Logical debate on Creation vs Evolution.

haha MachaMondRuad, you are clever to be fit on both sides. I am impressed... Its not that I don't totally believe in the existence of God, but my definition of God is different. But I am sure what the God is not...

Yea, I thought it was clever too the first time this was pointed out to me. My high school Biology teacher is actually the one who put evolution and creationism in those terms. I went to school in Virginia, so he was having to teach evolution to a bunch of Southern Baptists and he needed a way to get through to them. It didn't hurt that he had majored in Theology as well as Biology in college.

so you learnt this from your teacher. And your teacher is the clever one haha. And if the teacher is clever, then why can't the student be, isn't it, lol

What if that intelligence is beyond your ability to conceive?

What if that intelligence is your mind itself. If you can understand that the god doesn't need any creator, he has forever existed, why can't you think in a way that you have forever existed. You believe that you are eternal, that means your mind or soul you say is eternal itself and also intelligent that it can create. You yourself can be the creator of your world like you are the creator of your dream. And this common reality we live can be joint creation of all mind which is the meaning of oneness to me. Thanks for your response...Happy mylotting...

That means you are the one who believes in some sort of creation by god but not in the form described in the religious books. I agree with you that the story given by the history is nothing more than a folk tale and that has not a basis at all. It is just the story trying to show that they are the best on earth and then take the control over the people... I don't believe that the sins occur at the first place. I believe that there is nothing like good or bad. They are just the human interpretations. Anyone can be always right when viewed from their perspective. The sense of good and bad has been created by the society we live else it would not have been existed... thanks for your response...Happy mylotting...

I dont know what your religion is but your views are very much similar to Hinduism and its interpretations of right, wrong, sin and deliverance.

Though I am born in Hindu family, I don't like to consider myself a hindu, and though my beliefs are more towards Buddhism, I would like to consider myself a Buddhist. Religion is not necessary to me. For me the important thing is that which thing makes a lot of meaning and sense... Happy mylotting...

Hello tdemex!!! Yes, I also believe that I just don't disappear after this life. I belief that the consciousness is related to the mind rather than this physical body. This physical body is real only for this dimension of life. But we have another dimension than this reality too. The simple example is the dream, another dimension of reality and on that dimension this dimension we are living comes to be false. I relate evolution more with the thoughts. I think that the changing thoughts is the reason of evolution. For example, hairs at different parts of our body is totally reduced with our tendency to wear clothes and the thought is we don't needs clothes anymore. And this also depicts the statement that the word around us is the reflection of our thoughts... Thanks for your participation...Hope to see you again...

it's real and unreal at the same time

Its real when you are at the dream and unreal when you wake up.

If you can just exist, Universe can just exist ... is there possiblity that God can just exist ?? You made me think now .... Evolutionarily speaking ... if everything has always existed and just changed form .. could god just exist and changed forms too ( Now i understand why Hindus have so many idols !!! ) cheers

hi ulalume .. i can conclude that .. it is the owners view , either we feel that the glass is half full or half empty it is individual .. we need to force it into someone to accept our reasons to believe ... i like it !!

Well, that is generally the premise of the Creationism debate. I actually think the debate relies more on circular reasoning on their side simply because so frequently they ask for ME to prove that either 1. god doesn't exist or 2. my belief is true. It makes sense for me to ask those questions because just by looking at the world around me I am consciously aware that I exist, as well as every thing else that has mass. Sure, God could "just exist." However, there is no real proof that he does. The debate doesn't hold as much water on the opposing side, simply because there lacks significant evidence to prove this being exists at all.

Our mind is the only conscious thing. What if this mind is the one that stands on its own like the God stands on its own, it doesn't need to be created. Like wise, what if this mind doesn't need to be created. And the creation of this world is just the creation of our mind rather than any other god. Just like the creation of our dream is the creation of our mind or thoughts. This world in changing in the way this mind has thought. For example when the human beings started wear the dress, the hairs started to disappear, which is of course a thought and may be the cause of evolution. There is intelligence for sure andy77e, what if this intelligence is you yourself? The question comes about this common reality we face. May be this is what the meaning of oneness that the whole universe changes as a unit and so the common reality though we have separate dreams.

I don't know whether God created this mind or not, but I am sure this mind can create a new god. The more and more the people talk on this God, the more it seems to be real then. And when the generations pass on this talk, then the original creation of god from mind is forgotten, and then only remains is this term God...

Hello patms1 Well you mentioned the name of Buddha here, and I am the strong believer of Buddha. It is the teachings of Buddha itself that led me not to believe in the superstitions. It is the teaching of Buddha itself that the support of any superstitious god for enlightenment is nothing more than a mistake. His teaching focus more on the art of mind for the enlightenment that doesn't need any god. The teaching of Jesus is different that Buddha, I don't know why is that. While most of the enlightened people spread the teachings similar to Buddha on the art of mind, the Jesus teaching is different. Thought the life of Buddha and Jesus is described in the similar way that they left their house to search the enlightenment, and they were fully compassionate and so on. Enlightenment cannot have different in both the cases. Why Jesus focuses more on the God, and why Buddha tells god is not the important thing? It is more obvious that the actual teaching of Jesus should have been altered for the seek of power, which is the insult to Jesus itself. Else the teaching of other enlightened ones and Jesus wouldn't have been different. While the history has another claim that Jesus had himself learnt the eastern Buddhist and Vedantic techniques of meditation... So I don't believe in the fictional story given in the Bible, which doesn't make a sense to me...

Hello sanjana_aslam!!! Yes, I am also the one who just don't believe in the god in the way defined in the religious book. The thought come to me there may be god, but what this god is, I don't know. I need to understand it and I believe that can be done by only developing mindfulness, consciousness and developing internal insights or wisdom. What I believe is that its me myself, who had been one of those dinosaurs, and then one of those apes and so on, changing my form again and again, depending on our thoughts. The world is said to be the reflection of our thoughts. May be this is what the meaning of the reflection of our thoughts. And if so, our mind is itself the source of creation. And what is the source of creation of this mind, don't ask... The changing thoughts and evolution, this makes a lot of sense to me. This is the most provoking thoughts. Our life is eternal, that means I have been always existed in some form, I always had this feeling...

Technically speaking, anything that creates (whether purposefully or not) should be able to take on the name "Creator." Why do I say this? Because in reality much of your view is correct. Something or someone needs to create. That said, creation is frequently passive in our own world. An example would be considering a river that, over years and years, erodes back a mountain line. Similarly, a volcano erupting and in time forming a mass of inhabitable land. These are passive (natural) occurrences. At least, passive relative to the active aspect of a god creating (or a human being for sake of this example). If one was to say the smallest chemical inadvertently was capable of passively causing a "Big Bang", then one is admitting that we were created (by a creator, of sorts). The real debate lies within religious confines. Additionally it is a matter of such an entity being intelligent rather than not. I do not see the validity of the argument that needs intelligence in order to create, because many of the great minds of our time were not particularly bright. Hell, many great things have happened on accident or by chance.

Rather than external power, I believe that it is our mind itself which is the source of creation. Our mind itself is the source of creation and our mind itself is the source of evolution. The evolution means the change in life structure which is due to the change in the beliefs or thoughts. Just like when the people started covering their body from the clothes, the unnecessary hairs started disappearing...

Yes, you are definitely allowed in this discussion. Infact I respect the opinion you give. We can't say that evolution is 100 percent correct either. The research is still one. But the more logical and sensible in comparison to the creation is the evolution. I don't know whether the god exists or not, but I am sure that at least the God does not exist in the form as described popular in the form that he is the creator of everything and so on....

That seems to be the nice way bmuchler. May your kid don't get confused over it. But it is good to do that. Mainly because it will let him to think, and thinking can generate wisdom for sure... Thanks for your response...Happy mylotting...