What made Britain great?

Australia
September 2, 2009 7:22am CST
I left England when I was 11 years old and have lived in Australia for 62 years, but have made several trips back "home". I am a true-blue, fair-dinkum, dinki-di Aussie - but I am proud of my English heritage and have a deep respect and love for the nation. I believe Britain is the greatest nation ever, and many other nations of the world owe their present quality of life to the British. I'm not saying Britain made no mistakes. Of course she did, but the world would be a much poorer place without Britain's influence over many years. What do you think made Britain so great? The parliamentary system? It's glorious history? It's royalty and peerage? It's people? Britain has given the world so much in exploration, in literature, in medicine, in reform, in arts. Possibly the only area in which Britain didn't lead the world was in classical music. Ex-patriates - those who have left Britain (especially England) and made your home in another Country, how do you feel about Britain? Is it still your Motherland? Are you proud of your heritage? Everyone, ex-patriate or not: what do you think made Britain so great?
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@sunny68 (1327)
• India
2 Sep 09
i don't want to be a party spoiler, and specially do not mean to offend anyone. but i have different views. Britain became 'great' by using its military might and deception to create an empire where 'the sun never sets'. contrary to your views Britain owns its 'quality of life' to its colonies which it exploited for its own benefit. the 'quality of life' given to its colonies was only to facilitate its exploitation. local entrepreneurship were destroyed to facilitate export of 'Made in England'. and if you talk about today, the manner in which 'Great Britain' is eager to follow anything United States dictates, doesn't leave much to talk about. no offense but that is my view.
• Australia
2 Sep 09
No offence taken Sunny. We are all entitled to our opinion. I agree that Britain made many mistakes. Not all its leaders were perfect - far from it, but I would have to say Britain led the world in many, many ways. The contribution of literature must be applauded, along with other achievements. I would have to say that Australia has greatly benefited from being a "colony" of Britain and I know people from other "colonies" would agree. I agree with you, however, that Britain is not the force it once was and is in dire need of an old-time statesman to restore its glory. I believe Queen Elizabeth II, following in her father's tradition, brought great stability, but the future isn't very bright in that regard.
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
3 Sep 09
yes cloudwatcher, in terms of art, culture and literature Britain has some marvelous contributions. and i personally am a big fan of British comedy which i consider is a class apart. but some facts are hard to digest. Australia is lucky (you should value that) countries like India/Pakistan and Israel/Palestine are still suffering the consequences of the infamous British policy of 'divide and rule' (which later graduated to 'divide and leave'). blood being shed on a daily basis is a harsh reality and not likely to end anytime soon.......... and also thanks mike for your views. unfortunately many governments simply do not consider the views of the majority of their own people. i wonder what they think.
• Philippines
3 Sep 09
I'm sorry to barge in to this discussion. I think the one good reason that britain exploits because that is what colonizing is all about. It exploits primarily for its benefits. But if i compare britain and spain as colonizer; I would choose britain as the lesser evil. In fact many of the spanish colony is still poor even at the moment, because the mindset that the Spaniards brought to their colony is a poor mindset. for most part britain is still great and good.
@Shahrus (68)
• Philippines
3 Sep 09
I LOOOVE ENGLAND! I just didn't like living there. Too cold, too damp, too gray, too expensive. But I go back every other year. It calls to me. Every time I go back, I gripe. Every time I leave, I miss it... perverse, I know. At the risk of causing offense, I think it's time we got rid of the Royal Family and Royal privileges. Not like they did in France, mind. Headless bodies, or bodiless heads are just sooo not me! But yeah, I believe England would be better off if it didn't have to support a bunch of people who think they're better than everyone else, simply because they were born better off than everyone else. Many years ago, when a part of Buckingham burned, and there was talk of letting the public pay for the damages, I was sooo upset, I nearly (but didn't) skip dinner. I was that upset! With all the problems that beset the country then (admittedly, still), they actually wanted to use the people's funds to pay for something the those who live there (the palace) could more than afford!? True, they didn't, but the fact that they even considered it... horrible. It doesn't bother me that England used force and trickery to dominate much of the world. This is the way of power. What upsets other nations, I think, is that England beat them to it. So "what made Britain great?" I think it was a combination of history, opportunity and circumstance. With the Spanish and French dominating the seas and threatening to invade, all of Britain had no choice but to unite and get its act together... ... which it did so marvelously, under a woman! And history was written. That said, how can one not have a deep love and respect for all of Britain? Indeed, without its contributions, the world would be a very, very different place... ... for one thing, we'd all be speaking either French or Spanish.
• Australia
3 Sep 09
Thank you Shahrus for a few smiles and a very entertaining reply. Personally, I think the Royal Family had a big part in making Britain great, but I'm afraid it is going downhill. QEII and her father and mother maintained a good example, but the future doesn't look as bright. I think without the Royals, a lot of Britain's charm would be lost - along with the massive income derived from tourism. I would venture to say the number one priority with most tourists would be connected with the Royals. I agree her greatness can't be attributed to any one particular thing. Certainly literature played a big part, and I think the nature, attributes and distinctive personality of the ordinary people make her unique. England is almost opposite to much of what we have in Australia, but I loooooove both of my countries. Hhhmmmm Yes, I'm glad we don't speak Spanish or French. No offence to these people (in fact, praise) but I can't imagine having to learn whether a table, a chair, or in fact any inanimate object is masculine or feminine! How do they do it?!
• Australia
3 Sep 09
I love your sense of humour Shahrus. Thanks for some more smiles. I certainly agree with you about the Royals to some extent at least, but I also believe the Royalty gives a certain stability to England. Would you replace the Queen with a President? Certainly doesn't appeal to me! I believe the Royalty has become a bit "less royal" and will become even less so, but they do need to eliminate all the "extra" royals.
• Philippines
3 Sep 09
Witchcraft!!! They use witchcraft to remember all those masculine and feminine nouns! There's no other explanation, I tell you! It's witchcraft! About the Royals: It is indeed true they made England what it is. They are Royals, after all. But that is the past, you see, and though I certainly believe the past has its place, as all things do, I'd have to say its place would be in... ... well the past. (sometimes I surprise myself) That said, when you consider that England's economy has not been quite what it once was, and considering how many more things its financial resources can be spent on, such as better schools, better salaries for teachers, better infrastructure in certain neighborhoods, and so on... Considering how many public sources of income Royals have access to, and not just a certain woman, all of which are tax free... It all adds up to quite a lot, doesn't it? I'm no communist, mind you. I love capitalism, it's my religion! I can settle for a tax free queen, mind. I just don't like the idea of so many others enjoying the same privileges. With the way things are now, I don't think England remains great because of the Royal Family and all who are related to them (legitimate or otherwise). I think it is great despite them.... ... I've lost my train of thought. I am having a serious craving for Monster Munch. They don't export those here to the Philippines... ... you see!? It's those damn Royals, I'm telling you!
@Eskimo (2315)
4 Sep 09
There are many reasons why Britain was the best country in the world, unfortunately since 1997, it has gone fast downhill, and is a country that no-one in their right mind would consider now. Everything has become politically correct, rights of the silent moral majority have been eroded and given to the the workshy, immigrants & crooks who seem to be allowed to do anything. Meanwhile the government lie about everything, whether it is about the economy, global warming or weapons of mass destruction. One of the latest is that criminals getting let out of jail much earlier than they should be are now getting paid compensation for the meals they no longer get. Yet houseowners are getting fined if they put their rubbish out on the wrong day, or put the wrong kind of rubbish in their bins. The U.K. now is the most watched country in the world, with cameras on nearly every street corner, and every car monitored when been driven. If I was younger I would probably move to Australia or New Zealand. (ps I though I had you listed as a friend here as well as over on Yuwie).
@mariposaman (2959)
• Canada
3 Sep 09
Actually what made it great was the unending supply of yobs. What happens today is all the yobs riot at the football games, whereas at one time they would be stuck in the Army or Navy and shipped overseas. Also what made the British great was their sense of superiority and entitlement. This air of invincibility allowed them to go in places where no sane person would go for example into deserts, frozen wastelands, junglesand many other inhospitable places where they subjugated the native populations, and made them part of the British Commonwealth, something again to what the Romans did when they conquered the known world in their time. yes it's true mad dogs and Englishmen stay out in the midday sun. In case you are wondering I am an ex-patriate living in Canada.
• Australia
3 Sep 09
Thanks for your thoughts. I find them interesting and agree in part with what you say. One thing I have found very noticeable on my trips to England is that people at all "levels" of society are very class conscious, but I think this is less evident each time I go back there. It was very evident 30 years ago, but barely so now. Times change.
• Canada
4 Sep 09
Kindly, a yob would be a misguided youth. Generally manifesting itself as lager louts at football games, or gangs roaming the streets at night bent on mindless destruction. A couple of centuries ago youth wandering the streets or hanging around the pub without apparent purpose would be press ganged into the navy. With the expansion of the British Empire, there was always need for young men, or men of any serviceable age, to serve in the army to keep rebellions in check in far flung corners of the globe. With the rise of the American Empire taking over as the world's policeman, and the granting of independence of Commonwealth countries, these excess youth are free to vent their mindless energies at home.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Sep 09
What is a yob?
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
2 Sep 09
Hi Cloudwatcher...You know that I am an anglophile big time. If I were to win the lottery I'd move to the UK and spend all my time getting to know the people. And that is exactly what I think made England, Ireland, Scotland and Wales so great, the people. For the most part they are practical, responsible, and know how to think for themselves...they love liberty. They care about justice and they know how to fight for them.
• Australia
2 Sep 09
I tend to agree with you Debi. The people played a very important part. They rallied in the big wars. They are the "heart" of the nation. I also think the parliamentary system is the best, and Britain produced some outstanding statesmen. Then, who can deny the "greats" of literature, medicine and other areas their input? I find it amazing that such a tiny little land mass could play such a dominant role in world history - but as you say, it is the British spirit than enabled it.
• Australia
4 Sep 09
"How the Irish saved civilisation" - hhmmmm My new daughter-in-law might like that idea. My youngest son spent 5 years in England (my eldest stayed there 12 years) and he brought home an Irish bride. They had an 8 months honeymoon travelling through Europe and Asia on their way here. She is very Irish and very Ireland supportive.
@debrakcarey (19887)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I read a book...about the culture and folkways of the UK...from Ireland to Scotland, Britan and Wales...there is something about the race that subdued those two Isles...magical? but down to earth as well. I see alot of my personality matches what the book described...I think the title of it was 'How the Irish Saved Civilazation.' Had to do with saving the ancient writings...the monastaries. I kept having Eureka! moments all through reading it.
• China
3 Sep 09
I have to admit that Britain has made much contribution to the languade. English is the most commonly used language in the world. You can see UK, US, Austrilia, Canada, New Zealand, India, and many other countries make English as the mother tongue. The result is amazing. English has become the most popular as a foreign language in many other coutries. In China, Japan, Korea, many people can communicate with each other in English.
• Australia
3 Sep 09
True Donna. My son and his bride have recently returned from an 8 month honeymoon travelling through Europe and Asia and English was spoken, especially by the younger people, in most countries.
@JAYMAR777 (840)
• Philippines
2 Sep 09
I think Britain is great because it has conquered many countries in the "modern world". In a sense it conquered the whole world. You have the capacity and the resources, as well as many centuries of experience then to make a great empire. Though today you don't have much of that anymore, but Britain rings a bell even today. I think the way Britain handled their subordinates is good (though not perfect). Most British conquered countries turn out to be progressive. while some of the countries that have been ruled say Spain is not that good. A good example is my country. Anyway i hope i shared some good thoughts for you British friend, or shall i say Aussie friend.
• Australia
2 Sep 09
I have been very thankful that Australia was "adopted" by Britain. I don't think we would be where we are today if another country had taken us.