Bhagawad Gita and the last thought on mind...

@GADHISUNU (2162)
India
September 3, 2009 7:08pm CST
The Bhagavad Gita is a compendium of Brahma Vidya (The Science of Attaining the Brahman) or God realization as it is called. The significance of it being delivered on a War field is to drive home the idea that the human mind is continuously being bombarded by good and bad thoughts and we(as the sum total of our thoughts) are at constant war within ourselves - this is about the average human being, now the good ones winning and now the bad ones! THe BG is such a beautiful summarization of the various approaches to reaching The Source and en passant Lord Kridhna mentions the journey of the Atman( I would avoid the word soul for unlike the Christian Soul that is a created entity - The Atman is Self-Effulgent and Eternal- and when bound by desire is called the jiva or jIvAtmA. In several words He instructs Arjuna about how the Law of Karma operates in the Universe:[B]jAtasya dhruvor mR^ituH- dhruvam janma mR^itasya cha[/B]. Now nobody would have doubt on the first part of this statement:Death is certain unto everyone who is born! The second part however is a matter of speculation: ..and everyone who dies is reborn. This cycle is the jIvAtma's journey towards the goal of getting out of the cycle... There is a statement in the BG that says, "Whatever is the last thought on the mind at the time of death, there or incorporating that thought shall one take a body in the next birth." Thus if a person thinks of music and the Love of God as he passes into oblivion (for this world and its senses) then there!- he shall take a body that has this exquisite quality of being amenable to be musically trained to a point of perfection way beyond where one left it the previous life.. I took this example because my Dad who passed away in 2006 thought of this most of the time, for, being afflicted by a stroke he had lost his musical voice... While I was most interested in getting him(my Dad) to cut asunder the cycle of Birth and Death by helping him remember Him in the last moment of Death, again as promised by Him: "He who shall think of Me shall come to Me" But vaasanas (the impressions of several lifetimes of engagement with a particular set of thought processes, stances, proclivities...) being what they are, one's thoughts are said to hover around that which kept you most engaged, so you are granted the freedom to be what you want to be. Because the Ever Effulgent Atman is at the core of the Jiva, the Freedom that always was would continue to be. But my Dad was somehow under the impression that the jIva would not leave the old body until it chose another... this is not a statement in the Bhagavad Gita- for the Gita is too brief on this point, but BaadaraayaNa[Veda Vyasa - the Founder of the Vedantic School of Vedic Philosophy] discusses this in greater detail in the Brahma Sutras and Shankaracharya expounds this in his brilliant, commentary. I learnt much to my discomfiture that my Dad had picked up his concept not from some stray thought, but from an erudite discussion that Shankaracharya begins in the Brahma Sutra Commentary! With this said I throw open the subject for discussion. This thread is being specifically started to begin an interesting discussion at the insistence of a very interesting person I found on mylot: Cannibal whom I have made friends with exchanging private mails. He was initiating this dialog inspired by the question as raised by Fredrick 42 who is again another interesting friend of mine on mylot. REQUEST TO PEOPLE NOT INTERESTED IN THIS SUBJECT: Please choose to ignore this post.
2 responses
• Malaysia
4 Sep 09
hi Gadhi i see your expertism in BG, but what is your opinion on "Shiva Purana" ??
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
4 Sep 09
Sanjana, What do you want to know in the Shiva Purana? Please post your question. I would be glad to answer. If I do not know I will do some good reading thanks to your question.
• Malaysia
4 Sep 09
shiv purana says high and mighty on lord Shiva and there is even a comment on "rama" praying to "shiva" at a certain place .. so is shiv really the ultimate GOD ?? I belive in ONE GOD .. and that is Shiva being in other forms, even as Krishna, Rama, Vishnu ... Somewhat people who belive in Krishna seem to believe he is the ultimate and only one god .. this is the believe that divided Hindus in India .. between the fair skined Northern group and the dark skin south indian// next in ramayana ... ther were group of 'monkeys' who worked in forming the 'bridge' .. are they really monkeys or "dark skin Tamilians" because there is no evidence of the so called monkey with such hard working character and strength in existence now .. but such characters are part of the "tamilians" - this obidient hard working Tamilians are even used by the British to be sent all over the world to work as labours .. In malaysia in the rubber estates and in Burma to do up the rail tracks your opinion ??
@GADHISUNU (2162)
• India
4 Sep 09
Sanjana, it is sad that we Indians fell for the machinations of the divisive British who had an axe to grind. Sometimes, I feel greater damage to the Indian psyche was done by the British than by all the Muslim rulers put together. I would say for all their iconoclasm nad destruction of temples of the Hindus by the Muslims, they, even though they had possibly scant regard for the Hindu way of Life at least in the initial centuries, in my opinion, have not tampered with the Hindu Religious Literature the way these devious folks(British) did. It is the British who used archaeology and seemingly Scientific Temper-filled writings to amost buy the intellects of Indians, driving a wedge between the the Northerners and Southerners by bringing in ideas like the Aryan Invasion Theory, and positing a Dravidian Culture to have been existing in the Harappan Sites before the Aryans came and drove the Dravidians to South, and building so believale a theory as if Shiva and Skanda were Aryan Gods and Skanda taking Dravidian Consort in Valli- a tribal and Skanda the Son-in-law(of the Tamils!!!) being the originator of some very great Tamil works. What an imaginative Tale!!! Sanjana, honestly I for one, dont want to buy this theory at all. Here is my take: If only the so called Dravidian people drop down their unwanted defences, and listen: An Aryan is simply one who is a cultured person who adopts The Vedas as his culturre-defining Socio-religious Literature and an Authoritative Scripture. Tamil is a language that is just a simplified version of Sanskrit whose Grammar was authored by Sage Agastya of the Saptarshi Group, who was instructed by Lord Shive to move South to balance the "Load" up North and en passant to subjugate the Vindhya Mountains that were growing to a wedge between the North and South. This Agastya's disciple was Tolkappiar who is taken as the first author of the first wrok in Tamil, which is a book of grammar(syntax and semantics, Prosody, and Philology. The structure of TK is very close to Panini's Grammar of the Sanskrit Language called the Ashtadhyayi. Then Dravida is the Sanskrit word for Tamil- which would mean something like liquid-tongue( you could see this "expression" used for the shape of a very Futuristic language in H.G.Wells' Time Machine ). The fact that, of the Triad of Grammarians, of the Sanskrit Language- two of them were from the South of Vindhyas namely Katyayana - the Vartikakara(near about Maharashtra) and Patanjali the Bhashyakara(who lived in Chidambaram). It was at the behest of Lord Shiva, that Maharshi Patanjali - an avatar of Adishesha wrote the detailed commenatry - the most comprehensive and a final authority of Sanskrit Grammar! Those who did not believe in the authority of The Vedas were called dasyus or mlechchas. Those who did not contest the authoruty of The Vedas but were either lazy or rebelled against were vrAtyas. The Shiva Purana- one of the 18 Principal Puranas- is looking at the "Parabrahman" in the Form of Shiva. To a person who swears by the Shiva Purana or the Shaiva Agamas- hence called a shaiva, Shiva is the Super-Ordinate God to whom all the other God-concepts of the Vedic Pantheon were sub-servient. To a VaiShNavaite on the other hand, the Vaishnava Puranas: The ViShNu purANa The Matsya kurma varaaha and the others... culminating in the Srimad Bhagavatam are the defining works where the Parabrahman is conceived with ViShNu-NarayaNa as the Ultimate Godhood with the others subservient. There is nothing particularly Southern or Dravidian about Shiva since by numbers of followers or the versions of Shaivism:They are there in Kashmir as it is in Maharashtra or Gujarat or as much in Karnataka or Tamilnadu. The wide spread nature of Shiva worship is seen by the number of the holiest of holy shrines of Shiva being 1008 and those of Vishnu 108.Thus these cults are spread all over the country. For these puposes the Indian hinterland must be reckoned from the Hindu Kush Mountains in the North-West to The Indian Ocean in the South, from Arunachal and Assam in the North-East to Kerala or the so called Parashurama Kshetra in the South West. I can go on and on.I pause for some finger rest. And some interim reaction from you.
@bodhisatya (2384)
• India
8 Feb 10
Hello dear friend, This is an interesting topic to discuss. If it is so that the last thoughts are so important, then what about the deeds of the said person? I think the deeds, actions and the words or merely the quality of the person is more important when he is about to take the form of a new life. Bodhi
• India
9 Feb 10
I would like to read it.