Woman in Wheelchair Booed and Shouted Down at N.J. Town Hall Meeting
By anniepa
@anniepa (27955)
United States
September 4, 2009 2:56pm CST
There really isn't much to say about this, is there? I guess I'd just like to know if anyone else found this to be as disgusting as I did!
http://www.ireport.com/docs/DOC-324434
This disabled woman was treated so totally disrespectfully I think those who booed her and made unkind comments should be ashamed of themselves. Any comments?
Annie
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23 responses
@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Pretty f_ing sad! Should we expect any less from the heartless conservatives out there?
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Yeah that's why I tried to bold heartless but for some reason bold never works for me. We have a growing list of conservatives with hearts here on mylot.
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Sep 09
I guess I must be missing something here. People regularly shout and argue at these meetings. Should they not disagree or shout because she's in a wheelchair? Wouldn't treating her as if she didn't have the ability to deal with that as much as anyone else be treating her as if she wasn't equal? I get really confused on these issues, honestly.
I say this because I have MS and sometimes I go places in a wheelchair, usually it depends on the distances involved and how much time would require standing because I have physical limitations. I don't have any mental limitations and so if I were to argue from my chair, from a standing position or while holding onto a walking frame, I would expect reactions to my statements, especially if I knew that the majority of the people in the room disagreed with me. I wouldn't expect them to pat me on the head and go "awwww". That would be insulting. If you disagree with me, by all means, let's debate. Don't just agree with me because you think it would be unsympathetic to my disability.
I would say it was disgraceful if they were all making fun of her disability, but they didn't. And that fellow was right to say he had the same rights as she did, and she has the same rights as he does. No one gets more rights than others.
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@ShepherdSpy (8544)
• Omagh, Northern Ireland
6 Sep 09
I watched the segment..the hecklers were Calling out repeatedly "What's Your Question?!" I can only assume it was a Q&A Session,and She was apparently reading a statement.Undeniably Her Concerns were Valid about her condition and ability to afford medication and household expenses,but those heckling didn't want to hear what she had to say if it wasn't a direct question...Is there any further info on what the meeting was about?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I personally don't think anyone should shout and boo at a town hall meeting. Exactly WHAT gets accomplished when that happens besides someone getting a video tape of it to put on You-Tube and then all over the TV news? You say you would "expect reactions to my statements, especially if I knew that the majority of the people in the room disagreed with me." Fine, of course you'd "expect reactions", Rollo, but I'd feel the same about them having this particular KIND of reaction to you as I do about this woman. I'm with you when you say, "by all means, let's debate" but does "debate" have to mean be disrespectful and loud? How is it a "debate" when one person is being drowned out by boos and jeers? I'm also with you on everyone having EQUAL rights but I think it stands to reason that when there is someone in a wheelchair or with some other obvious indication of a disability or illness that person could possibly bring a different perspective to the issue of health care than a crowd of people who are for the most part healthy and/or have access to very good health care? It's not very "equal" if someone like that isn't allowed to be heard, is it?
Annie
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
4 Sep 09
I watched the video. I could hear what she said because she had a microphone. I couldn't discern what the shouters were saying. I assume they didn't say anything about her wheelchair because if they had, the commentator wouldn't have repeated the line about her not having more rights that was said by one man.
I don't want anyone to feel like they have to defend me, or give me special consideration and most disabled people want you to respect them. Sometimes respecting someone is responding to them exactly as you would to someone who is not disabled.
I don't have the right to expect anyone to pass a bad bill that will affect millions of Americans in a detrimental way just because I might get a few nice perks out of it. If I expected that, I wouldn't deserve respect.
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@iriscot (1289)
• United States
5 Sep 09
That's pretty SICK, who are those jerks, I guess they don't have any respect for anyone else. It's a good example of the "Me" generation, it's all about me, and I don't care about anyone else. Shame...Shame...Shame on them, did somebody plant them there, it looks like they did!
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Hold the boat iriscot, I don't think there's a "me" generation, I think there's a "me" side of the political spectrum....But, you're right shame on them.
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@morethanamolehill (1586)
• United States
20 Sep 09
Actually It is the "right thinkers" who see the country as a melting pot of American Culture. It is the "wrong thinkers who see only Males and Females, Rich and Poor, Black and White, Right and Left. And of course everyone who doesn't agree with them is either a bigot or a homophobe.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
4 Sep 09
This is very sad, but I am sure it doesn't surprise anyone keeping up with this situation, and the hate that is taking over the health care debate. I guess that "compassion" left the conservative movement when Bush did.
@thegreatdebater (7316)
• United States
6 Sep 09
Annie, I am sure that the words Bush and moron have been used in a sentence millions of times.
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@bigjim59 (32)
• United States
5 Sep 09
America! Stand up and be just as loud as these misguided people in the town halls! Don't let corporate greed win like they did in 1993. Get off your butts and DO SOMETHING! BE HEARD! Don't let the mob rule created by the RNC and their fat-cat special interest allies be the only one's making the headlines! If change is going to come, it's not going to come easy, or without a price. Just ask the civil rights workers who were there in 1965. Get up off your couches and do something about making change happen! Don't expect Obama to make it all better without your help.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 09
Great response and welcome to myLot, bigjim38! You're so right about the corporate greed. I'd really had high hopes that they wouldn't get away with it again like they had in 1993 but I'm starting to really worry now. Obviously, the ones who make the most noise and get the most people to show up at these town hall meeting, rallies and "tea parties" are those who are against change because those who need health care reform the most are either too sick to make their voices heard or are caring for someone who is sick. Those who have good insurance are living with the delusion that nothing can ever take it away from them but little do they know that they, too, could be one illness or injury away from disaster. I don't think I'd have ever expected the disgraceful behavior we've been seeing at some of these meetings! Is it going to become necessary to fight fire with fire?
Annie
@bonbon664 (3466)
• Canada
5 Sep 09
Everyone has an opportunity for their opinions to be heard, and the crowd should have had the respect to let her speak her mind. Wheelchair or not, she should have been able to say what she had to say.
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@whiteheather39 (24403)
• United States
4 Sep 09
That video had to have been the worst display of humanity I have seen in a long time. I was appalled at such behaviour and I do not care which party (D or R) of town-hall it was, it was shameful. If I was these hecklers I would be very afraid because I am a firm believer in "what goes around comes around", Karma,etc., so these people may one day be in a similar situation as the poor lady!
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
5 Sep 09
All I can say is dittos, dittos, dittos for your whole response! Karma can really be a bytch, can't it? I've seen it in action more than once and I'm pretty sure it will get these jerks. I totally agree, I don't care what party anyone is from, what party the person holding the rally or town hall meeting belongs to or whether the rude a--holes are for or against health care reform, there is NO GOOD REASON for people to be rude and disrespectful of each other.
Annie
@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
5 Sep 09
So far, I have seen nothing to indicate this woman was a plant, I'm sure someone would have jumped on it by now and beside....I nosed around myself. I can so far find no other refernce to this womans name on the web or in connection with any group or organization.
What we have here is more plain simple boorish rude mob behavior, the same behavior that has poluted the whole health care "conversation". I am not even looking at the wheel chair, though it does make a convenient spin on the story for some media outlets doesn't it?
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 09
I know and have known quite a few disabled people and I agree with those who have posted here when they say they don't want to be treated "special". However, it can't be denied that the fact this woman WAS in a wheelchair brought attention to this particular even it wouldn't have otherwise gotten. I think it's important as we attempt to debate an important issue such as health care reform that we get different perspectives. I don't consider it giving this woman or anyone else who happens to be disabled "special treatment" to be a bit more respectful than someone who is maybe jumping around swinging his fists at those who disagree with him. I think EVERYONE should be respectful of EVERYONE ELSE at these meetings but it doesn't look like that's going to happen, does it?
Annie
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
6 Sep 09
I think that any heckling for any reason is wrong. It looks especially bad when directed at a disabled person. The heckling started before she started speaking so it is difficult to see how it was aimed at what she was saying. It seemed to me that they just did not want to hear what she said. Maybe the hecklers wanted to speak themselves but there is also no indication of this. They just seem to be interested in shouting down anyone they felt like.
They should be ashamed of themselves. Especially in a country that makes a big issue of free speech.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 09
I always find it so interesting when someone from a country that has universal health care posts here and totally contradicts what many Americans are saying about your countries' systems! They apparently know more about your country than you know...lol!
Annie
@sharra1 (6340)
• Australia
6 Sep 09
I think this is just another example of how nasty people are these days. I am puzzled about how people who claim to be Christians can be so hostile to other humans. What ever happened to compassion for the welfare of human kind.
Instead what you have is a world ruled by greed and selfishness. Living in a country where we have a universal health system I know that it can work. It does need money and the only way that can happen is through Government revenue. We accept that. We pay our taxes and we expect to get value for those taxes. Health is one of these big issues.
If you take the other view point and only have health care for those who can pay for it then it means that you do not care if others die just because they cannot pay the exorbitant fees that private systems charge. In our system the fees that doctors charge are set by the government. That does not mean that the doctor cannot charge more, it means that the patient will only be reimbursed for that fee. If the doctor charges more then the patient pays the gap. The doctors regulate themselves so that their fees are reasonable. They know that people will not go to them if they charge too much.
I find the fees that your doctors charge incomprehensible. I have heard that some of them are just plain rude to poor people and treat them with contempt. In this country a doctor would be punished for such behaviour. I have never encountered behaviour like this in Australia.
Anyway if these people who want a user pays system that only treats the very rich because no one else can afford it are prepared to let those who are ill or wounded die just because they are poor then why are they so opposed to abortion and euthanasia? Perhaps they just like to watch suffering as it makes them feel superior or maybe they are just too selfish to care about anyone but themselves. Rather reminiscent of a young female French aristocrat who complained that there were dirty starving people where she could see them. The people were begging for food as there was a severe food shortage. She did not want to stop them starving she just requested that the soldiers move them to an area where she would not see them. I believe she lost her head to the guillotine during the revolution when the dirty people she did not like, struck back.
I find myself believing that unless we change drastically in the next few years we will indeed have the urban warfare between the have and have nots that so many science fiction writers have predicted.
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@EnglishTeaDuck (862)
• United States
6 Sep 09
Sharral, well said.
The reason many people from countries with universal health care post on these threads is because it is so frustrating to hear people everyday telling outright lies about your country.
I am not surprised people oppose the idea, because what is being described to you over here as the way we live under this system is nothing to do with what it is actually. Yes, there are problems with it, and yes, America has to find the right solution for America, which may not be the same.
But if I had the choice which system to live under - having experienced it for 5 years now, I believe the system in America is horrific and if that means I'm a socialist (a dirty word here!) then I will happy stand on a rooftop and shout it.
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@Opal26 (17679)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Hey annie~ I just don't understand how those people could be
so completely disrespectly to anyone speaking let alone a
woman in a wheelchair! What prompted them to boo her? Why
should they be allowed to speak and not her? What gives them
more rights the she has? These are the things that bother
me when people find out that I too am disabled they right
away take a completely different tone with me! I also worked
for over 30 years and worked damn hard, long hours and lots
of stress! So who gives anyone the right to talk down to me
because I am disabled, maybe not in a wheelchair, thank God!
I find this reaction to this woman to completely inexcusable!
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@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
6 Sep 09
We are all live equal in the eyes of God. No beautiful,no ugly,no disable person, and everything is equal in the eyes of God.
Those people must be shame to their self. Because they are ugly in the eyes of God. Even do we are created God, see us equal. But God not consider those evil and sinner as a human and God, says they should be punish and put to hell if they are not change...
We should know that all of us is not a perfect creation of God. Because we committed mistake and sin. Even do you are beautiful and some says perfect body and everything is perfect but how about your behavior? Your character dealing with people with disabilities? How can you treat people?
Is your heart have a pure things in inside. We should respect each other. Because we all have right to live and most of all right to be respected...
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
12 Sep 09
I agree totally! Some of the most physically beautiful people in the world can be very ugly if they're ugly inside. On the other hand, there are people whose features aren't attractive at all but the goodness of their character makes them absolutely beautiful.
Annie
@aerous (13434)
• Philippines
7 Sep 09
For me my friend. Ugliness is a bad character of the person posses. Even if you are beautiful to see outside but your behavior is not good. I will say that person is ugly.
What do you think, my friend. Isn't that physical appearance being the measurement of ugliness? Are you a beautiful person?
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@EnglishTeaDuck (862)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Wow, I need to start avoiding health care debate threads but its getting addictive....lol....having lived in England and America, I have no doubt which side of the debate I am on, and I pray every day that my husband will decide he wants to move back to England away from the people who think its fine to insult me and rant at me because I come from one of those evil countries with socialized healthcare.
If you've seen any of my posts on here you'll see why I say I need to stop posting onit, because I am more and more angry!
But anyway, how does my moaning apply to this woman?! Well, I honestly don't think
her being in a wheelchair has much to do with it. I applaud her for everything she was saying - I am also disabled and I agree, its just impossible - I don't want any sympathy or different treatment to anyone else, but as she said, you simply cannot afford to have any long term health problem here. So good for her for speaking up.
But, whether she is in a wheelchair or not, if you speak up for that side of the debate, then you will be yelled at, and I think she would have been if she'd said the same thing standing up.
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@suspenseful (40193)
• Canada
4 Sep 09
My speaker on my computer have gone to speaker hell so they do not work. Why was the woman in the wheelchair booed and shouted down? Was it because she was in a wheelchair? Was it because she said her condition was worse? Was it because the booers did not like disabled people and were just plain mean? If it is the latter, then that is not right. If they are booing her because she feels that Obamacare is a godsend (it is not. If she were in Canada, she might have to wait months to get treatment for her condition), that is a different story.
Anyway no matter what, it is not right to insult people who are worse off then you. It is not that you may be in the same condition, but we are supposed to protect the weak and not revile them.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I really don't know what the reasons were for her being booed and drowned out, Suspenseful. My speakers don't work either but I saw this on TV and all I could really hear for the most part were the "boos" and jumbled shouting. I also don't know what she thinks of "Obamacare". She wanted some answers to some questions she had is all I know. I don't think it's right to act rudely and disrespectfully to others in a public forum like that no matter how much someone may disagree with them.
Annie
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@ZephyrSun (7381)
• United States
4 Sep 09
She starts getting the boos when she said that she is afraid of not being able to pay her property taxes and losing her home because her medication is $389 every 2 weeks. The reporter said one man was asked by he booed her and he said something that his rights were no less important than some woman in a wheelchair. By the way that isn't exact word for word but pretty close.
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@Koriana (302)
• United States
5 Sep 09
we left new york about four years ago because, well, every year, they were pointing to the cost of healthcare as an excuse to raise the property taxes, and whatever else they thought they could get away with. so, there is a relationship there. Especially well, I know of alot of people in ny drawing from medicaid, medicare, that are perfectly able to work! her property taxes are paying for their persciptions! yet, there's no way she can pay for hers.
I've been there, you can't imagine how irrating it is to listen to the polywogs gripe about how they need more money from you to pay for all these people who gee, seem to be getting around far better than I was, and then, well, those very same polywogs can't even supply the money to have the roads paved in the morning when you drive 50 miles to that higher paying job you work at because well, you need the higher paying job just to pay their danged taxes and still reek out of living! Heck, alot of times, far too many, my husband had to turn around and head back home, he would run into a six foot wall running across the highway at the county line! there were many other times when he never made it out of the driveway till afternoon waiting for them to pave it....they needed the money for healthcare and well, doing away with overtime for the road crew was one of things they chose to get it!
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@clrumfelt (5490)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Those who shouted the woman down were acting rude. People should have a chance to air their grievances at the town halls, but there's no need to be rude to others who also have valid concerns. If the fellow complaining about his rights wanted to speak, he should be respectful to others and wait his turn.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
5 Sep 09
It was sad that she got shouted down. Everyone has the right to speak their opinion and it was wrong for people to shout at her without first letting her finish her statement. What I don't like is the way you seem to feel it's only a crime because she was in a wheelchair. You haven't shown any concern for the attendants who have been shouted down by their own representatives or people bussed in by Obama and his cronies. The fact that this woman is in a wheelchair means nothing to me. She is a citizen and should be treated with respect just like other people who attend these town halls.
I also wonder why MSNBC and Democrats like Pelosi kept saying these weren't real Americans, but suddenly someone supports the same agenda as them so she must be the only real American at any town hall meeting.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
6 Sep 09
First of all, Taskr, I said nothing about this being a "crime". I said it's a disgrace, and it is, just as the behavior at these town hall meetings in general have been disgraceful. I really don't care what side of the health care fight (it sure isn't a DEBATE!) anyone is if they can't be respectful of others in attendance. I guess it's just the way I was raised but while everyone deserves equal rights and everyone should be treated with respect there are some people who we should maybe go out of our way for. An elderly person may not have more rights than a young person but shouldn't we be a bit more cautious in a crowd not to knock a little old lady down? I'm not sure why Nancy Pelosi's name comes up so often here because I really haven't seen nor heard much from her lately. I don't recall hearing her or anyone from MSNBC saying anyone wasn't a "real American"!
Annie
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Mind you, this is only an opinion. I wonder if she was thought to be a plant. We saw it with the fake doctor and I wouldn't be surprised if those who were there thought she was a plant too.
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@anniepa (27955)
• United States
4 Sep 09
I don't have a link to the interview I saw her give on TV but I THINK she said this meeting was in her own neighborhood where she knows most of the people and that there were people there she'd never seen. I'm sure she said something about having heard there were some bused in from New York.
Annie
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@irishidid (8687)
• United States
4 Sep 09
Sadly, both sides are bussing in people. It hurts the debate and those who really are there with concerns get pushed to the back.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
5 Sep 09
hi anniepa those people should indeed be ashamed of themselves'but]from what I see on mylot anything seems to go when people get enmeshed intheir political beliefs,they become mean and sarcastic and cannot think of anything but their darned political beliefs. and no i am not blaming OBama for this.
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@andy77e (5156)
• United States
5 Sep 09
Depends on what she said and how she acted. I don't think people randomly start attacking disabled people. It also depends on if she was actually disabled or not. The Democrats have been routinely planting fake people in the audience to support their crap health care plan.
So I would likely be skeptical of such a person.
I also don't think that being disabled entitles you to anything. So if she is carrying on about how we all owe her simply because she's in a chair, no sorry that doesn't fly. I'd likely boo that anti-freedom statement too.
So it depends. I'd have to see what she said.
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