On CARS.GOV: "Your Computer becomes the Federal Governments"..?
@revellanotvanella (4033)
United States
August 1, 2009 2:58pm CST
Have you heard about CARS.GOV agreement? How do you explain it?
"This application provides access to the DoT CARS system. When logged on to the CARS system, your computer is considered a Federal computer system and is the property of the U.S. Government. Any or all uses of this system and all files on this system may be intercepted, monitered, recorded, copied, audited, inspected, and disclosed to authorized CARS, DoT, and law enforcement personnel, as well as authorized officials of other agencies, both domestic and foreign."
1. The National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) will be administering the program.
2. "Car dealers, not consumers, will need to register for the program on www.cars.gov; the only official Federal website. Dealer registration for the CARS program started on 7/24/2009." [http://www.cashforclunkersfacts.com/]
3. The NHTSA Final Rule requires dealers to disable engine with Sodium Silicate before submitting their paperwork for reimbursement. You can buy Sodium Silicate solution online at www.cheap-chemicals.com .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A [that sounds is creepy!!]
4. According to Cars.gov, your trade in must:
(where are these cars going?)
# have a “new” combined city/highway fuel economy of 18 miles per gallon or less
# be in drivable condition (With Sodium Silicate in it?)
# be continuously insured and registered to the same owner for the full year preceding the trade-in
# The trade-in vehicle must have been manufactured not earlier than 25 years before the date of trade in and, in the case of a category 3 vehicle, must also have been manufactured not later than model year 2001
5 responses
@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
1 Aug 09
If I was an auto dealer under no circumstances would I agree to this. I would just have to do without. I am not allowing the federal government access to any part of my computer. Personal I think this whole clunker program is a big waste of time just so we can see a quick pick up in the economy, with a drop off to come. What is going to happen after the car program is over? Are the cars just going to keep selling without any incentive? I doubt it. Also we are destroying used auto's which will make it harder for a teenager wanting to attain their first ride. Teenagers, unless they come from a wealth family just cannot afford a new auto, so they buy a used auto.
@tessrow (92)
• United States
1 Aug 09
Obviously any dealer has the right to forego the stimulus and not participate. It's not mandatory by any means. I think it's fairly amusing that you're saying that you're "not allowing the government access to any part of your computer"; you are aware that by the terms of the Patriot Act, they can monitor your computer any time you're hooked up to the Internet (like now) any time they please? And they aren't paying you a thing for the privilege.
All military contractors sign similar agreements. I don't know why it's so shocking when it's a car dealership.
@tessrow (92)
• United States
1 Aug 09
I don't know. It's one of two great disappointments I've had with President Obama, the other being his granting immunity to telecommunications companies who surrendered our private information to the government under Bush.
I felt both of these acts were betrayals of those who voted for him. I realise every president has some of those, but these seemed awfully big to me. People make comments about him going on vacation or other trivia, and they seem to ignore these two REAL issues for which he justly has earned censure.
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@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
2 Aug 09
Oh damn, you beat me to the punch. I was about to write the same topic, but it looks like i'm not the only one to find out about this.
I've also found out about this site Cars.gov, and I got sites to back them up. I found out about it from Abovetopsecret.com, and then from Atlas Shrugs. Scary, freaky stuff indeed to go to a website that lets the government force open your computer to their sights and letting them snoop around.
I was tempted at first to go in there to see if they're right or not, but i'd rather not take that risk and let my own government snoop around and look into my computer, or even my hard drive. To make things worse, their snoopery is LEGAL! LEGIT!
No. I'm going to turn my computers into digital my islands. I'm not letting them get to any of them OR my hard drives at all.
I expected something like this from Bush's admin, but from Obama's? I'm already paying attention to sites like Jihad Watch, Atlas Shrugs, The Religion of Peace, AboveTopSecret, etc., and with Obama's latest treasonous actions that he's done, i'm glad and proud that I didn't vote at all. Not once in my life.
I'm a neutral.
http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2009/08/carsgov-gives-obamas-administration-complete-access-to-your-computer.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oy8wgS69xjI&feature=channel_page
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20090731144632AAWdOIz
http://www.businessandmedia.org/articles/2009/20090731195723.aspx
@DuoMaxwell (953)
• United States
2 Aug 09
I'm just being cautious, that's all, but i'll look more into the Patriot Act in the meantime.
@tessrow (92)
• United States
2 Aug 09
Um, you do realise that unless you are a dealer who is participating in the program, none of this applies to you? And that generally speaking, the same sort of agreement applies to anyone serving as an agent of the government with access to the federal computer network? This is nothing new, military contractors sign the same agreement whenever they work on government projects.
I think you're overreacting a wee bit. The Patriot Act is far more a threat to your personal computer information than the CARS.GOV website will ever be.
@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
2 Aug 09
yea, wondered why we would need
Cybersecurity act, waiting for them to declare this state of emergency--ill miss fellow mylotters
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
2 Aug 09
I heard about disabling cars on the radio today, a car dealer called in and described the process. I don't understand why these cars must be destroyed! Where's all that scrap metal going? Pretty soon teens and people with very little money won't be able to get cars because there won't be any old clunkers to serve as first cars or cheap old beaters to get to work in. This is another blow to the middle class.
@spalladino (17891)
• United States
1 Aug 09
"# be in drivable condition (With Sodium Silicate in it?)"
This is before they put the sodium silicate in it. In other words, they don't want folks bringing in non-running vehicles. That would defeat the purpose of the program.
I also agree with Tess about accessing government networks.
@tessrow (92)
• United States
1 Aug 09
When you are logged into the Federal System as an agent (like most military contractors are, by the way) you have access to their computer network. This is fairly standard, and as a result, they have the right to monitor what you are doing on their system, and to treat you as a contract employee. The car dealer has the right not to participate in the program, and in that case of course their computer systems won't be monitored. It's strictly voluntary.
These cars are being destroyed and scrapped. The intent is twofold; to stimulate the auto industry by promoting the sale of new, higher fuel efficiency vehicles, and to get rid of older vehicles which produce higher emissions of pollutants and which have lower fuel economy.
@revellanotvanella (4033)
• United States
1 Aug 09
so the dealer becomes like the DoT, ok, thanks for explanation