If not the US Constitution, what?
By ParaTed2k
@ParaTed2k (22940)
Sheboygan, Wisconsin
August 19, 2009 7:51pm CST
A lot of people in the US consider the US Constitution an meaningless relic of the past. They make fun of anyone who still respects it. Obama and his cronies even go so far as to consider it a "charter of negative rights".
So, to any of you who don't think there is any reason to respect the US Constitution, I ask you, what should we use as the basis of our laws?
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@gewcew23 (8007)
• United States
20 Aug 09
Well I guess we could always use the UN Charter. That thing has been working great.
Who would want the U.S Constitution, I mean it only protect your rights from a tyrannical government, but tyrannical government is in vogue right now. Why would we ever want a document that limits the power of the Federal government?
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@Troublegum (641)
• United States
20 Aug 09
Oddly enough this is very true. Why would the government follow a document that limits itself. It is up to us as citizens to make sure that our elected officials are following the constitution because they have no interest in doing so on their own.
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
20 Aug 09
For those reading who may not live in the U.S. or even live here and do not understand the importance of the constitution or it's relevence today. the constitution was designed as limit on government, not a limit on people. Also, it does not "give us" our rights, it defines those rights, rights which are not for government or even for man to give, they are ours simply by virtue of our birth, those with deep religious affiliation see them as given by god, or creator, or what ever powers aboce you may believe in, but the meaning is the same, they are not for government to give or take as they do not belong to government.
The constitution was also a contract, a contract between the states to create a common agent to carry out the states national and international business, and tend to the common affairs between the states. This agent, the federal government, was given specific duties and responsabilities in this contract. It was alos given very strict limits with in which it was to operate. Those limits were put there for a reason. We put our liberty in grave peril when we ignore the importance of those limtits.
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@laglen (19759)
• United States
20 Aug 09
That "relic of the past" has served us well for over 200 years and I believe that people who think it is outdated and not applicable should move on to a more "progressive" country. I am so sick of people (politicians) trying to completely revamp the United States. There are plenty of countries that will provide the type of society they are looking for. If you do not want a free market, and the many inalienable rights we have, move to a country that provides what you are looking for.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
20 Aug 09
Obama, with his view of the Constitution, feels he needs to work outside of its boundaries. He is not happy with the "negative liberties" that keep government from meddling in our lives, he wants a charter that allows government to decide what to do FOR you, whether you will it to be so or not.
The way you know that the Constitution sets out the right form of government is that all other countries that emanated from the same cultures have similar forms of government. The House and Senate resemble Parliament and the President, the Prime Minister. The difference was that in order for the colonies to have this type of government, they had to be independent as they were not given representation in Parliament. The founding fathers acted on what they knew, but also refined that to provide a type of governing that was closely in touch with the will of the people and offered the maximum personal freedom within a structure of law. The Constitution respects the individual, which is the greatest reason to show it respect in return.
The Constitution would have to be re-written in order for what this administration is doing and planning to do to be lawful. They realize that they could never hammer through all the amendments necessary to accomplish this, so they simply ignore the Constitution, knowing that much of what they do will go by without a serious challenge. This has been going on a little bit at a time for decades, yes, but Obama is not afraid to be blatant about his violations of the document he is supposedly a scholar of. When someone is not afraid to openly flout the law, his confidence makes him much more dangerous.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
20 Aug 09
Ted, I thought for a long time that the constitution was the bases of our country. I thought that it was what binds us all together, what gives us the rights, and freedoms that no other country in the world has. But, I was wrong. This document can be walked on by any political party that can get more than half of the country to believe them, or fear something so much they will allow politicans to IGNOR the document. Lets all be honest as well here: If you have enough money, the laws don't apply to you. When corporations can break laws, admit no wrong, and pay millions in fines, there is a problem. When a person can buy their way out of a murder conviction, there is something wrong. So I don't know what to say to you Ted. Good luck with that one.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Aug 09
So let's quit being complacent about what the elected officials are doing and remind them who holds the "highest office in the land" in this country!
Let's quit allowing our elected officials to feel comfortable in their seats.
We've started putting the heat on them, and a lot of them are reacting by lashing out against us... but that's to be expected.
We have proven to the world that We the People can effect change. We did it with HR 3200. The plan was to rush it through without any input from the people...
It could have been passed yet though. The marching orders from Obama tell his minions that the Republicans in Congress are to blame for getting in the way. The truth is, the Republicans didn't have enough votes to be so much as a speed bump to the Oval Office.
The ONLY reason it isn't passed yet is the pressure We the People put on our elected officials.
We need to keep this up.. not just for healthcare reform (or any other particular issue), but for any bill they try to railroad us with.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
21 Aug 09
Ted, blocking this bill only helps the corporations that REALLY run this country. You think that it is the politicans that run this country, but they are all just puppets. If you take out the puppet, but leave the person pulling their strings, then they just find another puppet. Let me ask you something: Did bills like this go through congress while republicans ran the country? See the puppets have changed, but their masters are still in charge. The only way to change our system is to take the money out of politics, this will cut the strings of the puppet masters. They will find other ways to try to buy our politicans, but right now they are doing it right infront of our faces, and it makes us all look very stupid.
@Carson11 (332)
• United States
21 Aug 09
ParaTed2k, You made an excellent point about that health care bill.Even though it was HORRIBLE,the LIBS would have rammed it through and Obama would have signed it. How can we trust them now? WE CAN'T!!! WE MUST DEFEAT THEM OR WE WILL LOSE OUR LIBERTY FOREVER!!!

@bbpstudios (320)
• United States
20 Aug 09
The US constitution, while truly a significant form of government, has not been honestly followed for the last several decades. The amendments, and all have been almost avoided by the masses. Truth be told I agree with you, but not for the same reasons. This nation, while founded by the constitution, was not built by the constitution. It was built on hate, pride, prejudice, and blood. However, my statement is not to let you know that your wrong, because in truth your right.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
20 Aug 09
The birth of our nation had those elements, it's true. However, it also had the seeds of a truly free society. What happened before we were born and came of age is not ours to decide, make up for, apologize for or regret. What we do while we are here is what will be the difference.
So many people want to define our future by our past, but that negates anything we do now, while we live.
The US Constitution is the framework by which our laws should be passed and by which our leaders should be evaluated. If we simply shrug it off because others have, then we shrug off any promise of freedom that it means.
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@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
24 Sep 09
[i]What happened before we were born and came of age is not ours to decide, make up for, apologize for or regret. What we do while we are here is what will be the difference.
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YOu got me thinking with this statement.
I agree with that statement. BUT I also wondered if the winners did not write the history of what took place in our past? Oh, we've had spurts of stupidity, bigotry and hatred as a nation...I am desceded from people who would agree very strongly with that. But as a whole it's the American PEOPLE who have made this country great despite the stupidity, bigotry and hatred of the few. When I look at history I look for two things, what the people in power did....what the common man did. Often times...there is a big difference between the two.
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