Prs. Obama is committing a federal crime.
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 7, 2009 12:38pm CST
Many of you know about flag@whitehouse.gov. It is an email address specifically for people to report "disinformation" being passed around the internet about Healthcare Reform.
From the White House website:
"There is a lot of disinformation about health insurance reform out there, spanning from control of personal finances to end of life care. These rumors often travel just below the surface via chain emails or through casual conversation. Since we can’t keep track of all of them here at the White House, we’re asking for your help. If you get an email or see something on the web about health insurance reform that seems fishy, send it to flag@whitehouse.gov."
What Obama and his henchmen forget is, it is illegal for them to "keep track of all of them".
In the US, we have this thing called, "Freedom of Speech". It's none of the government's business to know what anyone is saying in opposition, or support of them. If we want the government to know how we feel, for or against, a policy or politician, we can send our thoughts to them. They also have the right to ask us how we feel.
Prs. Obama and other White House people are committing a crime. They are breaking
US Code, TITLE 5, PART I, CH 5, Sub II, Sec 552a.
http://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/5/552a.html
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
7 Aug 09
There are a number of ways to look at this. If it is a rumor control and counter campaign and not to keep track of who is actually saying what or a "snitch" program, I suppose it is not too terrifying. HOWEVER, let's understand something, just the fact that they could use this information, even if it is ilegal to do so (not that that ever stops them) is enough so that we should respond to it with a resounding "NO". It leaves too many doors open, it creates the atmosphere of a police state. Imagine if this had been done back when the patriot act was being pushed through?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Aug 09
JB, the staffers manning the email are already on the payroll. There is a whole room full of people whose entire job is to read the emails to the White House.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
All they have to do to legally "keep track" of it is do is use the search engines.
It's funny, they say they need a special email address, but the rest of us seem to keep up with the information just fine without one.
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@peavey (16936)
• United States
7 Aug 09
I read about that yesterday. There's an interesting article on it here:
http://www.gopusa.com/theloft/?p=1794
What interested me the most was the responses! I think we should all use that email address to turn ourselves in, or to turn Obama in or something. If we blitz the email address with benign emails (not "turning in" anyone in reality), maybe they'll realize how many disagree with them? Or will it matter... I can dream, I guess.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
7 Aug 09
It sounds so folksy and warm, doesn't it? We can't keep track of all this stuff, but you can help.
Of course as soon as the first outcry began, the White House assured us that they aren't going to be maintaining records on these emails. However, the phrase "we can't keep track of them all" makes that claim a lie.
There are only two possibilities here: Either the Obama administration is just too stupid to realize that they are breaking the law and violating the citizen's rights by making this appeal; or they know it's unlawful and it's planned to be unlawful because they don't expect the media to inform the people just what it is they are doing and how dangerous it is.
By the way, Obama only needs your IP address to find out everything about you.
This is taken from a post at FreeRepublic:
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2308987/posts
"Congress adopted the Broadband Data Improvement Act in 2008 to compile of map of the nation showing which areas have broadband and which do not. The National Telecommunications and Information Administration is getting the information, but the Obama Administration has decided to use the NTIA to get more than the law requires.
Beyond the general data on which parts of the nation have high speed internet access and is it cable or DSL, Obama wants to know down to the individual what the individual has and how much the individual pays. Specifically, the NTIA is now requiring internet provides to give the government “average revenue per end user and data regarding type, technical specification or location of broadband infrastructure,” i.e. your home address, IP address, how much you pay, and where the connection is at your house.
The law does not require it. Congress does not want it. The NTIA admits the information will not be used to compile the map of national broadband, but Barack Obama still wants it. "
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
By law, they have to keep every email they get. They can't say they aren't keeping the information.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
7 Aug 09
I didn't like this when I first heard about it and was unaware that it was against a specific code but it seems that it is. One thing I did notice while reading the code is that "individuals" have the right to see what records are being kept by the "agency". Wouldn't it be a kick in their a$$es if they received thousands of requests from "individuals" asking for copies of any records the "agency" has? That would really keep them busy...I'm just sayin......
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
The thing is, they also are required to keep all emails on record. So this whole mess puts them in a place where they are breaking federal laws either way. They can't delete any personal information on the emails, but they also can't keep track of the personal information.
In other words, their is no way they can be in compliance with federal law, no matter how careful they try to be with the personal information.
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@ulalume (713)
• United States
7 Aug 09
If you actually read these paragraphs he is not infringing on your freedoms. I think the focus is to "set the record straight" regarding his health care reform plan. If all these rumors are popping up, how are people supposed to know what is correct? People can still freely say whatever they desire, and from the looks of things you are inadvertently supporting rumors over the truth.
I am by no means a Obama supporter, but I try not to whine about every little thing he does. Nor do I attempt to blow it out of proportion. If you want to examine someone taking away your freedoms, go back a year to President Bush taking away rights such as habeus corpus (among others).
Additionally, this is not an issue of what someone is saying for or against Obama. It is an issue of people spreading false rumors (AKA: lies) and making it difficult for Obama to actually get anything done due to everyone believing said lies. Obama has a freedom of speech too. The freedom to clear his name and inform the public of what he wants. However, this is not possible to do if he can not be aware of what people are saying regarding his health care plans.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
They are in direct voilation of the law. Does that mean nothing to you?
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@Carson11 (332)
• United States
8 Aug 09
He does other things that are illegal or close to it.Look at the Crysler deal where the bond holders who had rights to all funds available before anyone else.They got $.29 on the dollar and some of them claim they were threatened by White House officals.Also the czars are not subject to approval and can't be brought before congress to testify under oath.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Aug 09
Yes, there are other crimes, but this one is about this crime.
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@flowerchilde (12529)
• United States
8 Aug 09
..just imagine the response/outrage if Pres. Bush had ever made such a request concerning any one of his controversial policies.. which of course every thing he did or said was controversial and picked apart from start to finish by opponents and media/opponents.. remember how inflamed everyone got when they started monitoring calls to and from known terrorists? Imagine Pres Bush calling for reports to be sent in against those opposing..
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@GardenGerty (160615)
• United States
8 Aug 09
That does make me feel uncomfortable. I do not want to be tracked. I want my privacy, and I can be skeptical if I want to. It is my opinion. I can (at least for now) say what I want to, as long as it is not libelous or slanderous. I want to keep it that way. That is a part of freedom of speech.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
8 Aug 09
We are getting closer and closer to being subject to the old slogan "BIG BROTHER IS WATCHING YOU!" I am really getting a very uncomfortable feeling to know that my "FREEDOM??? of speech is not so free and we are under surveillance. This reminds me of Hitler when he encouraged everyone to turn in their friends and family, even children (Hitlers Youth) were encouraged to turn in their parents.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
7 Aug 09
While you know I don't like the collecting of information by the Whitehouse when it comes to health care reform dissent, I question if this violates the law. The law you cite is in the case of individuals, and I haven't yet uncovered anything that says the Whitehouse can't collect information for purposes of debunking what they feel are myths.
Exactly what part of the law pertains to this issue? I haven't been able to find it in that confusing jumble of legal jargon.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
7 Aug 09
Oh, and here's an idea that was proposed by someone else on on another website. The White House wants disinformation regarding health care reform, correct? So it's simple, we send every speech Obama and every other government official has made in regards to pushing health care reform.
Let them rebut that.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
When they get the emails, they have the personal information. They have also stated that they aren't keeping the personal information. They can't delete the emails once they receive them, and they can't collect personal information.
But you're right, they are the authors of all sorts of disinformation. In their own explanation of the purpose of the email address even. A quick search of the bill reveals there are sections on End of Life and collection of personal financial information.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Aug 09
parated on what do you base this vile claim? he is trying to
keep his c ampagain promises and all the republicans aree on
his case because he is for the little people who dont have
health insurance and are working their butts off just to
support and feed their families.all the republicans just
want to bash him maybe because he is sticking up for us
]not rich not prominent poor people. any rule can be twisted
to make obama look guilty.I wish people would stop with
this and get onto the important issues.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
Did you follow the link? It's pretty clear.
Yes, he is trying to keep a campaign promise, and that is good. However, that doesn't mean we have to support him, this particular bill, or his violation of this law.
Even if someone supports Universal or singly payer healthcare, that doesn't mean they support Obama, this particular plan, or violations of federal law.
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@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
7 Aug 09
This IS an important issue. Health Care Reform is important, and we are talking about an expensive overhaul of a system, while trying to prop up our shaky economy. I doubt it can be done, and so do others. If the White House is breaking the law to devalue dissent and push propaganda, it needs to be dealt with.
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@JennyMarie (366)
• United States
8 Aug 09
I wasn't going to comment on this thread but I have to after all I have been reading.
Hatley I am one of those little people who does not have health insurance, but I would rather continue that way instead of going with what is proposed in this health care bill.
I am not one to jump on a band wagon, but after much research on my own, not listening to all the talking heads on the TV. I feel this Health care bill will be bad for all people. Those with insurance and those without.
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@rodney850 (2145)
• United States
7 Aug 09
ParaTed,
Obama believes the constitution doesn't apply to him! He is above it and demonstrates this attitude with every assault he makes on our freedom and rights. After all, he is just doing this for our own well being!(slather on the sarcasm)
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
Yup, but that doesn't mean we have to believe it too. ;~D
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
8 Aug 09
I cringe to think of the NONSTOP, verbally abusive coverage this would be getting in hundreds of newspapers and dozens of TV networks and thousands of websites if Bush II was behind this.
People not outraged just need to come clean already. Fess up, people. Tell us you're scared of Al Sharpton and your own guilt so you pretend you don't see it. At least then you folks would make sense.
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Aug 09
Yup, if this was Dubya, the incompetent press would be all over it.
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@bziebarth (228)
• United States
7 Aug 09
Remember, left-wing progressives believe in conditional freedom of speech. American citizens have freedom of speech to the point that they agree with them. When the left-wing does not agree with what is being said then they should be silenced. However, they do this in many around about ways such as labeling the citizens as Nazis, extremists, or radicals. That way, they hope to keep people from hearing another point of view.
A good example is one senator's (MyLot's discussion submitter would not allow me to use the last name) statements about the town hall meeting that Arlen Specter had. He was very quick to label the statements and people as organized by the Republican Party because American citizens agree with the health care bill. The arrogance to think that every American agrees with them and any protest would have to be organized by the Republican Party. You can view the senator's video on my blog at http://www.brucesmoneyrants.com
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
7 Aug 09
Yup. The left have professional protest groups who pay people to do everything from simple demonstrations to harrassment and threats on their lives. But let a bunch of people stand up against the wishes of The Central Committee, and somehow THAT is crossing some line. lol
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@mehale (2200)
• United States
8 Aug 09
I had not heard about this until I saw your post on here. I haven't been able to keep up with the news too well lately as we have been running pretty hard. Thanks for the heads up, I have since checked out every source I can find about it and am in the process of writing to my senators to express my concerns and complaints. This is a very serious threat to our freedoms and our democracy in my opinion.
It is more than past time for American's to stand up and let our government know how we feel; we need to begin to take our government back and get them in check!
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@hotsummer (13837)
• Philippines
8 Aug 09
so they are tracking those comments and private emails. is that what the government doing. and those they can't tract they are asking the people concerned about this issue to send them email. i don't know why they have to know all about it. what is that about anyways, i am not from US and i don't know the big deal about it.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
8 Aug 09
The big deal is, what they are doing clearly violates the law.
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@frozenimage (464)
• United States
8 Aug 09
*sigh* Oh yea, Obama is giving change all right, in a bad way. I hope Obama knows how to turn America around, we have suffered enough as it is.
@Ima_C_Suvaya (431)
• United States
8 Aug 09
I wonder if the Pro0bama Mylotters have turned in the Anti0bama Mylotters for all the disinformation and fishyness being spread. I wonder how they feel as they are turning us in? Patriotic? Proud? Righteous? Maybe a 'take that, I told you so' kind of maliciousness? Will they sleep better tonight knowing they did their little part to drive a nail in the coffin of Individualism.
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