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Will the US's Current Administration Give Rise to the Libertarian Party?
By bziebarth
@bziebarth (228)
United States
August 11, 2009 12:03pm CST
I wanted to get off of health care, for a moment. Over the last eight years, Republican led Congress and President "played nice" and did not fight like the Democrats now are. They spent too much money and made several blunders. Democrats are now proving that they are, at best, socialists. There appears to be a void of true conservatism. Will the actions of the US's current administration provide the fuel to allow the Libertarian Party to become a national contender?
I ask this question because of what is happening in the West. Several western states are now electing more Libertarians to their state Congress (both houses). I no longer call myself a Republican. I no longer relate to them. I am a Libertarian. If you do not know the difference, Libertarians basic tenant is "if it is not in the Constitution then it is not for the federal government to do". What this does is push the bulk of legislative power to the individual states.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Aug 09
Although I am not in lock step with the libertarian party, I do consider myself to be "libertarian" in many of my views. In my state (new hampshire) we often elect libertarians, or libertarians who run under major party lables to our state legislature.
I am also very much a federalist as you yourself seem to be, from your statement "if it is not in the Constitution then it is not for the federal government to do". What this does is push the bulk of legislative power to the individual states". this is the very cruxt of the 9th and 10th amendments to the constitution.
I have been saying right along that in order to take this country back, we must do so at the state level. Our states have the power to reign in the federal government and enforce it's propper place and role. We must put far more effort in this area. We must put state governments in that stand up for our states and their people. Governors and state legislators do NOT represent the federal government, they do not defer to it, they are not subserviant to it, they do not answer to it, the EXACT OPOSITE is the case in fact.
Many states have elections comming up next year. Get to know your local reps, get to know people who are considering running for sych offices. Get to know your governor and others who may be running for that office and ask your self, "who is this person going to represent? Are they going to be a governor/legislator for my state? Or are they going to be a puppet for the federal government? Do they fully understand the constitution and the limits it places on government?"
Those are all questions we must begin asking ourselves and of our elected servants and those who wish to run for such offices. Again, the ONLY sure way to peacefully take back this country is through our states, the federal government does not operate or even exist with out the condoning of the states and we can only do this by insisting on state governments that abide by that philosophy.
On another note, this may well be a good way to start making people realize that conservative/liberal is a false argument and choice, there is no difference in the republican and democratic parties on the libertarian/authoritarian scale, left/right is not the true difference.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Aug 09
I also want to comment that it was the Bush administration that really gave rise to the huge patriot/libertarian movement we are seeing now. Bush pulled so many blatently unconstitutional acts and grabbed so many powers to the executive office that were unprecidented, it brought to the surface, the ire that had been bubbling below. Another forum I am a member in spent the last couple years calling more attention to this abuse and most of these people were labled as "consipricy theorists" and "left wing nuts" these SAME people are still being labled "conspiricy theorists" but are now refered to as "right wing nuts".....things that make ya go "hmmm". Just more testimony to the whole false left/right divide being pushed on us by our elected servants and shill media outlets.
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@bziebarth (228)
• United States
11 Aug 09
I would agree that Republicans' movement away from conservative values and to the "middle" started the movement. Will the Democrats' current "sprint to the far left" cause Conservatives to "sprint to the right" and bypass the Republicans' current middle stance?
Your statements and questions show that Libertarian may be exactly where conservatives are heading. I have read about New Hampshire and the Free State Project. I am very intriqued. If it were not for my desire to stay near my son, I would already have moved to New Hampshire.
You have made the same conclusions as me. Now more than ever, "What evil needs if for good men to do nothing." I already am getting more active in the Libertarian Party. I have even been thinking of running for office myself. We will see what the next year holds.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
11 Aug 09
We have to realize that conservative and liberal are irelevent terms, it doesn't matter, republicans are "conservative" and democrats are "liberal" but BOTH parties are more authoritarin than libertarian, there is no difference on the authoritarin/libertarin scale between the two parties and the differences between conservatives and liberals are irelevent to greater matters of politics and governence. It is a false divide, it is essential we begin realizing this and moving past it.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
11 Aug 09
My friend thought that he was a Libertarian until I read to him from their website.
I just don't believe in some of their principals. But then I am neither completely a Republican or Democrat either. Although I lean more to the right with my beliefs.
I am pretty much disgusted with both parties at this point and I think they need a wake up call. I would be willing to vote Libertarian to do just that.
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@bziebarth (228)
• United States
12 Aug 09
I think very few people will find a party they agreew with 100%. I cannot say that I agree with ever position of the Libertarian Party. However, they are the closest to my own beliefs, right now.
@bziebarth (228)
• United States
12 Aug 09
I think that very few people will find a political party that they agree with 100% of the time. I cannot say that I agree with every position of the Libertarian Party. However, they are the closest to my beliefs, right now.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
12 Aug 09
It's difficult to say. The current trends support heroes and politics AGAINST the two main parties. It's my hope that this will mean that we'll no longer rely so heavily on the assumed importance of "parties"...and that we'll learn to elect people based upon themselves solely and what they've done...rather than who they're affiliated with.
I myself adhere to no set political system, although I have a very sincere love of libertarians. So I'd like to think that if there has to be a replacement in main parties it'll be the libertarians who'll be the new top dogs.
I think that if libertarians really want to undermine the power of the past two main parties, they could really do that now, if they worked at it in a frenzy of renewed fervor. I really think they could.
History is a funny thing to be living, though. The current trends are astounding, unpleasant, expected, wonderful, and strange -- so you can gaurentee I'll pay attention. I'm a newsblogger, so I look for and support all new movements to challenge the current and previous order of things, for the better.
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
12 Aug 09
Busy with my blog and the times and having time for little else, xD
@xParanoiax (6987)
• United States
12 Aug 09
So -- I'm to surmise that I have ALOT to catch up on, right?
@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
11 Aug 09
Like the commenter before me, I am not strictly Libertarian in that I don't hold to every tenet of the Libertarian party but at this point in time, they are the ones who are most strongly supporting the Constitution. Federal government has grown far beyond its intended scope and boundaries and the trend needs to be stopped. If the Republican candidates are not willing to face this most important fact, our country will continue down this slippery slope into the Nanny socialist state.
The closer the left gets to socialism, the stronger the backlash uprising will be from those who don't want the US to go down that road. The left talks about extreme right-wingers, because they realize that more people are moving to center and to the right as the left goes off in directions that truly disturb the masses.
Will the current administration give rise to the Libertarian Party? I hope so.
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@bziebarth (228)
• United States
11 Aug 09
I am glad to see that I am not the only one thinking it is a possibility. It makes me remember the law of motion, "for ever action, there is an equal and opposite reaction". Our government cannot move any further left (excuse me, there is farther left but it would not even be near democratic).
@JokerPresident (2)
• United States
12 Aug 09
Yes I think it is time for the Rise of the Libertaians, and also Ron Paul.
I also think that it's time for fascism to end.
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