Obama Lie!
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 5, 2009 1:33pm CST
What Obama Said:
“First of all, if you’ve got health insurance, you like your doctors, you like your plan, you can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan. Nobody is talking about taking that away from you.”
What the House Bill says:
(a) GRANDFATHERED HEALTH INSURANCE COV4
ERAGE DEFINED.—Subject to the succeeding provisions of
5 this section, for purposes of establishing acceptable cov6
erage under this division, the term ‘‘grandfathered health
7 insurance coverage’’ means individual health insurance
8 coverage that is offered and in force and effect before the
9 first day of Y1 if the following conditions are met:
10 (1) LIMITATION ON NEW ENROLLMENT.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Except as provided in
12 this paragraph, the individual health insurance
13 issuer offering such coverage does not enroll
14 any individual in such coverage if the first ef15
fective date of coverage is on or after the first
16 day of Y1.
Page 16 http://edlabor.house.gov/documents/111/pdf/publications/AAHCA-BillText-071409.pdf
So as long as you don't try to change insurance coverage or companies, you can keep what you got. However, you can't change insurance coverage or doctors once the magic date has past.
Once again, Obama shows that his words mean absolutely nothing.
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6 responses
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
5 Aug 09
Exactly. You must have the coverage before the health care reform bill goes into effect and you can't change it. The insurer can't make changes either, or it's considered new enrollment and that is forbidden.
What is very annoying is that if a health care bill that simply offered affordable coverage or subsidized coverage for those who can't afford insurance or who have no job were to be offered, more Americans would be in favor of it. It wouldn't cost trillions of dollars. The apparatus to run such a program is already basically there with the Medicare program and could simply be extended to include this program.
But just last month, Obama mentioned his plan as a way to "discipline" the insurance companies. He also is referring to his plan as "health insurance reform" rather than "health care reform". The point of the program is not to provide insurance for just those who need it. The point is to take over the health insurance industry and to put the health insurers out of business.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Aug 09
Yup, the last thing Obama, Pelosi or Reid have in mind is making medical care affordable in the US. If that was their goal, they would simply do it.
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@Maggiepie (7816)
• United States
5 Aug 09
[b]Stoopit rightwing maroon. Hater. Rush is fat.
(Sorry...didn't see any of the usual Obuttkissers here, so there was a void. Gotta fill in them holes, y'know. Way to go, Ted! 
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Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]
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Maggiepie
"WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Aug 09
So you admit that justice, fairness or health care aren't your motives for supporting this bill. You just want mindless, inhuman, revenge.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
5 Aug 09
So let me get this straight. I can keep my employer supplied health insurance as long as they never change jobs.If they change jobs they have to go on the gov plan. ANd when our kids grow up and enter the work force they won't have the choice. They will have to go with a gov. plan.
So this is just forcing people into gov. healthcare. But instead of doing it all at once it will happen more slowly. My kid's generation will all be on gov. healthcare. And seeing how people tend to change jobs a lot.....in 10 years a lot of american will be on this plan.
So where is the choice here? Socialized medicine now or socialized medicine in a generation. It amounts to the same thing. The gov. is taking choices from us and dictating part of our lives to us.
We have to defeat this bill. Not just for us but for future generations.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
5 Aug 09
That's why Obama said "But I don't think we're going to be able to eliminate employer coverage immediately. There's going to be potentially some transition process. I can envision a decade out or 15 years out or 20 years out." He knows it will take a little time before they've run the insurance companies out of business and transitioned everyone over to his government-run health care plan. He DOES plan to eliminate employer coverage, it's just going to take time. Keep it for now, but he'll get it away from you in the end.
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
5 Aug 09
So let me get this right. The democrats believe in the right to choice when it comes to having a child. But not when it comes to my healthcare?
How messed up is that.
I am pro choice....on just about everything. Choice is good. Options are good.
Why can't they see that?
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@phildozer (284)
• United States
5 Aug 09
Read the bill yourself and stop listening drinking that fox news cola! no where does it say that you cant choose a private insurer, it just says past y1 those private insurers will be subject to minimum standards set by the government to keep the health insurance crooks from robbing us.
@smileonstar (4007)
• United States
6 Aug 09
That's what happened to me. I haven't go to the doctor for quiet sometimes and when I went there last month and they couldn't find my file and guess what? they said they no long accept my plan. I was what???? no way. then I fought with them for like hours and hours to make sure they look over again for me. I called the main office and they said I can still use the same doctor I have now and if I wish to change then it will be different. then the doctor decided to take me back... I almost in trouble.
I think he tries his best for this but time changed and he has to do what he has to do now... i can't blame him cuz our economy is super bad and it makes the whole thing go bad
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
6 Aug 09
The health care bill has nothing to do with fixing the economy.
@belhaven14 (454)
• United States
5 Aug 09
Of course he is lying to you. How else can he convince you to give him more money? Oh wait, hes going to lie to you about that too and tell you that you will get a tax break. The government is getting out of control. The insurance system could use some help. But it is still part of the best health care system in the world. Hopefully the government will let it stay that way.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
5 Aug 09
ParaTed,
Yes, Obama is a liar, nothing new to report there. This has been his goal, regardless of his protests otherwise,from the very beginning! He and his administration with the help of his minions in congress have already taken control of the financial, housing and automobile industries and now his coup continues with the health industry. Pretty soon we will be seeing USSA (United Socialist States of America) instead of USA.
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@swaugh10 (15)
• United States
6 Aug 09
Obama makes me sick. I hope all the yuppies who voted him in are paying attention to what he is doing. During the election, it was disturbing to see that a huge amount of voters could not even give a synopsis of why they were voting for him. This "health care" bill is going to further drive the middle class down.
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@phildozer (284)
• United States
5 Aug 09
Youve taken it out of context, read the area surrounding the bill, and it will tell you that the grandfather clause is saying that anyone who has a plan before y1 will keep it as is, meaning no govt regulations on it, as will all the new private insurance plans. If you look at page 19 and 72, they clearly state that any new private plan that you wish to purchase will be subject to the exchange, which is the government determining if the plan you wish to buy is sufficient or not
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
5 Aug 09
Yes, but once the magic date in 2013 comes and goes then you CAN"T CHANGE YOUR POLICY OR YOUR INSURANCE. Not only that, but your insurance company can't offer you any new coverage. Nor can your employer use any incentives to promote private insurance.
In other words, yes, you can keep what you have, but as of 2013, you can't change anything.
Pull your nose out of Obama's butt, the air is much better out here.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
6 Aug 09
Rollo, they want it to be a "something for nothing" thing.
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
6 Aug 09
Which basically means phil, that if the government health exchange doesn't approve of that plan, you can't have it anymore because they can't offer it. It's naive to think that the government is only going to make sure they are sufficient, they are going to make sure they offer what the government wants them to and don't offer what the government doesn't want them to. Having control over what private health insurers can offer you reduces your options, it does not increase them.
Can you think of any reason the government can't offer you an option without restricting all the other options?
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