Cutting off tails and ears...
By PeacefulWmn9
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
United States
September 8, 2009 7:37am CST
Hello all. I know that in cows sometimes (I just read an article on it) and in some dog breeds, it is a common practice to "bob" or cut off part of the animals tail, if not almost all of it! And also, sometimes the ears of certain dog breeds are bobbed. I can see no possible reason for this and think the practice is cruel.
Do you know why this might be done??? What do you think of such a practice?
Karen
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23 responses
@Xzcess (174)
• India
8 Sep 09
I do not know much about why it is done for cows, but I have a friend who has such a dog. I asked her once why its tail had been 'bobbed' and she told me that the this type of dogs (Boxers) get fleas and other parasitic and other skin diseases easily on the under-skin of their tails. That is why to prevent them from facing severe discomfort for a longer period of time, and to prevent them from getting sick they cut their tail off. At that time it felt like a convincing enough answer, but I do not know why it should be done on cows or ears.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Xzcess. Oh, I didn't know that about boxers. I wonder if that is why it's done in some other breeds, too, or why some have their ears bobbed?
I appreciate you answering that :)
Have a good night.
Karen
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Elenyae, you are right...under those circumstances, that makes good sense and is ultimately a kindness.
Thank you!
Karen
@elenyae (388)
• Australia
9 Sep 09
I know that mulesing happens to sheep for that exact reason. All the dirt and bacteria get caught in the tail area and end up with sores and boils filled with pus and dirt. If it's done for this reason, I definitely think that it merits having tails docked. I mean, it's one bit of pain to prevent pain (possibly fatal) in the future from infection.
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@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
29 Sep 09
Hello my friend PeacefulWmn9 Ji,
AS I am not very much fond of taming pets since long due to past experience, I bring out following best reply on the subject though I think, it as a cruelity to animals. Please log on for more views.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070317050105AAAFWRy
[b]"Best Answer - Chosen by Asker
I absolutely agree with you on most of these things. The only exception is when it's for the comfort of the animal.
Tail docking is necessary on some dogs, mainly working dogs that will actually be working. Breeds such as heelers (which are herding dogs) are sometimes better off having their tails docked because their tails can get in the way of their jobs (getting stepped on by large animals, getting caught on things, etc). If they are just kept as pets I think they should be able to keep their tails.
Some breeds are prone to ear problems that are remedied by cropping, such as broken cartilage and infections. I know someone who has a boxer with his natural ears. Sometimes he will get broken cartilege just from shaking his head, and it results in painful swelling for the dog. This is a person who wanted the dog with it's natural ears because she, like you, saw no reason for docking. Now she sees how much pain the dog has because of his ears and realizes why they should have been docked.
I see no reason for declawing that is a benefit to the cat, and therefore all my cats have their claws with the exception of one that was already declawed when I adopted her. Cats have claws for a reason, and if a person can't take the time to teach the cat how to use a scratching post instead of the furniture or rug, then that person shouldn't have a cat. Cats CAN be easily trained where to scratch & where not to scratch with consistent use of a squirt bottle. If a person MUST have a declawed cat, it's much better to adopt one that already needs a home rather than declaw another one.
To sum up, NO I definitely don't think it's OK at all unless there is a true benefit to the animal.
3 years ago "[/b]
May God bless you and have a great time.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Sep 09
Hello my friend. Thank you for this information. I guess the ears of boxers and tails of working dogs part makes sense. I don't know. It sounds harsh, but many things that are good sometimes are harsh.
Thank you for contributing your knowledge and opinions.
Karen
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@maygodblessu44 (7336)
• India
30 Sep 09
Hello my friend PeacefulWmn9 Ji,
It is Universaly true that "ONE'S MEAT OTHER'S POISON" So what may sound me correct, may never be acceptable to other. If this would not have been there at all, we would have been all at peaceful living. So I think, with regards to cruelity, it is agreed, but then things have to be done. Like we have to change our living according to call of the time.
May God bless You and have a great time.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Sep 09
As always, my friend, you are a voice of wisdom and reason.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
8 Sep 09
Hi Karen!
I have not heard about this practice. However, it looks cruel to me if some people cut the ears of dogs/cows, it looks inhuman to me.
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@dpk262006 (58676)
• Delhi, India
9 Sep 09
Hi Karen!
May be for medical purpose, yet it also looks cruel to me.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Yes, I think the same. For some of the dogs, and as one person said for sheep, it serves a medical purpose or protection from infections. Still sounds cruel to me, though.
Hope your having a great week.
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
It still seems cruel to me, too, Deepak. I see animals as I see children, in some respects: at the mercy of the adult humans around them, some of whom seem to have so little mercy.
@ANTIQUELADY (36440)
• United States
8 Sep 09
i THINK IT'S CRUEL BUT KNOW THAT IT'S DONE ALOT OF TIMES JUST FOR SHOW IN THESE DOG SHOWS ETC. i FIGURE IF THE good lord HAD WANTED THEM LIKE THAT HE'S MADE THEM LIKE THAT.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Good morning, dear Jo. I DID have a good night :))) Now it's time to have a good day! I hope you do, as well.
Hugs,
Karen
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Jo...yes, I think if it is done merely for "show" it is a very odd and ill practice!
Yup, God pretty much gives us each part for a reason!
Have a good night.
Karen
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
29 Sep 09
I refuse to believe it serves any practical purpose. I hate thinking of all those poor dogs that have had their tails bobbed! The animal shelter here nicks cats on one ear to show they have been spayed as sometimes strays are re-released.
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@Canellita (12029)
• United States
30 Sep 09
Funny you should mention that particular comparison as I was thinking the same thing as I was typing. I would hate to have to make that decision about my male child.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Sep 09
I don't think it does either. Even if the tail area is prone to "infections," on a dog, why can't extra cleaning by the owner be done??? It all sound very barbaric to me, but then so does the idea of circumsion, which is so routine on new baby boys here in the US.
Regards,
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Kitty...well, I've learned that there is an actual medical reason for it done in boxers and sheep. But I don't know yet about the ear thing. So keep tuned lol.
Have a great night, my friend.
Karen
@rmuxagirl (7548)
• United States
30 Sep 09
I don't understand why some people could do that to animals. We have a cocker spaniel and generally they get their tails cropped or cut off, we didn't hve the heart to do it. People think our dog looks weird but i think he looks cute.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Sep 09
My sister has a cocker spaniel, too, with a tail left long. That is the way God originally made them.
Thank you for responding with your opinion, and have a nice night!
Karen
@Latrivia (2878)
• United States
2 Oct 09
In most cases it's an unnecessary aesthetic procedure. Of course, some dog breeds have their tails docked for a very specific reason. For example, ratting dogs often have their tails docked because if they were to be lowered into, or stuck in a hole, the owner would have to grab them by their tail and pull them out. On a dog with a long tail, the likelihood of breaking the tail was great, so it because necessary to keep the tail short.
If the dog is a working dog, I don't see a reason to not dock the tail if the owner feels it's necessary. I don't know of any reason to crop a dog's ears, though, other than to increase it's hearing.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
4 Oct 09
Hi Latrivia. I guess I've still got a bit of aversion to the whole process. It makes me wince to think about it! But...I have read some explanations from reliable sources who've responded to this discussion that in some cases, it truly is for the dog's ultimate well-being, and not just for "looks." One lady said that some dog breeds ears are docked because the blood vessels in them so easily break, even from the dog merely shaking its head, and that the condition was very painful.
Thank you for sharing your input.
Karen
@breepeace (3014)
• Canada
10 Sep 09
Actually, in many breeds of dogs, they have evolved in such a way that the tail MUST be docked for safety reasons. German Shorthaired Pointers, for example are very prone to tail damage.
http://www.trainpetdog.com/german-shorthaired-pointer_articles.html
Obviously in cases like this it is far more humane to dock a tail shortly after birth, than to put an adult dog through the trauma of anesthesia and adult docking/amputation.
As someone who has experienced an adult undocked Rottweiler breaking their tail, I will profess that it is NOT a pretty sight, and causes the dog a great amount of pain.
Breeds that don't typically have their tails docked boast a much stronger, more robust tail not prone to breaking.
As for ear cropping, in many breeds it's done for the same sorts of reasons. Boxers are quite prone to ear infections, and Great Danes often get broken cartilage just from shaking their (granted, massive) heads. Docked ears are less prone to painful ear infections (especially since MANY pet owners don't think to clean and dry ears thoroughly when grooming, or taking their dog swimming) and cropped ears almost NEVER suffer broken cartilage.
It's the same thing with dewclaw removal in many breeds. Siberian Huskies, for example, are a breed bred to pull a sled and consequently LOVE the snow, but pounding through the sometimes rough snow can often result in snags. Since many dogs are born with the excess dewclaws (think the weird toenail that grows on the inside of their legs, up from their feet), many breeders opt to have them removed shortly after birth to prevent any snags resulting in the dewclaws being ripped off and resulting in infections and severe pain.
There are 2 sides to every story.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
Hello Breepeace. Yes, I have learned a lotttt through this discussion, and there are two sides to every story. I understand now, the docking of tails and ears for safety and prevention of disease and infection.
But....I still think that when done for purely cosmetic reasons, it is a cruel and unnecessary thing.
Thank you for all the information :)
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
Hi Dawnald. Yes, when such things are cut and bobbed and such on an animal, to me, that is just plain mean!
I hope you have a good evening and thank you for voicing your opinion.
Karen
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@fifileigh (3615)
• United States
10 Sep 09
people who have nothing better to do. they think of something crap to do.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
I agree Fifi. Some people who are too idle come up with some weird or mean ideas. Ugh.
Thank you for responding, and have a nice day.
Karen
@caflemin (21)
• Canada
29 Sep 09
I think it is a disgusting and barbaric pratice. I have a miniature schnauzer and I didn't have him chopped up. Sometimes people ask me what kind of breed he is. I don't think that it makes them look better.
I don't understand why you would want to cut off a dog's tail. It is one of the most expressive parts of the dog. You can tell exactly how your dog is feeling just by looking at his tail.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
30 Sep 09
Hello Caflemin. I still feel it to be barbaric practice to me! But as you can see from the response above, it does have a valuable purpose for the animal at times, as far as temporary pain preventing a worse problem down the road.
Thank you for your response.
Karen
@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
10 Sep 09
They do it on cows so the tail is out out the way when the cow gets milked!A cow can't swing it's tail and hit the person milking it! Some times the tail end is only cut off. I think it is cruel! I think it is also cruel to dock and bob dogs ears and tails! I know some breeds ears are cropped or bob because it has become part of the breed standard! Some goes with tails! I don't know how this started but I'm pretty share in Great Britain it is illegal to do it to dogs anymore! Seeing a Doberman or a Great Dane without cropped looks more natual and normal! I wish this practice would be outlawed every were!
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@blue65packer (11826)
• United States
11 Sep 09
You are welcome! I do know of one animal who had to have his tail taken off due to an infection that wouldn't go away! Rocky! One cat I know off! He looks almost like a Manx cat!
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
Hello Blue Packer. I think unless it is to prevent disease (as some here have pointed out with boxer dogs and sheep) or for the animals own safety, then yes, it should be outlawed! Much of it IS done simple to make the breed look a certain way, or to follow a tradition that God only knows was begun for whatever odd reason.
Thank you for your input
Karen
@picjim (3002)
• India
8 Sep 09
They think the tail in its original form doesn't suit these dogs or if the cut the tail it adds to the dog's beauty.I endorse your view that this practice is cruel and dog lovers should report such thoughtless and cruel acts to the society for prevention of cruelty towards animals.
@webearn99 (1742)
• India
9 Sep 09
Are we not imposing our concept of beauty on these beasts and hurting them?
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Jim. Ack! What a terrible reason to surgically remove part of an animal. They seem to enjoy the way they look, as is, unlike some humans who constantly want to be bobbed and tucked by comestic surgeons and such.
To me, it is indeed cruel to the animals.
Thank you for responding.
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Webearn...yes, that is what it would be and I think it's an awful practice, one of long standing. Ugh!
@horsesrule (1957)
• United States
9 Sep 09
I think it's cruel and I don't like it either. I do know that in cows, they will notch the ears as an identifier as to the animals owner. That's the branding aspect too. It just seems so cruel though. I guess people think that they're animals so it is okay to do whatever they want to them, even if it causes them a lot of pain. You know they wouldn't allow it if it was done to people.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Horses...I do think some people misuse animals routinely and for no good reason that is apparent to me. As for people, I do know that slaves have been treated with cruelty and women and even children, and some of that goes on even today!
There is also controversy about routinely having baby boys circumsized.
So many things...I don't understand.
Take care and thank you for responding.
Karen
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
9 Sep 09
hi peacefulwmn9 I think that if the good Lord had wanted the
animals to have bobbed tails or ears he would justhave made
them that way. no its cruelty and its like our ideas of how'skinny women should look, we go way overboard. all women cannot be
size tens. all cows should keep their tails and ears and also
dogs. this is all imposed on them by men.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hello my friend. It does seem cruel, doesn't it? Too much cruelty in such a beautiful world, sometimes. I was watching a show last night with a friend on models and what drives them to be so skinny.
We were discussing how much the media and peer pressure drives so many women to try to look a certain ideal way...one that is usually totally unrealistic! We also noted how many people in the movie or model business, and even those amongst the general population who can afford, so often seek out surgery to alter their looks or stave off the natural processes of aging.
Very sad stuff!
Thank you for your voice here.
Karen
@neededhope (1085)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Actually I had a friend with a dog.. Can't remember the breed but they had it's tail but. Oh it was a boxer. But they didn't get it's ears pinched. And yes I do find this cruel. I mean how would you like something cut off. Or something pinched so it stay up straight. I mean how can this feel good for the animal. Let them be as God intended them to be. That's my feelings on it!
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
Hello Hope. I've learned through this discussion that some tails are bobbed to prevent certain infections, as sheep and a few dog breeds are prone to them.
I still think it is cruel to do the tails and ears simply for looks or out of tradition. Yes, leave those as God made them!!
Thank you for responding, and have a nice night!
Karen
@hotsummer (13837)
• Philippines
9 Sep 09
i don't do this kind of thing. i feel sorry for pets when owners do that to their pets. i just can't understand why do they have to do that. as i know or feel that pets will feel pain when they have been subject to this kind of practice. i don't want to put my pet in such a pain for any reason. i don't see any good reason at all. except it will shorten a bit their tails or ears. but besides that there is no good thing about it.
i think if they have long tails and big ears then let them be. it is not a big problem seeing them the way they are . some pets tend to have longer tails or bigger ears that normal. and that is part of life. there are some abnormally bigger than others.
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@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi Hotsummer. I couldn't do this to a pet of mine either. If it is for looks alone??? That is just barbaric. Animals are living beings, and yes, they feel pain, too! Yes, they are individual.
Thank you for your input :)
Karen
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
10 Sep 09
Hi Agv. I suppose it makes sense to prevent infection, as a few here pointed out, but they "numb" the area first.
As for ears??? I read several articles, and that is just for how they "look" in a dog show, or to make a doberman used as a guard dog to look more fierce. I just can't see any justification in that!
Thank you for responding.
Karen
@moneymakingtoday (4061)
• Philippines
9 Sep 09
hogs which are raised for commercial purposes have different shapes of ears. do u know why? in our place, the raisers do it as a sign of identification. i don't really know what it means but the raisers alone know what they mean.
bobbing tails of dogs happen here too.
what we do is to castrate the dog so that it would be incapable of reproducing. we have female dogs in the house too and the male dogs fight for the female dogs during mating season. this really posed us a big problem in the past.
@PeacefulWmn9 (10420)
• United States
9 Sep 09
Hi there :) Since there are different breeds of hogs, that could explain the different ear shapes, if they've not been cut for some purpose of identification.
It is encouraged where I live also to have pets neutered or spayed to prevent too many, for they often go uncared for when their owners no longer want them. But it is done by a veterenarian, and the animal is given anesthetic.
I appreciate you sharing your insight and hope you have a fine day.
Karen