" worst beating ever. I hated to do it but she had to learn."
@Hatley (163776)
Garden Grove, California
September 6, 2009 5:04pm CST
What did she really learn, how to pick on younger kids, how to beat your own kids, how to teach kids to be wife beaters when they grow up?
I can understand a couple of swats on the seat very ocassionally but to beat savagely just to socalled teach your child, that to me is cruelty not discipline. what is your take on beating? I was never beaten as a kid and I grew up to be a good kind person.
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@fwidman (11514)
• United States
6 Sep 09
There is a fine line between discipline and outright cruelty, and beating anyone crosses that line. I wasn't beaten as a kid although that leather strop my stepfather used on me wasn't exactly pleasant It did teach me a valuable lesson though, never upset the man to anger
(In fairness to my stepfather, I would have probably done the same things to my stepkids in his situation)
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Sep 09
hi fwidman my mon had what I called the face and wow wasit'formidable.
She could look like the devil incarnate,that sweet kind woman,and I would just melt in remorse when I had caused her to make that face. she never hit me but looking at the face made me afraid she would andIreally was a pretty well behaved child. my sister on the other hand waS spoiled rotten because she was mentally retarded.so she could actually have been better off to have an ocassional whack on the butt when she misbehaved. all kids no matter what do need limits.
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@mommaj (23112)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I don't know about the mental retardation comment. If your sister was mentally retarded then it is best not to hit her because she may not understand why she was hit. She could put it together that it is okay to hit. I know they can make parents want to beat them, but it really is best to never hit a mentally challenged child.
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@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
7 Sep 09
Hello my friend
How are you today?
Well I say as a child my mom use to beat us not wild and crazy but enough to do the job, she raised four children and when we did not listen she took out her strap I don't have a problem with this, my daughter is 26 I think I popped her on her butt twice we all grew up to be great kids as well as adults my mom has 1 son and he got his as well and he is the best man I know, so I guess it depends on the child/parent/ here I grew up with this and never had to beat my child like my mom did me, more so because she was a wonderful child never gave me any problems really so its really hard to say, I think if some kids had that discipline in their life they would not be so darn disrespectful now, kids cursing at their parents doing whatever they want coming in all times of the night, having no respect for other adults I don't know my friend this is hard, I say don't over do it but take a belt to them when needed.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi kitty42 I am okay just a bit of arthritis . its a hard line to make but perhaps it depends on the kids but I never had to spank my kids
at all,just a couple of whops on the rear when they were little but they were really good kids anyway.I was never beaten nor spanked and I grew up okay. was not in trouble in my teens. but my parents had
rules and we obeyed them because deep inside all kids do need limits and seek them if they are not put on the kids.now a lot of parents dont seem to take time to parent.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
I fell great right now.weather is a little cooler.I think
'most of us just parent the best we can and have to depend
on our own wits to know how to proceed with our kids
@kitty42 (3923)
• United States
7 Sep 09
Hello my friend
Sorry to hear about that my friend, my mom suffers from this as well so I know how hard it can be sometimes I get this pain in my knees not sure if it's arthritis but I use this cream called pro sport it does wonders my mom used it she said it helped her.
I agree with you some of the parents do not take the time that is needed, my mom was great very strict we were heard head I will be honest so she did what she felt was needed hey I have no complaints we all grew up great, as far as my daughter like you said she was a good kid as well I never had to beat her, popped her once or twice but that was it, so I am a prime example of hitting does not bring about more hitting, my grandson has his days but I don't think I ever hit him, my daughter pops him but not me, I talk to him he listens to me. I feel people take things to the extreme so in that case it is wrong, guess it depends on the parent/child.
Hope you feel better my friend.
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@stephcjh (38473)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I wqas never beaten as a child either but I got my fair share of whippings with odd objects for no reason alot of times. I think a swat on the rearend when a child needs to be scolded is alright at times but not too frequently also. Sometimes timeout and other discipline will not work as well but beating is out of the question or whippings for no reason.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
stephcjh hi I also was never beaten either and neverspanked.I was put in the corner a few times or sent to my room and I grew up to be an alright kind of person. my son never was beat or spankedor whipped. I used time outs and go to your room, and he is a fine outstanding man now.
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@sid556 (30959)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I grew up in a time when spankings were common discipline. I always swore that when I had kids that I'd never resort to that sort of discipline and the fear tactics. I had 4 kids. There were a couple of occasions that they were spanked when they were young. I remember because I felt so so bad....they don't recall them at all. I did spank my middle daughter when she was 16. It was the first spanking she'd ever gotten. She was very rebellious....mouthy and making really bad choices. One night she got up in my face and said something so disrespectful...can't write it here. I flipped that girl over and slapped her butt. She held her head as she cried "mom, what in the hll are you doing?" I told her that I was giving her the spanking she should have gotten years ago. Then I realized she was protecting her head....not her butt. We are all blonde here. I got giggling so so hard that I was completely uneffective. She remembers being angry because I laughed at her. I wasn't meaning to but it just struck me. Anyway...3 of my girls are grown and they are very respectable and nice people. My 15 year old is a doll & never once gotten a spanking or grounded or anything. I wish I could tell you what I did to deserve such wonderful kids....It'd be a best seller. I really don't know. I raised them alone & while I strived to be...I was far from a perfect parent...just ask them. All I can say is that you can raise good people without physical punishment...I'm testimony.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi sid556 that is what Ihave been trying to say.you dont need
to pound or beat or whip on your kids to get them to behave'for starters if you want kids to respect what you say you must'respect hem as little people,many parents do not give any respect at all to'therir kids so how are kids going to learn to respect their parents?
It works both ways. I respected my parents and knew if they said I should not do such and such, I must not do it. I was not beaten, whippedor even spanked but I was disciplined and I grew upto be a kind compassionate person.
@beaushell (339)
• Philippines
7 Sep 09
Hi hatley! I don't agree on beating kids on a cruel manner at all. Beating with a purpose however is different. I experienced being beaten as a child growing up for punishment for being naughty or disobedient. My mother would be quick to explain why, and though it is not pleasant the lessons I learned is all worth it. Those beatings never leave scars on me both physically and emotionally.
The problem with some parents today is they get out of control. They use beatings as an outlet to their many frustrations at the expense of even their own child. And they call it discipline. Some have acquired the practice from an old school parent that do it excessively.
Yet I don't agree with not beating a child at all too. I have seen friends do it and is very saddened with the result in the attitude of their children.
As a teacher, I have also observe the effect to the kids in relation to her acceptance of punishment outside the home. She tends to be rebellious and unteachable in some ways.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi beaushell well myfriend we do disagree but as i have always said I will respect your rights to have your opinion as you have respected mine.and thats what makes a discussion. I think once in a while if a child has been really bad a few swats on the butt will do but I
never had anyproblems with my son that a time out or st anding in the corner didnt cure. for one thing we had rules that they had to obey and we parented which so many parents now leave to other people to do.My son is not a horrible man because I didnt beat on him or whip him. he is a fine decent person. beatings in myeyes are power trips and there is no line to stop at. some go so far that they push their
own kids away from them. the kids learned onething.how to hate their own parents. so we disagree with respect.
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@UmiNoor (4522)
• Malaysia
7 Sep 09
Hi,
I used to be a naughty child according to my mother so I get beaten up all the time. What I learned from all the beatings is that my mother didn't love me and I even entertained the idea that she was my step-mother because my other sisters didn't get any beatings. It was always me. Even up till now I still cry for that child that was me.
Don't beat your children out of anger. In fact, don't beat your children at all. I grew up to be a very shy and introverted person and full of inhibitions. And always unsure of myself.
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@Purplelaurii77 (157)
• United States
7 Sep 09
Hello
I too was the "Bad" child and I was always punished in one way or another. My Mother was good for having me Kneel on the strip of metal by the carpeting of a broom handle. If I was deemed especially bad I had to hold encyclopedias in my arms. In my opinion she was abusive. I have a very strained relationship with her to this day and avoid all unneeded contact. I have no self confidence and my choices in men has always been questionable. I do lay all this at my mothers feet. I have heard from people that knew our family as I was growing up that this is NOT ALL IN MY HEAD. So I guess all I can say is please be very careful when you cross the line of abuse... It has life long effects.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi both of you beatings are just plain child abuse. all they do['is cause a lotof trouble for the child who was abused. my parents nevedr even spanked me and i grew up to be a decent law abidingperson.there is so many good ways to discipline a child you dont need to hurt them.
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@UmiNoor (4522)
• Malaysia
8 Sep 09
Now that I'm grown up and trained in child development, I understood where my mother was coming from. She was uneducated and the only way she knew how to bring us up was from her mother. And her mother, my grandmother, was abusive too. So it's like a vicious cycle. Education stopped it all. My other sisters were very submissive. I wasn't. I was a curious and independent and demanding child. She didn't know how to deal with me so she beat the hell out of me. I'm still trying to forgive her but she's after all my mother.
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@gabs8513 (48686)
• United Kingdom
3 Oct 09
There is no need for beating, I hate it and I have seen it over the Years Parents beating the child
I did more talking to my Children, they have had the occasional slap on the Legs or Arm but very rare
The same when Parents scream at their Children it is another thing I hate
Beating to me is abusing the Child and there is no need
@MsTickle (25180)
• Australia
12 Sep 09
I was beaten as a kid and I'm a good kind person too. But i did marry a man who also beat me. My spirit was basically broken. I'm quite fearful and find it near impossible to stand up for myself and be assertive. I was hard on my own kids but more controlled than my own parents, hitting them was the only way I knew how to discipline them as it was how I was treated and what was learned and fortunately they have turned out to be quite strong in their own way. Fortunately again they have not followed in my footsteps with their own children.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Sep 09
hi mstickle it all seems to boil down to how we were raised'and the
type of discipline used at that time. i am sorry about your husband'thats so horrible. I always told my husband that if a man'hit me hed soon be out of there or i would. but i came to realize in real life a lot of times a woman cannot leave for fear of him really killing her,or she is without any funds, its just not as clear and dried as just leaving. my parents respected me and so I respected them so I obeyed as I knew I would get some form of discipline if I didnt but I was never spanked,yelled at made to go to my room, and had priveleges taken away.I was really a pretty good kid, just very shy and withdrawn.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
its hard to know sometimes,just how to go about things,
specially if you were beaten as a child and that was the
only way you knew to handle things.
@twoey68 (13627)
• United States
1 Nov 09
The purpose of spanking a child is supposed to be to teach them that the behavior they are using is unacceptable. Beating them doesn't teach them that...it teaches them violence. There are ways of correcting kids without spanking them but most parents don't want to take the time to teach their kids right from wrong and they figure a smack is quicker and easier. My Mom and Dad never beat me but I did get a few spankings growing up. Mostly I learned that bad behavior upset them and made them disappointed in me, which in most cases was worse than any spanking.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
23 Nov 09
hi twoey68 my mom had the face,it was so sad and disappointed looking and I just wavered and was so sorry because I thought she was going to cry, come to find out when I grew up she sort of did that on purpose as she knew I hated to make her upset. we were really pretty close as my dad was the town doctor so did not see so much of him aS I did my mom who was a housewife.
@jillhill (37354)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I wasn't either and neither were my kids....but I know what you are talking about..my ex....was beaten as a child and continued the circle until I broke it....he kept saying that he was treated like that and he turned out okay....and I told him no he didn't....when we got a divorce we had to go for counciling....they told him the same thing! No need to beat a child! Ever!
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi jillhill sorry to hear about your ex but i have heard so many'other men say that too. once when I was a nurses aide and was sent to bathe this eight year old child beaten so severely by good ole dad that she was hospitlized with broken bones he came in and the police had to drag him out of the room. he yelled he only was trying to make sure she grew up as a good girl.he was put in prison for quite awhile.My son grew up just fun and he was never beaten.
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@littleowl (7157)
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6 Sep 09
Hi Hatley,
When I was a child I had enough of the beatings for being 'naughty' etc then when I had my own children I swore never to beat them instead they got a slap at the top of their leg and the tone of my voice let them know when they had been naughty..so my take on beatings is that it not necessary to discipline a child like that there are so many other ways and means of doing that without even touching the child....LoLo
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
6 Sep 09
hi littleowl you areinded a wise owl.lol.no but I understand'exActly what you mean.that is also the way I brought up my son and he is a fine man now. He got a few wacks on the bottom but not very often
Usually a time out or standing in a corner was enough. beatings are savagery to me.
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I think that doing such a thing, especially with your emotions not completely composed, and that of your child's not completely composed (though how would there's or could there's be what with them being beaten or even just spanked?) can cause damage to the relationship between the two, and that of the emotions of the child after they grow up and as they grow up.
I don't like spanking, I'm against it! It can really mess up a person's emotions, and even yelling can do that.
The best way to teach a child is to calmly but sternly instruct them in what they should do, and punish them by grounding them or taking away priviliges.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
hi somecowgirl yes we have to cool off and be logical
then our kids understand and eventually learn to obey.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
hi somecowgirl you put this very nicely and I do agree.
an angry parent who whips an angry child does nothing
but send the message that its okay to hurt a smaller person'so
that kid grows up and gets mad at his petite wife, and beats the holy hell'out of her, everyone is shocked but they should not be as the beater
was badly beaten by his parents to teach him right from wrong?
Havent we got things a little backwards?
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@SomeCowgirl (32191)
• United States
22 Sep 09
Yes we do have things backwards! Sadly it turns into a chain of physical disclipline that started off innocent enough at first. Innocent, but not right...
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@tamarafireheart (15384)
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7 Sep 09
Hi Hatley,
I do hate so called mothers beating their child up because they can't handle it, they don't know how to decipline them, its disgusting, children don't learn how to be good person by been beaten, I never was and I have turned out ok.
Tamara
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@jross19871 (239)
• United States
7 Sep 09
I think hitting a child is not right by any means. That goes for spanking too. Why on earth would you hit someone that is your child? You are messed up. You are a bad parent. I do not care that you were hit as a child. The cycle needs to break at some point. I do not care how good of a life your child has, if you hit them, you are a bad parent.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
7 Sep 09
jross19871 I was never beaten nor spanked as a child if you are referring to me.that is why I am saying beating is cruel and spanking is not much better.I am not messed up and I am a good parent. I was never hit as a child and i never hit anyone either neither my children nor my lovely husbvand. So I hope you are using a figurative you that is not meant at me. of course if you hit your kids you are a bad parent.
@KrauseHome (36447)
• United States
2 Oct 09
Personally in my opinion, this is Child Abuse, and will never teach anyone anything except to be afraid or to be bully and abuser themselves as they get older as well. From someone who grew up in an Abusive home I can remember what it is like to FEAR your parents no matter what you did, and it can often change your outlook on life. But thru counseling other guidance, etc. anyone can learn to get thru it as well. Just parents like this need to have their children removed and they need to be taught other ways to teach and train others as well.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
hi krausehome you are so right parents do need to be'taught that there are much better ways to teach and train their
children. child abuse is indeed child abuse and must not be
pushed onto little innocent kids.
@pudgles (414)
• United States
1 Oct 09
i was never beaten as a child and i am a firm believer in NO CHILD ABUSE. occasionaly when it is strictly nesscary i will "spank" my kid on th bottom when it is due, not to the point they are crying and i hurt them, just to let them no "hey i mean business" i think cild abuse it so wrong and some children suffer it and it just saddens me..
My husband was beat when he was a child and he aswell is against child abuse.
He was beaten i was not we are both good decent people..
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
hi pudgles I was never beatn and I dont believe in'
abusing children, a quick swaton the seat is one
thing but to hurt a child is just indefensible to
me. there is no justification whatsoever in that.
@CatsandDogs (13963)
• United States
12 Sep 09
I've got a story to tell but nonetheless, I still love my parents for they did the best they could in these times..... but I know they could've done better.....
My parents had a horse that they rescued from a man who beat him. They fenced in an area just for him. One Easter Sunday, I was about 2 years old and mom had dressed me all up in everything white, frills this and lace that. Then she went to dress my two older brothers and left me alone. Some how I got outside and got into the horse pen and played in the mud. Mom said she frantically searched for me and found me there in the horse pen. She said she picked me up and beat me so hard and so much that dad had to pull her off of me! She told me this as if it were ok! My mind is boggling over the story because although I didn't remember it and still don't, I remember being afraid to go into the horse pen but seeing it from the fence on and not going inside because I was afraid to and didn't know why. Well, I know why now!
Another time was I was jokingly telling my mom that she has never beat me with a belt like she has with my brothers and she said that she would if I needed it and I jokingly said No you won't and she said she would and would prove it to me right now if I'd like and I told her that she wouldn't. She got up and got the worst belt, the one with metal rings on it and beat me with it! I mean she beat me with that damned belt and for what reason?! To prove that she could and would. I'll never forget that.
Another time was, I was dating a guy that my parents didn't like and was about to be engaged to him and my dad told me that I wasn't going to wear a ring from this guy in his house and I said that I will too if and when I get it and he said oh no you're not and I said that I would because it would belong to me not him. I was sitting on the floor at the time and he rushed over, picked me up by my hair and threw me on the floor all the while I was kicking and hitting trying to get away from him and his hands turned into fists and he beat me in my face so bad that I had two black eyes. Another time he almost broke my arm....
No wonder I left home at the tender age of 16.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
12 Sep 09
catsanddogs glad you told your story as it just goes to
prove that the only thing a beating accomplishes is anger
'and sometimes hate. also many who are beaten turn to
that when angry at a child or a spouse, and feel its
okay to beat the crap out of a child or a wife,a person'
usually much smaller.
@kprofgames (3091)
• United States
27 Sep 09
I agree with spanking a child, but beating? I'm sorry no, no. I think there are many reasons people do it, from addictions to how they were raised or even control freaks. I think it is a sad that a person would have to physically hurt someone that is so small and defensless just to prove a point. That isn't proving anything other than they are just bad parents.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
I do agree that only bA d parents beat their kids as'they
cannot control their own emotions and act irrationally'
and that doesn't teach a child anything good.
@asweetie (1187)
• India
27 Sep 09
hi hatley,
Beating small kids is very inhumane and the kids should not be subjected to violence at all but as kids grow up and become too naughty then sometimes they have to be contorlled like ii have a nephew who was never beaten till he was 8 and then daily complaints would come from the neighbourhood how he is beating other kids or snatching things from them. And my cousin brother tried to reason with the kid a lot and he would say yes he wont do it and in evening again someone came complaining..this went for few days until my cousin lost his cool and he gave that kid nice thrashing... since that day he has stopped beating kids in neighbourhood so here beating helped cus he didnt listen to reasoning for days. So it basically depends upon kid to kid.
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@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
2 Oct 09
hi sweetie yes it does really depend on the kids, and'
I was so lucky with mylittle girl and my son,of course
'we didn't have her only eight years but she was good at
minding. my son was also a pretty good kid,lucky me.
@Laurie1986 (384)
• United States
1 Oct 09
I don't think it works; I think it makes the child more defiant, and of course it's cruel and it should be illegal. You're absolutely right that the child doesn't learn anything because violence does not teach. It cannot teach. It can only incite anger and beget more violence. I agree with your position entirely.
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