Creationism, Evolution, Or Creation at It's Best????

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Hello bird123!!! Well my belief is more towards the discoveries of quantum physics rather than the creation. I believe more in the evolution theory. The quantum physics says that this physical world is the illusion, it does not exist. Buddhist also believe that everything in this world is illusion and there is no god at all. In Vedanta, also there is this illusionary concept, and still say, they seem to be real because of the power of God. But the major focus of all these things is in the concept mind. Mind is the source of thoughts, or the thoughts or the minds are the same thing. They do not exist physically. Everything in this world is thoughts. This is the deepest spiritual teachings, or spiritual findings. Now we may literally understand this thing "oh this universe is the mirage, reflection of our thought." But to realize it is the difficult thing. To realize this thing means understanding the truth, i.e enlightenment. Another point why I support this concept of thoughts is that, if we look back at the history, we can find that the thoughts of living beings are also changing on and on. And with this changing thoughts the physical body we see is also changing. I believe it is our own mind that is the source of creation or god or knowing oneself rather than seeing like we are the children of God. The enlightened people like Eckhart, Osho say that they see god in that enlightened state and again try to say that this god is not the one that is described in any religious book. If we could control our source or mind, then we can see the whole new world or the new dimension of the world. May be that what is called the awakening or enlightenment. We can already realize the different dimension of life in our life. Take the example of a dream. Does that really exist. But when you are in the dream, your reality is your dream and this world is does not exist for you. And when you wake up, you say that this is reality and the dream is false. But for your mind there is no difference which one is reality. Both of them are real and that is only determined by the what present state you are in. What I like about Eckart Tolle is that, he always instruct people to focus on the present, because it is only the real thing. So, here I mean to say that the dreams are no more than the thoughts itself and it is another dimension. This world is another dimension. And the awakening may be another dimension of mind. And sometimes I wonder if so, why not heaven and hell are another dimension of life if exists. That's why I believe if anything that can save ourselves, then that is learning to control our mind. Learning to know the truth. We cant just sit comfortably in the table and keep writing just like me haha...There is always difference in the literal understanding knowledge and the realization. The only realization is the true knowledge.... Nice topic for discussion, bird123...keep posting...The above response is my view. I hope you have your own view, but just wanted to share what i believe...

You could of course go back an reread Genesis with a different point in mind than that the story was about Adam and Eve and that two people started the human race. What if that wasn't the point of the story? What if it was more about the escense of the Creator and not people, people always so full of themselves, the center of attention. The Book of Genesis or more correctly, Bere'shitt in the transliterated Hebrew, is about knowledge. The Creator was of superior knowledge to the humans and all who resided in Eden. The Humans wanted this knowledge. There was a tree in Eden whose fruit could supposedly provide this knowledge. The Creator forbade the humans access to this tree and the knowledge. The woman wanted this knowledge. The serpent or some such creature tempted the woman. She was weak and ate of the fruit and talked her man into doing the same. Because of this they lost their spot in paradise. They did not have the infinite knowledge of the Creator. The knowledge that "He" used to create all. This story was about knowledge. The Creator's knowledge. It was about the fact that "He" had it and we should acquire it, but we couldn't just take it. We would have to work for it by the sweat of our brow. We are surrounded by knowledge, but we have to acqire it in order to make use of it. The Creator is the source of all knowledge. That is how all things were created. First there had to be knowledge. It does not have a physical presence or being, but it is there. Shalom~Adoniah

I will refer you to my perspective on the creation of the world. Who created God? If God just existed as most believers believe, than why can the universe not just exist as well? The only way you can prove Creationism to to objectively prove a Creator. The problem with saying nothing existed, so the need for a Creator proves his existance is not accurate. I relate back to my earlier point, if God can exist on his own; so can every thing else. Perhaps it is the Pagans who worship the natural world who are accurate in their worship. The invisible man you call God is very similar to the physical world others equally call God.

The bible must not always be taken literally. Our human time might not be God's time. Take a look at the sequence of events in creation and of evolution. Does it make sense?

i've said this before but i think sciences and spirituality should have nothing to do with each other - they are completely different areas of understanding. many, including myself, have both but trying to explain one in terms of the other is pointless.

Some of your statements in the above blob of text assume a lot that you can not support. "the biggest problem I have with evolution is that God is not involved." True as far as we know but why is it a problem? "This physical world was created for the education of God's children." How do you know that? Did you have a private conversation with a god who told you this? "Everything is causal. Everything is action then reaction." Not necessarily so. Some things just are. "Random chance creates nothing." Are you sure? How do you know? " Things do not form in this physical world without somebody acting first." This is only an opinion, not a fact. "God wants you to ask questions." Are you sure? Did a god appoint you as its spokesperson? "We must get out of our box and try to think like God." Hard to do unless you have an intimate knowledge of the nature of god. ""It must be a physical universe with laws that allow for lessons for teaching. The universe needs causality, time, space, action and reaction along with choices and consequences."" Why? The universe we live in does not meet all of these conditions. "CREATION AT IT'S BEST!!!!!" An opinion but lacking any facts to support it.

I think the simplest and most profound reason that I believe in evolution (which is widely accepted as scientific fact, not merely a theory) over creationism is the plethora of evidence we have to support evolution. No one has yet found a solid piece of evidence to support creationism. I, like a few other posters on this topic, used to be a Christian. However, after growing up listening to the same stories, always having many doubts and questions, and never getting any answers (because no one has any that are based on anything other than blind faith), I have decided that it is hogwash that was created to control the population as a whole and make us be "good sheeple." I have studied biology, and thus evolution, for the good portion of a decade now, and not only am I fascinated with the subject, but it makes so much sense to me. I don't think most people realize exactly how much evidence we have in support of the evolutionary processes that have been in existence since the dawn of life on this planet. Every living thing around us has evolved from something else over millions of generations. Very small changes occuring over millions of years create new species. Some branch out - some die off, depending on a multitude of environmental and biological factors. I have taken classes where we have studied the anatomy of chordates (all animals that possess a spinal chord), and I have mapped the minute anatomical changes from one species to the next within each animal family, as well as the larger anatomical differences between larger animal classes. It is incredibly fascinating, and also very real. These changes are well understood and palpable. You can see how it happens right before your eyes. The one mutation that gives a species an advantage - either by filling a previously unfilled niche, or by allowing those individuals that possess that mutation to outcompete the more archaic species, eventually leading to its extinction - and eventually shows up in enough of the population to result in a new species. Creationism, to this day, is based on blind faith and conjecture. We haven't found any irrefutable evidence to support it. And people have been trying for over a thousand years.

Well in order to believe in evolution, which there is evidence for, you would have to accept that some parts of the bible aren't accurate (assuming you're christian). However, if youre going to believe in creationism, the bible does say that adam and eve were the first two humans I believe, so in order to create more children, eventually someone would have had to do their sister... in cain and able's case, it would be their mom. Sometimes its difficult to reconcile the bible and science. Im no longer a believer, but when I was a good little catholic boy, I still just accepted the fact that the bible probably wasn't 100% accurate all the time, and thus i came to believe in evolution.