Is this a prime example of US properganda reaching an all time low?
By urbandekay
@urbandekay (18278)
August 16, 2009 3:05pm CST
An editorial, printed in the Investor's Business Daily, claimed that renowned physicist Stephen Hawking, who is disabled, "wouldn't have a chance in the U.K., where the National Health Service would say the life of this brilliant man, because of his physical handicaps, is essentially worthless."
Hawking, who was born and lives in Britain, personally debunked the claim. "I wouldn't be here today if it were not for the NHS," he told The Guardian newspaper. Investor's Business Daily has since corrected the editorial.
Now it comes as no surprise to Europeans and perhaps the rest of the world that Americans are so blinded by their belief in the dogma of their free market health system that they might believe such nonsense about the UK national health service but get this; the American journalist concerned was apparently too stupid or uneducated to realise that Hawkins is British.
What then can we surmise about the critical faculties of his American readers and their general level of education?
all the best urban
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
16 Aug 09
Hi, Urban!
This is yet another reminder that those who have money to invest are not, like the rest of us Americans, suffering because health care needs have impoverished us. I wonder if the readers of this publication would just ski over such an article if it were not about costs alone.
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@urbandekay (18278)
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16 Aug 09
Interesting; your fellow countrymen, elsewhere on MyLot, are singing the praises of your health system. Can it be that theirs is just the crowing of the rich and privileged?
all the best urban
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
16 Aug 09
Huge numbers of Americans are uninsured. In my case, I'm entering my 42nd year as a public school teacher, fully employed and supposedly well insured. The co-payments required to be made have impoverished me to the extent that I have to choose between prescriptions and groceries more than once in a while. I know literally hundreds of others in the same position, and I certainly have a limited number of friends.
Our unemployment rate is beyond anything ever expected, and many businesses have had to do away with benefits in order to stay afloat.
How is this a wonderful system?
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@cobrateacher (8432)
• United States
16 Aug 09
How dare you call me names?!
My co-payments last year were well over $20,000, and I lost pay for days I was ill. I don't know a lot of people who can afford that.
As for free health care, people often wait for not hours, but quite literally days, before getting any care at all, and the best care they can get because of the needs of these crowds is minimal. I volunteer to help out there when I am off work, so I see it often. My friend, who is a nurse at one of these clinics, literally cries over this often. How on earth did you get the idea that anyone who can't afford private care can actually get good care. It's simply not the way it works. Even if they can wait in the lobby all that long, they can't be at work, so they lose more money or their jobs, because they're ill.
I hope you're fortunate enough to be in excellent health, because the rest of us are in deep trouble for our poor health.
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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16 Aug 09
The problem is not health care, it is insurance. And this is another problem, Liberals have everyone so scared that they need insurance. In the US anyone regardless of their ability to pay, or whether or not they have insurance receives medical attention. The idea that somehow that America must now destroy their health care industry just to give a new "right" to someone else that is not even a victim is BS! The only health Care reform the US needs is real tort reform. These GD Lawyers and people who sue the medical field for millions of dollars because a stitch is out of place is why healthcare cost are so high. And because Doctors are so afraid of being sued they order all kinds of tests that are not needed just so they can cover their arses from those sue happy liberals. Take care of this and health care insurance becomes more affordable. Also one last thing. Allow the insurance companies to be able to sell customised policies, that is, not everyone needs or wants a policy that pays doctors visits, but what is needed is catastrophic insurance which is cheaper to carry.
And this is not scare tactics, it is just the simple truth, nobody needs universal health care, every one already by law gets medical care even if they are living on the streets, or are in this country illegally.
@Poison_Girl (4150)
• United States
16 Aug 09
I got turned down for affordable health care, so I don't know where you get the idea that anyone and everyone can get it. I'm unemployed and they STILL wouldn't help me get more affordable health care. Of course, if I was a breeder and had kids, they'd grant it to me, but because I'm SMART and never had kids while I couldn't afford to, I don't get the affordable health care. I don't think that's right at all!
@freethinkingagent (2501)
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17 Aug 09
Private doctors may turn you away, but any public hostpital and any doc that accepts medicade by law must accept and treat anyone in need of medical attention. This law has been arouind for fourty years now. and I am not talking about "Affordable health care" which is about insurece, I am talking about health care, medical treatment
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
16 Aug 09
I've been in doctors' offices that if you don't have health care and you don't have the money to pay the doctor, the office staff won't let you see the doctor. Please tell me how that is giving every one medical services. You are correct in saying that the problem arose due to lawsuits and cost of insurances. The problem is what the insurances will and won't cover.
@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
17 Aug 09
Oh someone with money can get the best treatment, so the example of Stephen Hawking would not be a good example. Someone who is poor, and has no insurance would have a wait for a bed. So using Stephen Hawking is a bad example, perhaps they should talk of a homeless flea bitten person who has the same condition as Stephen Hawking would not have a chance, but a homeless flea bitten person had a slight sprain would have the same chance as a rich man who had a slight sprain whereas in America he would be told to go home.
So in the UK and other places with free medical insurance, you get better treatment have when you have not much wrong with you, whereas in America, you get better treatment for critical illnesses and conditions if you can pay for it.
That means that no matter what, someone usually suffers whether there is state run medical insurance, private insurance, or free market health insurance.
@urbandekay (18278)
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17 Aug 09
No, you have misunderstood I fear. Hawkins was poor when his condition was diagnosed but being British he still received the best treatment available. He would have faired much worse under the American system
all the best urban
@urbandekay (18278)
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18 Aug 09
That may be what they intended to say, it is not what they actually said, in which case the author is bad at his craft and deserves not to hold that position
all the best urban
@anonymous101 (487)
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6 Sep 09
At least this story made me laugh. I even printed a copy from an article online! I'm fed up with sloppy journalism. Nobody seems to bother checking the facts or researching information, or statistics for that matter!
@rielkat25 (9)
• United States
17 Aug 09
This is coming from personal experience. I had to get health care from the state (or federa whichever) because #1 my work didn't offer it & # 2 I couldn't afford it. Yes you can get quality health care and their ARE QUALITY centers that will NOT turn you away for inability to pay. Only you are required to fill out an application for health insurance through the state (this is in Minnesota) so that you aren't billed thousands of dollars that doctors visit costed you. Other wise you'll be billed 3 months later. Our only problem is people are to chicken $h!t to go and fill out the application for it or don't know how to get the information. I must also say it is hard if your only getting paid Minimum wage and can't move out of you parents place. Unfortunatly Americas health care system does need to be reviewed and changed. Instead of having the same rules for every state or county its all different...But to answer the question I think if our level of education is that low we need to look at our educational systems too! The fact that the writer obviously didn't do his research. The writer's bad judgment makes the rest of us Americans look bad. Heck We all ready look bad because of a stupid president (G.W.Bush)
@mommaj (23112)
• United States
16 Aug 09
HAHAHA. This is too funny. Who wrote that article. Someone trying to get the health care bill voted down? Looking at this from a political aspect, it is quite funny. However, as someone without healthcare plans I am concerned. I have medicaid for our children and it is a blessing. I pay absolutely nothing for them. Did you know that a family of two adults and two children could make up to $36,000 and still receive free health care plans for the kids. As far as the adults go you are alone. Where we live we have a free clinic. The clinic is nice, actually it's a sliding scale fee. It's like most doctors offices though. You have to wait a week for an appointment. There is a mobile unit so if you can drive there you will get immediate treatment as first come, first served. I would like to see that type of health care on a larger level for the country, but I think if you ask for the government to get involved, you are asking for trouble.