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Right on Zeph. I agree 100%! But I have this feeling your gonna get an avalanche from the right thinkers! Good Luck! People have this habit of twisting things to suit their agenda! Keep that in mind! tdemex

I suppose you can expect a lot of responses but it's going to be hard to make any reasonable one, since the two things are not in any way related - except in that the health care bill will pay for abortions. Contrary to what anyone may think, or may use as an accusation against those oppose to the health care reform as it is now being contemplated in Congress, people who think that the bills proposed thus far are fatally flawed and very bad legislation, are not opposed to them because they favor denying people health care. Seriously, it's a great brush with which to paint all people who, in good conscience, have read through HR3200 and followed the propositions and changes and negotiations with due diligence and having done so, believe that this is a bad piece of legislation and it is not what they envisioned. It's just wrong and very unfair. Add to that the number of Democrats who are willing to dump the public option JUST to pass this bill, any bill, no matter how bad. What is that? Ego? They could spend trillions taking over EVERYONE's health insurance or they could spend a tiny fraction of that amount just paying for health insurance for those who need it. But that won't do, because they don't really care about the uninsured. They really don't care about the uninsured. It was important so I repeated it. You care about people who need health insurance, but they don't. They care about taking over the insurance industry. Their agenda is not as philanthropic as yours. I suppose that if I didn't care that people needed health care or that I didn't care if sick children were treated, then I wouldn't care if someone decided to have a late term abortion and hired a doctor to kill her baby. But I do care, because life is sacred in my opinion. I also care about my country and the direction in which it is heading. It is, after all, the country my children are growing up in and the society they will have to live in when they are grown. I want to secure for them a future and a nation that offers them the same liberties and opportunities as the one I grew up in. I don't mind if people want to call me names or make unfounded generalizations. I don't have health insurance myself, but I won't support a bill that threatens our future because in the short term, I might get something out of it. Unfortunately, politicians on the whole are not so principled and they will sell you a bag of goods, they will do or say anything to get elected. There are some who will sell your liberty for their personal gain. Some of them are the people in charge of health care reform.

Great discussion, Zeph! I've gotten dizzy from the "spin" that's been put on this but I sure get your point. I know some conservatives and others who are anti-choice are sincere in their concern for unborn babies and also care about them after they're BORN babies but some are in fact "pro-fetus" and once that fetus enters this world as a baby his or her health and that of his or her mother suddenly isn't important at all. It would also be so much simpler if every abortion were sought by someone who had been an irresponsible s1ut who was too lazy to use birth control but it's NOT that simple! Affordable and accessible birth control and education is also part of our health care problem. Annie

Hey Zephyr! I totally agree with this statement! I don't understand why people think they can choose what they want to support! They don't care if we have proper health insurance as long as it doesn't come out of their pockets! But, yet they feel that it is their right to decide if a woman should have an abortion when it is none of their damn business since it is not their body nor will it be up to them to support the child! I don't understand how these hypocrites have the nerve to even open up their stupid phucking mouths!

I totally agree. Well, maybe not TOTALLY. You see. What we are hearing is a lot of PO'ed, anti-democrartic and (dare I say) prejudicial retoric in health care as was the case during Roe vs Wade. Politicians plan their game of whose got the biggest weiner and the tax payer is the one left cleaning up the mess. Am I my bother's keeper, yes I am. Health care in this country needs a major over haul and the same people whop are saying we should do something else are the same people who has done nothing for the past eight years. Futhermore, the major talkers are some of the ones who got us into this mess in the first place. All Americans should be afforded healthcare. The rich can afforded, the poor get it free and the only one left out is the one paying for it-the working class. Abortion? It's her body, it her decision, if you don't like it, tough. One question though, doesn't 7 months seem a little long to wait for an abortion. Feels a little like partial birth. That's would be a little barbaric, but I understand your point-it's your right.

dam u r so right about this ...i believe women should have their own right of abortion.....

That is a very good question. I think that it should be the other way around. Abortions should be no one's business when it comes to interfering in a woman's right to chose, and health insurance, health care, should be everyone's business, when it comes to making sure that everyone has access.

Answer this question, if the government has no business with a woman's body, why is The Central Committee pushing a 1,000+ page referendum making everyone's whole body their business. Apparently the womb is the ONLY part of the body the government isn't supposed to control. ~~~~ Abortion is nothing more than what Susan Smith did.

The two are not even remotely similar Zephyr. What you're saying is, if I oppose the Waxman Markey bill, or whatever crap they slap together in congress, then I have no right to object to you killing an innocent, defenseless human being. That's a load of bull. It's not about a woman ending pregnancy, it's about a woman killing a living human being. I don't give a rat's a$$ if it's in her stomach, it's still a life and an innocent life at that. I don't believe for one second that this bill will make our health care situation the slightest bit better. I think it will make things far worse. Insurance companies aren't the problem, they're a symptom of the problem. The problem is the cost of healthcare, and since insurance companies foot that bill, the rising cost of care leads to a rising cost of insurance. Making a government health insurance, and forcing hard working taxpayers like me to fund it, would only serve to make the problem worse. The government will have to either print money, or raise taxes to fund the $1,000,000,000,000.00 to start this load of crap. We just don't have the money and you can't tax the rich enough to run it. Look at the number of zeros in a trillion Zephyr. That's one million millionaires that you'd have to rob of ALL their money just to get this crap started. As with everything else the government runs it will be a money sink that pushes us deeper into debt and will simply perpetuate the rising cost of actual care. Preventing someone from ending a human life is not about health care. If I don't support this bill, does that mean I can't tell murderers not to kill anyone? Can I not speak out against parents who kill their children? I know you want the right to kill a child and those on the left hold that right very dear, but I ALWAYS have the right to oppose murder. Just as it's your responsibility to get health insurance if you want it, it's your responsibility to not get pregnant if you don't want to be pregnant. After all, you only have to avoid one simple activity to avoid getting pregnant.

Have you researched nationalized health insurance. This is everyones business as it will effect everyone in the USA, wheather you have private insurance, medicare or medicaid. You really sould look into this. I strongly believe there should be insurance for every child , but at what point does the government stop taking care of the average person. One has to take responsibility for him/herself at a certain point on their life. Secondly what gives any woman (and I am a woman) the right to murder a child. At what point do you take responsibility for your life and your "mistakes"? There are so many options, and so many wonderful families that want to adopt babies that can give them a good home. Pregnancy is 100% preventable just as aids is 100% preventable. If you do not want a child then don't do what causes pregnancy in the first place. You knew that even with birth control there was a chance that you would get pregnant so what were you thinking... It is the whole question of when life begins. When is the fetus actually a baby? Would you murder a newborn child? Every child should have a chance. That does not mean you have to keep and raise a child you do not want, but it does not give you the right to kill it. I realize there are times when it is medically necessary due to major medical problems with the mother of the child, but good grief I do not understand how any woman could destroy a life that they themselves created. God bless the children that are not wanted in this world and give them homes. Help the people that do not want to be parents find a good way to deal with what they consider a problem Lord. It is simply to easy to become a parent. I think if you get an abortion that you should have your parts removed so you never have to go through that again, then all you have to worry about are stds.

Despite I'm not "fellow American", yet the issue you touch is .. international. First of all, as you may probably know allready, people are subjective. The more they claim are pure objective and proclame have no personal interest, the more they are subjective and intersted into promoting their own point of view. Second, there are peoples like Fred Phelps who turn OTHERS against people who he belive they wrong .. See this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KruHbQa4SZo&NR=1 And third, as a conclusion some or many wouldn't like, but is the true truth, all comes by from religious extremists which understand God thru HATE, similar with middle age inquisition. For those kind of people the right of choice and the freedom of speech means no more and no less than THEIR right to enforce to others their lame opinion and points of view.