Abortion debate inherently sexist...

I completely agree with you. Firstly I am a woman, but I agree that men should have a say in what happens to there baby. It isn't fair that a woman can just go and get an abortion while the man is just left there with no choice. And he has no support. I know I have seen some court cases where the fathers have had the knowledge that their spouse was going to abort there child, and the court had ruled that if the father wanted the child then the mother had to carry the child full term. It is a rarity but it has happened on occasion. So true that the man gets no choice in whether she keeps the baby, but they are expected to take care of a baby no matter what. I think the road should go both ways here. Both people should have to decide on an abortion. Myself I don't believe in abortion, but for those who do and have one they should consider their partners feelings, because it takes two to tango.

Having been on the recieving end of this, I can say this much.....thank you ted. Men are people too.

Well said. I'm sick of the women who act as though men have no business even SPEAKING about the abortion issue just because the child resides in the mother's body. If the father wants the child, nobody cares, just kill it anyway. If the father doesn't want the child and the mother gives birth, he's still required to pay every penny in child support (rightfully so). There's on person on mylot that always puts up pro-abortion photos about how men have no business talking about abortion. Thank you for pointing out the blatant sexism from the pro-abortion crowd.

There's been something missing in the Feminist Movement -- it's called FEMININE. A woman appeals to a man sexually because Mother Nature wants a communion. The communion often results in the union of egg and sperm. There is absolute nothing feminine about discarding the fetus. It's ugly.

Pro life people always talk about not killing human beings. Well, then why do pro life people kill abortion doctors. Isn't the doctor a human being? They have a stupid mentality of killing an abortion doctor to demonstrate saving a human life. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense. A man will never go through all the physical pains of a pregnancy, therefore it is the womens choice if she wants to have an abortion or not. I am not a feminist by the way, and I do have a child.

Abortion...such a touchy subject. Everyone has their opinions. It is good to have an opinion. My opinion on the abortion subject is this. Killing is killing. You are simply killing a human being no matter how small the fetus is. It is considered a living thing when the egg and sperm unite. I feel as if the man has all the right to his opinion and if he wants to keep the baby and the mother doesn't, they have to seriously talk about it. Why not put the baby up for adoption? There are so many families that are unable to have children. I know we have a lot of children without homes too. But, I am against abortion and everything about abortion. You should never kill a human being. It's wrong and against God's will. Again, this is only my opinion, everyone has one.

Blame biology, not feminism. As long as the child must grow within the mother's body, she takes all the risks and so she must have the larger say. As far as I am concerned, men can have an equal say in the fate of the pregnancy when men start dying in childbirth.

In pregnancy a woman's decision counts and there is nothing her boyfriend can do to stop her having an abortion if she wants one. If she does have their baby he is liable for child maintenance. A lady can register the birth and not involve the baby's father. If a pregnant lady has a miscarriage both her and her man will be given much support. I feel really sorry for a man that finds his girlfriend aborts their baby. I am pro-life and wouldn't ever have an abortion. In 2007 at 36 weeks pregnancy we found out that our baby would have spina bifida and hydrocephalus. The consultant asked me if I wanted to have an abortion that morning. I said no way and that was solely my choice. My baby's father didn't have any say. In the afternoon we looked around the special care baby unit and saw premature babies. Men can be loving fathers. It is so sad that babies are aborted. It is also awful that fathers to be don't have any say if their girlfriend chooses to have an abortion. I am pro-life.

I do understand what you are saying Ted and I agree totally. However the law is in effect and we can gripe about it, try to change it or live around it. And there is something to be said for personal responsibility. Unfair or not the law exists and while a person can never be 100% certain what another will do, men do have the option of NOT sleeping with a woman who would consider an abortion. There are women out there who would never consider it except for some of the extreme cases and if a man truly is against abortion that might want to be a discussion to have before hopping in the sack and making the situation a possibility. Again I agree that the law is sexist but there are things you can do to prevent the pain and anguish of being a man knowing your child was murdered. I am not sure how you could change it and make it more fair? Perhaps give fathers the right to a financial abortion? In other words he could request the abortion and if she refused he would have no further financial obligation? Maybe that would even the playing field a bit and make women have to be more careful who they jump in the sack with. Just a thought.

The problem with this debate of abortion is that its essentially a woman's problem and nobody wants to hear that the baby has equal rights to life as everyone else. It swings squarely back on the female because if she has the baby she is the one who will end up caring for it. Why can't all these selfish people get it right ? A baby is your equal and is a gift from God. That is where it all is - right there !

IF men could get pregnant (not just women) abortion would not only NOT be an issue, it would be legal and insurance would pay for it! THAT is the difference between female and male. Sorry, but true. Pro Choice is not bigoted. Pro Choice is just that. The choice is a moral choice, just as all religions and types of religions are. Not meant to be forced on anyone, and neither to be banished or discriminated against because you believe it is the woman's right to choose. All you have said could be changed to exactly the opposite opinions, leaving the word cold, heartless, sexist and bigoted in... Pro Choicers also do not KILL those who perform abortions like Pro Lifers do... I guess that fact would make the pro-choices more christian, would it not?

[b]Y'know...when cattle are pregnant, their embryos are protected by law, because they're property. If someone damages them, they're liable legally to make amends financially--& not just for an embryo, but for the "potential" moneymaking cow or steer! I think men should sue for damages for destroying his property, even if he only gets a return on the embryo as an embryo, & not a full-grown heir. After all, it's half his material he's invested. The courts could rule, logically, that she ought only be allowed to destroy the material she provided, & that only so long as she doesn't harm the property invested by the male. If we're not allowed to call it a human being, at the very least, in a firm legal sense, it is property, right, Solomon? I'm just sayin'.... (Things that make ya go "Hmmmmm...." ) Maggiepie "WHERE'S THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE?"[/b]

For me I oppose that kind criminality. Abortion is to kill an innocent child that doesn't know what is the real reason why he/she be there inside the womb of his/her mother? Abortion is against the rule of law or the constitution. This is also against the eyes of God. Because this is an acts of criminality. Do you think those child have done anything wrong with those parents or woman carrying a baby in their womb? Isn't their sin, being a child? Isn't that those woman being reproached for what happen into their lives? We all have the right but that right is limited to do good not evil. I think there is no debate regarding issue because the real issue here is life. A life that should be protected by law...and no one will have the right to kill anyone. Most particularly those innocent child. Have a nice day!

i'll start off by saying i'm not 'pro-abortion' - it's horrible for everybody involved and it should be prevented as far as is possible. however the option has to be there. now i can understand there might be circumstances when a father wants a baby that the woman aborted and he'll be upset but it really does come down to the fact that it is not his body.

I think if a man were to only have SX with a women because he loves her and she loves him. This would not be an issue. When a man and a women love each other, they will keep the baby. When it is only a one night stand, why should the women consider the man? They don't know each other. I taught my children from a very young age : "When you are old enough to have SX, you are old enough to have children!" I have a son and a daughter, both are adults and have relationships. Here it is not an issue. When they have a pregnancy, it will be accepted. I think when I women does not want a mans baby, there is no real love in the question. Unless of course she has a good reason? But, then again, what is a good reason? Maybe health wise, yes. So, I still find it weird that women get pregnant unwillingly now a days. There are so many ways not to get pregnant. I don't understand these women. Especially older women , who should know better. When a man and a women are only in it for the fun and not for a relationship, then I think the women has a right to do what she wants. It is her body and she has to carry the baby 9 months. The man normally disappears after a couple of months anyway.(Not all, but most of them.) This is the way I think about it. On the other hand, when you are in a relationship and plaining a future together, then the partners should take the decision together. In this case I believe the man has a right to his opinion. In this case I would agree with you.

I suppose it is inherently sexist, but then so is biology. In a society where abortion is legal, there is no way to make this fair once the child is conceived, if both parents aren't on the same page.

Ah, but men also have the power to father a child and walk away and never be seen or heard from again. A woman can't just give birth and walk away. Even with the so called "safe haven" laws, a woman is most times hunted down and prosecuted for "abandoning" her baby even though she went through the safe and "legal" channels to do so. There was a story not too long ago where a distraught woman gave birth to a baby and immediately took it to a fire house not too far from where I work. The fire department took the baby to a hospital where the news crews hunted this woman down and the police charged her for abandoning her baby, even though she dropped him off at a safe house and according to the law, she had the right to do so, no questions asked. Yet she was still charged with child abandomnment and endangerment? I've yet to hear a of a man fathering a child and moving halfway across the country and being charged with abandonment or of a man getting paid under the table in cash only so that his baby mama can't get child support because as far as the government knows, this man isn't working bc he's not paying taxes.

Great post, I agree.