Reputation system preventing debates??
By aravindkrd
@aravindkrd (610)
India
September 3, 2009 10:08am CST
As we all know and do, the reputation (+/- rating and best response) is forcing us to be little to polite even against an unfair post or topic. For instance if we hav an opinion different from the person who posted the topic many of us do not express it. Instead they just comment by "I support your view..." likewise so that they improve their chances of being chosen for the best response. I've seen many people suffering from too low reputation rankings probably becoz of some debates they've made here in myLot. So.. are we afraid of creating real debates.. should there be some change in the system?
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
3 Sep 09
In my opinion it is not the reputation system which is causing the some to fear a real debate but the lack of respect. It is absolutely possible to have an exchange of opinion without lowering tones and beoming hostile. I have great friends here who have opposite views from mine and this is why we became friends in the first place - they have no fear of saying what they think.
This is supposedly an adult site and as adults we should be able to state our opinions, whatever they may be, using terms and phrases that do not insult or abuse others and therefore we should have no fear that others, actings in a childlike manner, would abuse the rating system. In every community online and off there will always be those that do abuse the system but surely they should not be the majority?
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@aravindkrd (610)
• India
3 Sep 09
Its true that we can have an exchange of opinion without lowering tones. But I meant about people who never like responses against their views. Choosing best response is a clear example where more than 90% goes to people who support the view of the topic poster. You are right about "it is about our attitude and not the system" and.. we can prove this topic wrong by having a healthy debate
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
3 Sep 09
The selection of the BR is indeed often a good sign of users being biased and awarding to those who agree. Not the perfect example of a good healthy debate agree but we are humans here and we all know how human act now don't we?
There are though some Lotters who do award the BT to a response which is the opposite of what they were expecting when the discussion started. Several are on my friend list because, I said above, they stick out in a crowd because they say what they think and are not afraid to do so here and that often gets them the BR.
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@mysdianait (66009)
• Italy
3 Sep 09
Nothing confusing when each has their own...
now if they were all the same.... THEN it would be confusing
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@DCLehnsherr (1037)
•
3 Sep 09
Hi Aravinkrd,
I have to admit that by nature I am not a person given to debating with someone. I like to learn about the views of others, and tell them my views on something. But when it comes to debating I find it hard to understand when someone is yelling at me and trying to change my view, or is just being honest and teaching me something. That is more to do with how I am made though, than how people are towards me (I hope anyway!).
I will admit that on mylot I have always been nervous about posting anything that could start debates. I ask questions in order to learn (and have never once regretted doing that) but since I am new I am still feeling the place out before I start posting things which are likely to create some controversy. I hope I won't ever post anything that will do that, but there are things I want to ask that could, and so I am cautious about them. I think the ratings do have something to do with that, though less now than they would have last week. I am probably more afraid of ending up hated than anything else though lol
I guess in short I am afraid of starting a real debate, but mostly because of my personality rather then the star rating system of mylot
Dranz
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@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
I started this discussion - few months ago.. Later on I came to realize that none of the active myLot (at least most of them) takes opposing views in the right sense.. that we can afford to have a healthy debate in their or our discussions.. without worrying about reputation, rating and all.. The senior myLoters can be trusted ... Thats why probably, most of them fill up the recent activities list with best response - received..
@DCLehnsherr (1037)
•
3 Sep 09
Hi Mike,
I was actually thinking that if I got a load of abuse for giving a respectful opinion, then I would probably contact mylot and report the member who gave me that abuse lol! I was actually expecting that to appear at the end of your paragraph . I would definitely refrain from giving abuse back, I don't want to be backlisted because I couldn't control my temper !
It is good to know that mylot doesn't judge for opinions though, I will definitely keep that in mind for the future .
Dranz
PS: Are you stalking me, or do we just happen to like the same messages lol
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@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
Yep... Its about some persons - mainly newbies - who misuse the wonderful system.. So it looks safe to act nice with newbies/strangers..
@thea09 (18305)
• Greece
4 Sep 09
Hi aravindkrd, I would never agree with an opinion I did not agree with but am wary of entering the arena of yes people in case I then get jumped on, my opinions are just that I don't see the need to explain how they came about. It is impossible to have a reasonable discussion with someone who is indoctrianated and attaks and I have seen istances of users threatening to negative rate someone for differences of opinon, which is pathetic plus against the guidelines, so I'd rather stick to discussions with the people who can be discussed with in a reasonable manner.
Today I gave a best response to someone who I disagreed with on a discussion as he contriuted best to the discussion without any resort to anything less than perfect manners.
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@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
Yep, there are many (infact most are) sensible myLoters around.. who take opposing views and debates in the right sense.. As you said, the best thing to do is "stick to discussions with the people who can be discussed with in a resonable manner" rather than trying to have a debate with those who doesn't take it in the right sense..
@cherrc (661)
• Philippines
4 Sep 09
if that would be the case, then the issue is on the part of the one responding and not the one who posted the topic. having different views are better coz eventhough we may not agree on each other, still, we may learn something for that matter. let's get it on! :)
@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
Yep.. debates are more informative than plain discussions.. My vote always goes for debates.. thats wat keeps me going in myLot.. (though this time - we have similar views )
@alwayzzcitra (1861)
• Indonesia
16 Oct 09
Well in my opinion the rating system is fine. There's no rule that says we cannot debate here. The faq also says that we can't negatively rate posts we don't agree with. We use the negative button only to posts that are not useful and give negative impacts on mylot comunity. If this rating guide is properly followed, we still can debate in a healthy way.
@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
yes.. only senseless/meaningless posts should be rated negative.. The problem is with people (some) misusing the rating system by violating the above condition!
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
4 Sep 09
aravindkrd we are not supposed to fight or insult each other no'mattrer how much we may want an open discussion. mylotters'
often steer away from controversial topics because they have at one'time been mistreated by some one with an opposing view. its fine'
to have an opposing view if you just state it and be polite to those responders who have a different view than yours.Its not stars or reps or best responses its being insulted by those who opposed your view. nobody deserves to be insulted for joining in and giving their own view point or opinion.
@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
hi Hatley,I didn't mean about insulting others through my responses.. but about people who take even a response with a different (opposing from the poster's) view.. (as you said - as an insult. Like thea09 said, there are people who even threaten about negative rating and all (as you said - being "mistreated")
@kezabelle (2974)
•
4 Sep 09
I always say what I think! I dont mind if people dont like that I have my opinions and im intitled to express them, if they then feel the need to - my post thats fine im not here to see how liked I can be im here because I enjoy the discussions and most of all a good debate.
I have been known to annoy a few people in my time I dont really care if they can not be mature enough to realise that sometimes people disagree then dont post on a public forum! Although to be fair im like it with everyone I say what I think to everyone but friends family etc i tone it down so as not to offend im not nasty just opnionated and I think thats ok!
@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
yep!.. Thats wat we are here for.. - exchange of views, debates, discussions.. @ myLot, our view is more important than the ratings, reputation, best responses and all.. At the end of it.. you have a consistent 10 star..
@rosekiss (30414)
• Eugene, Oregon
3 Sep 09
I try to avoid the debates, as they will sure cause a person's rating to drop to the bottom. However, I am still losing ratings for one reason or anohter. I had a 10 the day befsore yesterday, and I logged on yesterday morning and it was back to a 9, so I know that someone didn't like my responses, and I got zapped. I didn't let it bother me to much, but it still isn't fair, as I do don't do that to others, but I get ti done to me. The rating system has really been abused lately and it would be better if we didn't even have it. There are some users that must love to give negative ratings for no reason and they aren't supposed to do that, but they do it. They don't realize they are hurting themselves as well. They need to be nicer to others, as that is my opionion. Good luck to you and happy mylotting.
@aravindkrd (610)
• India
19 Oct 09
This is probably because.. someone who likes our response.. won't always give a plus to us.. But someone (for instance the ones' view we opposed) will mostly express his anger with a - rating. At the end of it.. it seems that You do not have any worries about your star. (Consistent -10). It should be like this "Be nicer to newbies/strangers, be free to express your views with friends"