What kind of message does this send to our children?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
United States
September 3, 2009 8:05pm CST
Apparently the president of the United States will give a speech to the children of country on Sept 8. Republicans are upset about this action, saying that he is just pushing his "socialist ideology". Republicans must be upset because the president talking about health care, or maybe even stimulating the economy. NO, he is going to talk to them about staying in school, and "RESPONSIBILTY" (what republicans like to say they want, but not always are, see Bush Ression for examples). To protest this, republicans are encouraged to call off work, and pull their kids out of school. Can anyone explain to me how calling off work, and depriving your child of a day of learning, is responsible? And, what kind of example are these people setting for their children?
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
4 Sep 09
It is setting a horrible example!! He is talking to them about staying in school & responsibility which are things that many kids are not inspired to do and be at home. I don't understand why any parent would block their kid from any learning experience about anything....even if they did not agree. If the president was talking to them about a policy that the parents did not agree with then let them hear it anyway. What a perfect opportunity to open up the communication with our kids. And with the economy as it is.....taking a day off from work?...just brilliant.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Sid, I agree with you, I just don't know why republicans are questioning THIS president. When we were told for the last 8 years that questioning the president made you UNAMERICAN. If republicans don't want our children to respect the office of president of the United States, then what ar they going to do if they ever get another one from their party in that office? This will just draw more and more people away from voting. I wonder if this was their plan the whole time.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Carson, I felt the same way about BUSH. But, the difference is, I was 100% right about him. Unlike YOU.
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@Carson11 (332)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I don't want this jerk saying anything to my kids!! I also don't want people who worship the devil talking to my kids! You got a problem with that? Do you think you can tell me how to raise my kids? Are we in Cuba? Who the hell are you? Do I tell you your kids will be told what I believe? I want you and Obama to keep your hands off my kids!
@wonttakelong (3555)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I am neither repeublic nor democratic
I am just one pissed off parent that does not appreciate the fact that the government is trying to do this
kids are already trying to cram in a huge ammount of curriculum in a short ammount of time and now we have to take time away from that to let them listen to the President boost his own political agenda off on children?
bullshyt!
I dont want my kids participating in this ridiculous display of communistic brainwashing indoctrination of children
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
So won, did you get upset with Bush did this? Are you going to take your child out of school so he will fall behind? Are you going to take off work to protest the president? Does this really make sense to you?
@wonttakelong (3555)
• United States
4 Sep 09
President Bush did not have a communist for an advisor did he?
I dont want anyone that associates and supports that sort of crap speaking to my children
can we say "stranger danger"? LOL
IF my school participates in this then yes I will keep my kids home
they will not fall behind because I will make sure that they get their necessary assignments completed at home.
the only message it will send to my kids is that their mom loves them and will do what is in the best interest of them
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
LMFAO, do you know who Karl Rove is (note the German spelling for Karl)? He was Bush's political advisor/Joesph Goebbels want to be, he was the man that outed a covert CIA opertive, he was also a protege of a Watergate conspirator, He called George McGovern (a WWII pilot) a "left-wingpeacenik", Rove also played a key role in selling the lies that led the country to war in Iraq. Rove, used key supporters in the RNC to create the propaganda machine "Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, that was funded by many Rove friends, and reportedly took their talking points from Rove. He is being investigated as we speak about the firing of US Attorneys, which many have proved were politicaly motivated. This man was a communist advisor, and you did NOTHING to stop it. Where were you?
"the only message it will send to my kids is that their mom loves them and will do what is in the best interest of them"
So, where has "their mom" been the last 8 years when Bush did the same thing? AWOL?
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Sep 09
Leave it to a little lying sack of parrot droppings like you to misrepresent the facts here.
First of all, it isn't the fact that the president wants to address the students that is the problem at all.
It is the follow on assignment that is the problem. It requires kids to support the president and his agenda. It encourages them to come up with goals towards supporting the president. It puts teachers in the position of making sure kids' goals conform with the president's agenda.
I have read the before, during and after speech assignments, so I do know of what I speak here. Have you read them? Do you have any idea what you are talking about?
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
4 Sep 09
Actually, I know a few liberals who are upset about this too. Only the ones stuck in Obama Worship don't get it.
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@calypsojeep (89)
• United States
4 Sep 09
This is exactly why parents are angry! What don't libs understand about it?
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@calypsojeep (89)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I'll be interested to see if he actually talks about staying in school and responsibility, or uses it as a platform for propaganda. You are correct that the Right is overreacting, as a visit from the President is a great honor for a child. However, he needs to keep it politically neutral.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Caly, did anyone complain when Bush talked to our children? Were we afraid that he would talk about politics? Why do so many people fear this president, when so few questioned that last one (and those that did, were RIGHT)?
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@calypsojeep (89)
• United States
4 Sep 09
In the original memo sent out by the Obama camp, it was noted that the speech would be about how children can help our President and about what they can do for him.
Not about how they can help our country. Not about how they can improve their own lives. About how they can help our President.
I'd be reasonably ticked off if I were a parent too.
Bush never did this.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Caly, Bush did speak to our school children, and he even asked them to help fund his political needs by supporting a fund that sent money to the Afghan children. Here is your link:
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-17908552.html
http://www.edweek.org/login.html?source=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/10/24/08relief.h21.html&destination=http://www.edweek.org/ew/articles/2001/10/24/08relief.h21.html&levelId=2100
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Sep 09
I want to adress one thing first and get it out of the way. I noticed in multiple responses, you used the canned "where were you when Bush did it" line. I do not remember Bush ever making such an adress to the nations schools. And on 9/11, one date you mentioned him speaking to kids, it seems I remember he was reading a story to them, not adressing them on his agenda or how they cn help him further this agenda, or anything else for that matter, the man was reading stories. Now, I think you are already aware of my contempt for that administration and yes, I would have had just as many hairs raised over this, even more so since MY kids would have been in school at the time. If you can provide me with a national adress that Bush made scpecificly to school children, a video link or something along those lines, I will concede I was wrong on that point and admit I dropped the ball, but I cannot recall any of my daughters comming home and telling me about an address to them from Bush followed by a day of learning activities in the school in relation to it. Now I remember the first Bush doing something like this, I only had one kid in school at the time and I also remember people freaking out over it, including many congressional democrats, it was huge controversy ayt the time and this was with out all the planned activities and learning assesories afterwords, it was just a speech, but the response from Democrats was to loudly protest it.
Now, here are my thoughts on this particular event. If Obama wants to encourage children to work hard and stay in school GREAT, I think it's a wonderfull idea. However, I do want to adress another concern of mine that ties directly in to this. I responded in a similar thread on the last page in this discussion and I think my response can be relevent here. I refer you to this discussion:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/2122218.aspx
Again, if all he is going to do is encourage children to stay in school, that would be one thing. This just has the whole feel of something else, it's subtle, very subtle, but very concise, as is most everything with this administration, one must step back and look at it in context with thel larger picture.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
4 Sep 09
I didn't pull my kids out of school when Reagan spoke because I didn't have kids in school when Reagan was president.
As to the Bush request for "donations to Afghan children." Hmmm. I poured over youtube for a video of the speech, to see what it entailed, but as I recalll, it wasn't a specific adress to school children at school and it certainly wasn't followed by a day of learning activites pertaining to it. As to the propriety of him asking children to donate to afghan children, seems inocuous enough, but again, I don't have a copy of the speech for context and the link you provided only gave a few lines of the story and I would have to had signed up for a free trial to see the rest. But again, this is a completely different scenario, htis is an adress by a president targeted at school children with a day of planned activities pertaining to it with materials provided by the department of eduation, Bush's suggestion for donations to afghan children does not even begin to compair with what Obama and the department of education is palnning, this is pretty much unprecidented, you cannot even begin to compair that with what is planned for next week.
I cannot say what he is going to be saying, because it isn't posted yet, apparently it won't be untill monday, but when it is posted, i will probably have more to add and say.
I will say again that if....IF all he is going to do is encourage children to stay in school, I think it's great and I would aplaud it, even encourage it. BUt this smells fishy. DOes that make me paranoid? I would like to think of it as being vigilant rather than paranoid. I remember the ditto head culture and it is back in some capacity. Fear is being used by both sides, that is certain. But there is a very different air to things now and the concern is far more pressing. There are also a good many who are showing this concern not over a democrat or republican party, but of government in general, that cannot be stressed enough, despite the bursts of manufactured partisan protests comming from both sides of the sheep pen, there is a very large movement now that has had it with the whole lot of them, an awakening of sorts. An awakening that if nothing else, I can thank Bush for.
I will have far more to say once the text of the speech is released and even more after the actual speech and reports of various school activities begin to come out. I wish I still had kids in school so I could spend the day with them in school and participate in this, I used to spend a lot of time in the school and I miss it. Maybe I can adopt a neighbor's kid for the day just for this event, lol.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Won, if the Reagan administration had release the speech before he gave it to your children, would you still have let them get a lesson in politics from a partisan president? There is one word for that: Hypocracy.
@wonttakelong (3555)
• United States
4 Sep 09
it definitely smells rotten doesnt it?
there was very little notice and a whole lot of mystery to it
Why are they not releasing the text of the speech to parents until monday?
why the need to change the speech after parents complained?
are they really going to stick to the new speech or try to sneak in their hidden agenda?
how are we supposed to trust an administration that tries to sneak around behind our backs and brainwash our children?
these are just a few of the questions I ask myself
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Sep 09
The day this broke into the news it was just a copy of the Teacher's Guide document and there were many comments from people saying they were concerned about the speech and the guidelines that directed teachers to make this a focus of the curriculum. They weren't being told by anyone, including the Republican party, to take their kids out of school. This had only been on the net a few hours and people were contemplating keeping the kids home. Why?
The press release from the White House was not up yet on whitehouse.gov. I know because I went looking for it. There was no information on what the president would be speaking about. No text of his speech at all.
The guidelines for teachers instruct them to talk to the children about why it is important to listen to and support elected officials. It instructed teachers to ask children what they can do to serve President Obama. This is the wrong way round, isn't it? We don't serve elected officials, they serve us. They are our employees. We hire them, decide how long they work and tell them what WE want them to do. We don't serve them, this isn't a monarchy. This language was completely inappropriate. Evidence of this is that the White House has now changed that question, not enough, but they did change it.
Now, I think it's fine if the President wants to encourage children to learn, take advantage of their education and set goals. What isn't acceptable is for him to use it as a platform for promoting himself. We aren't in service to him. One of the guidelines for the 7-12 grades says that goals should be "Challenging, Attainable and Needed (CAN)". This is a bit close to his campaign slogan and it's evident by the fact that "Needed" was obviously chosen to complete the anagram.
We know now that we will be able to see the text of his remarks the day before he makes the speech. If he wants to talk about staying in school and studying hard, that's cool with me. But he needs to make sure this isn't about him or about his administration or about what we can do for him. I am still not crazy about his hijacking the whole day of school for studying his speech - that's a fairly egotistical move, I think. He doesn't own the kids, he can give them a nice pep talk but that should be the end of it, it shouldn't be used as a platform for trying to resurrect his dying approval ratings.
I don't want my kids home, I spent the whole summer with them and now it's the school's turn. I won't keep them home but I know these kids, they aren't going to be listening anyway...
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Sep 09
When I was in second grade, my teacher not only had the Pledge on the chalkboard but when we had learned that, she put the Gettysburg Address. When we had learned that, it was the preamble to the Constitution.. and so on. I learned what my country stood for early on in life.
I don't think your teacher should have put the president's name in the pledge, not any of them, not even Reagan. It's not right to pledge to the president above other things, not above the Constitution.
Parents would have been less worried if they had been told - they still haven't, btw. The materials went to the schools on August 26. My kids have been in school since Sept 1 and so far no word on this. Considering that they will view this on Tuesday and they don't have school again before that due to the holiday weekend, I guess no one is going to tell the parents about it.
Why are so many concerned? No one seems to notice that they are our kids and no one bothers to tell us what they have planned.
The other concern is the suggested guide for teachers and curriculum for studying Barack Obama, his life, his presidency, etc., after the speech. No other president has commanded a day for all schoolchildren to learn about him. I think that's a very egotistical move and for that alone, I would consider them missing school.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
mater, this is going to happen on Sept 8, next Tuesday. Like you said, we have been told what the subject matter is going to be. But, there are people who want to make this something else so they can gain power. The easiest way to control people is through fear, and that is exactly what these people are doing. The sad part is how many people on here have taken the bait, and ran with it.
When I was a kid I remember doing the pledge every single morning, and just because someone put a name to the title doesn't bother me at all. I remember when I was in grade school I had a teacher that was a huge Reagan fan, and wanted us to use his name instead of the president in the pledge. But, in order to make this more even, we had to use all of the presidents, it was an intersting way of getting kids to learn the all of the presidents.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
4 Sep 09
To anyone with good sense, "serving" politicians is bad news. I think Debater might want in on that video with Anthony Kiedis and Aston Kutcher where they pledge their allegiance to President Barack Obama.
Different worlds is all.
Some people feel they should be subservient to the President and other politicans. Others feel that they should serve us. It's not like the intended setup matters in today's America (outside of some concerned citizens). Politicans on both sides of the ailse do all they can to trash any and every founding document/principle.
As far as Obama's subject matter is concerned, I agree with you: the speech should be about staying in school and the importance of education, not about Obama and what kids can do to serve their elected officials.
I don't know which it's going to be about(heck, I don't even know if it's happened yet lol), but I'm sure myLot will be buzzing, one way or the other, after it's all over.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Our children are really receiving plenty of mixed messages these days! I guess if this President tells kids to stay in school and get a good education it must be bad. They're also learning that it's OK to boo a woman in a wheelchair at a town hall meeting and keep her from asking her question. I guess I should be really messed up since apparently everything I was taught as a child by my "liberal" parents is now evil. You know, socialist ideas like respect, responsibility and tolerance...lol!
Annie
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Annie, what more would you expect from MyLot? According to republicans we shouldn't respect the office of the president (when a Democrat is in office that is), and we should question when ever the president wants to talk to our children. If only these people would have told us this years ago, maybe more would have questioned Bush more, and we wouldn't be in this situtation.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I saw that video of the women who was booed, and harassed at that town hall. I would love to hear the right wingers defend the person who heckled her whe he said "I didn't come here to listen other people's opinions, my rights are no less important the a women in a wheelchair". I guess that "compassion" left the conservative movement with Bush.
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@piasabird (1737)
• United States
4 Sep 09
All dictators do this kind of thing. Should we really be surprised?
@calypsojeep (89)
• United States
4 Sep 09
DUDE, get over bashing Bush. He's not President anymore. Let's focus on the current problem.
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Is that now what we call presidents? Because they have all done it. Reagan, the first Bush and the second Bush. I don't know about Clinton I'm sure it would be easy to find out but, I was only looking for Republicans that did it.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Piasa, I guess you do have a point. BUSH did this, and he sure was a dictator.
@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
4 Sep 09
MasterDebater,
Why is everything that Obi does compared to what Bush did? If Bush was so bad why do you want to see BhO act just the same? There is a HUGE difference between Bush and Obi. Bush for the most part supported the Constitution. Not in every way but he wasn't like Obama who simply wants "Change" when it comes to American Freedom, Sovereignty And Rights. Here are Three good reasons why I for one would like to see Obama and this countries' children kept apart.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l3GjPNzHmJw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qr3v7Vsg3uY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=awR8MKbnXM4
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
5 Sep 09
And worstdebaterever ignores yet another person he can't debate. Not that he can debate anyone. Lucky you!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Irish, there are certain people on here that are worth my time (at times you are, and at times you are not, all depends on the subject, and if you are willing to listen) Morethan isn't worth my time, nor is Carson.
More's statement would be like someone saying that Obama is the greatest president we have ever had. If someone said that, would you try to debate that? IT ISN'T WORTH YOUR TIME. Any questions?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
5 Sep 09
"Bush for the most part supported the Constitution"
If you really believe this, then you aren't even worth my time. IGNORED!!
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Kids pre-K to sixth are the least likely to listen. Especially the younger ones who have a hard enough time sitting still. Thank god, this will just pass over their heads.
If it is simply to tell the kids how important an education is and to stay in school, that's one thing. Anything other than that should be questioned as to what Obama's reasons are.
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Wasn't he reading a story about a goat or something? Don't make me out to me a Bush supporter because I wasn't. And I was unaware that Bush was still in the White House. No, wait, I guess he really is still president. OMG!!!
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Irish, Bush addressed school children in October 2001 about donating $1. to the American's fund for Afghan Children. Don't you remember this, this was money sent to the children of Afghansitan for HEALTH CARE (about $10 million worth), and medicine that they lack.
The point of this is that this isn't the first time this has happened, and all of you right wingers never said a word when Bush, or Reagan did it, and had political ties to their speeches. Do you really want to talk about what REAGAN said to school children?
http://mediamatters.org/blog/200909030020
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Irish, did Democrats go after Bush when he did talked to school kids? We all remember 9/11 when he was talking to school kids. Did Democrats question what he was talking to them about? Don't you think this is sad that republicans are so caught up in fear of EVERYTHING that they THINK they have to question everything the president does. We all know that republicans didn't question much (if any) of what Bush did, so why do it now?
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@Fortunata (1135)
• United States
4 Sep 09
These 'people', as you refer to them, have a right in what their children see/listen to in school, and that includes propaganda by the president of the United States. The children are not 'owned' by the statists. Why are you afraid of Sarah Palin?
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Fortunata, did you question the speeches of Bush and Reagan when they did the same thing? Did you even know they did this? I wouldn't pull my kids out of school because Bush was talking (as much as disagree with 99.9% of the things he did) to them, and I didn't question his motives (like most on here are), even though it had to do with a country that we just spend billions on invading (and I considered both his, and Reagan's propaganda). The man hasn't said a word to any children, and yet lies are flying around as if he has. Why can't we wait to see what he has to say, just like we did for Bush and Reagan. Or does the president of the United States not deserve that respect?
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Well my issue is he is talking to the wrong people. He should be talking to the parents not the students. So the president tells them to take school seriously. Then they go home to parents who do not make them do their homework or helping them with classes they are having problems with. Parents that are not reading to their kids everyday or making their kids read everyday. Parents that do not go to parent teacher conference. It will not have any lasting effect.
It is not something teachers or the president can change. THe parents can. Parents need to be more involved with their children's education. On a daily basis. That will effect "change". In my opinion parents are the only ones who can really fix the educatoin problem in this country. If parents won't make their child's education a top priority in their lives....then their children won't either no matter what teachers or the president says to them.
I am fine with the President talking about the importance eduaction (as long as that is all he talks about). But he would do more good talking to the parents instead of the children. Parents are the ones who can make the necessary changes needed to make sure their child is learning to the best of their ability. So I feel he is wasting his time.
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@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Lil, I agree that the parents have alot of blame when it comes to children who drop out, or don't even bother going. The problem that I have seen personally is that the parents aren't worth talking to. I have three families on my block that allow their kids to do what they will, the cops are down my street all of the time, either talking to them, or responding to calls that they have done something illegal. Do you really think that these parents care about their schooling when they don't even care to have them around? Atleast the kids have MIGHT listen to the president, when the parents (many examples in this post) will only complain about politics, and how the schools are failing, not their kids (and CERTAINLY not them).
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
LiL, so what is the solution to this problem? It is like I tell my boss: I would rather try to explain something that people don't care to hear, rather then just call them a lost cause and move on. Maybe something will happen to these people, and they will get it, and turn into good parents. But, I think it would be better to help the kids who can tell their parents that I NEED to go to school today, or I will end up like YOU. I don't think it can hurt to try to help these kids with parents like this out. If you can help just one kid, isn't it worth it?
@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I see those kind of parents too. Don't make their kids go to school. Don't make them do anything. There are laws against it and I am glad to see them get into trouble for it.
But there are other parents that are the problem TOO. The parents who think that all they have to do is put their kids on the school bus everyday or drop them off every day in front of the school and their job is done. They don't read to them. Don't go over their homework with them. Don't do projects with them. They think the school is responsible for teaching their kids.The whole "it's not my responsibility, it's the schools" parents. I see them more than I see the ones you were talking about. They are just as much a part of the problem as the parents who don't make their kids go to school.
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@crysontherocks77 (1273)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Wasn't these the same republicans that stated that they would reject any effort for there state to get what money was coming to them from the stimulus package? Anyways, I think that this is just another way for the republicans to try to say that what the president is doing is not fair. And to some it might not be, but everyone knew what he would be doing when he got into office so how much of this is actually surprising anyone. I done my research before I voted for obama. I personally would have thought that hillary clinton would have done a better job than obama. Look at her experience in the white house. I think for me it was just the lesser of two evils and obama seemed to have a better grip on his plans in general and overall. I would like to see more in the health care part on preventative measures such as extending dental care to older adults not just until they are 19 and lowering the age of being able to receive benefits without counting your parents income. These are just issues important to me and so because none of that is being talked about I'm just not really interested in it at all. i've been keeping track of what's going on but if it come down to it I would have to say that the stimulus package was even disappointing to me and every plan he has brought seems to be more oposition than the one before. I also think that he is doing this so he can get the children's reactions on the community service deal. I think it's important for them to work. But they shouldn't be forced to do it. i was working at 16 and I remember mom telling me that the only way we would be able to get what we wanted and sometimes what we needed was if we got a job and started to work. My dad was that tight with his money. I had to pay out of my own pocket for things that I got for school, for prom, and even some pictures that we got and I don't think it's fair for them to be put in a position to have to take time out of there school work and there extra curricular activities. I was pulling 30 or more hours a week and doing school and taking private lessons and doing tennis and other activities. I think that he needs to put the community service on hold and focus more on the physical activities that these children get while they are at school. Why not have the hours they put into extra curricular activities go towards the hours for customer service. I put in countless hours with highschool band and choir and chorale going to clinics and doing competitions and football and other stuff and really they should focus on that because the accomplishment they feel for giving back in an activity like that will be far greater than forcing someone to do community service.