix our own problem, we do not need governments help. Let the man and his family take as much time off as possible. Same goes for Congress as little time up in Washington D.C is a good thing. They cannot fix anything, it is not governments role to do so in the first place. Remember Federally elected officials are elected only to protect the Constitution from foreign and domestic enemies, not to protect the economy from recession.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
30 Jul 09
True but then they shouldn't dump our money into fixing it and let us deal with it.
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@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Very true but they will not let anyone get their hands on that one. Our country is on a slippery slope and we are sliding down it fast.
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@sid556 (30960)
• United States
31 Jul 09
I have heard that he is not using taxpayer money so I really, really don't care where he goes for his vacation. What he does with his own money is not our business. It really isn't. If it were in fact the taxpayers money then I could see the issue. It is not our business to decide if he is or is not living within his means. He's running our country....let's hope he can balance his own personal budget. I don't feel cheated by him.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
30 Jul 09
Presidents go on vaction, or two of our last three went on vacation far more than any others. Specificly George H.W. Bush who spent over a year on vacation (note that he was president for only 1 term so he spent more than 25% of his time in office on vacation). It doesn't bother me one bit that he is taking a vacation, if congress isn't in session it isn't like he can do anything to change anything during this time. As you recall, our last president spent alot of time on vacation as well, even though he spent time at his house, it was the amount of time he spent there that upset many (especially before 9/11).
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
31 Jul 09
Even if Obama was spending the US tax payer dollars for this vacation, I would still rather have that happen, then a corporation offering him a vacation (like what happens all the time to congressmen). Just last year my one of my representatives spent a week in Alaska, he was wined and dinned by the oil lobby to see how safe it would be for them to drill up there. Of course the weather was to bad for them to actually see were they are going to drill at, it didn't stop him from telling us how save it would be to drill there, and how the animals actually want them to drill. I am sure you don't have to guess where HE stands on this issue.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
31 Jul 09
So using your logic from your other post, President Obama should entertain foreign leaders in Detroit while on vacation, so they could will feel more free to talk while dodging bullets. Wasn't one of those times that Bush was entertaining foreign leaders when he said he looked into the eyes of Vladimire Putin and saw soul, and then captured his heart (boy was he WRONG about that one). What is to say that Obama isn't going to do the same thing while he is on vacation.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
31 Jul 09
I agree that the President shouldn't take "gifts" from any corporation at all. But would also like to point out that Bush did have meetings with many foreign ambassadors and Presidents at his own home feeling as this would lead a more friendly personal feel to the meetings. I am not sure I like that idea personally but he did do work from the ranch so not all of that time was vacation. Though I barely call entertaining royalty a job for the President.
@crysontherocks77 (1273)
• United States
30 Jul 09
I think its kind of crazy, but every time that they take a trip on air force its like a million dollars to go and come back.But every president that has been president has done this kind of thing. why point out that Obama is doing it too. Its known across the land the allowances that the presidents use to do things on there own time.
@OpinionatedLady (5965)
• United States
31 Jul 09
Why point it out? Why ignore it? This should have been an issue with any and every president. We the people are expected to tone down our life styles to fit our economical situations yet the last several presidents we have had have not done this at all. We should be expecting more from these people not letting it slide, and we wonder why our nation is falling apart.