Nuclear Weapons Free World?

United States
September 24, 2009 11:01am CST
President Obama put forth a resolution at the UN Security Council for a "Nuclear Weapons Free World". It was unanimously approved. This is suppost to committ all nations to work for a nuclear weapons-free world. Nice though in theory. But do you honestly think ALL the nation that have it or are trying to get them will give them up? A lot of those countries have a history of promising one thing and then turning around going against what they said with their actions. What are you thoughts on this as a practical theory? What happens if most of the country gets rid of their nukes but a few small dicator countries have them? What about Obama's comment that " International law is not an empty promise, and treaties must be enforced." Is that giving the UN more power than it should have?
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Sep 09
It's a joke, or pipe dream as you put it. Sure, the US, Russia, and a few others could scrap their nuclear weapons. We're still a military to be reckoned with regardless of our nuclear arsenal and we could always rebuild it if necessary. What about Israel? Their nukes are the only reason they haven't been reduced to a crater. For all the talk from countries like Saudi Arabia and Iran, the only reason they have yet to attack Israel is because they know they'll use those nukes if they're backed into a corner.
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@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I neither said, nor did I even imply that would be right. My point is that the presence of nuclear weapons and the possibility that they would use them is enough to keep aggressive nations like Iran at bay.
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@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
Then you would allow Iran to develop nuclear capacity because it would keep the US at bay?
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@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
So you think it would be right to use them if a country use conventional weapons? Wow, another debate question.
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@spalladino (17891)
• United States
24 Sep 09
It's not going to come close to happening, in my opinion. There are too many unstable governments out there...too many leaders who promise one thing and do another...too much hatred and too much distrust. I also agree with what another responder has already posted...the only reason Israel still exists is because her nuclear capabilities have kept her enemies at bay.
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@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
Hi, Israel has a bank called the USA, it has earned nothing, and it has really destabilised the region. So if the USA was to pull out the bank, Israel would collapse? Out of desparation would Israel use its nukes? Moreover, if the state of Israel has was created from 'Jewish Terrorism', and in 60 years, Arabs still are against Israel, then why would Israel exist beyond the pale in the region? And remember, it is not the people of Israel who are the problem, it is the governments who have created mayhem and nothing towards peace. And remember, Israel, has its interests in the West to grow, it will later, outgrow the need for the West and the West will realise how wrong they were to arm this country with nuclear weapons.
@Taskr36 (13963)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I don't think Spall or myself intended this to become a debate over Israel. Israel's big issue is terrorism and their war with the Palestinians. Nukes are not a factor in that because the fallout from that would hurt Israel just as much, if not more, than the terrorists they are dealing with. You can't use nukes on a neighbor and certainly not on your own land. It's a different story when the nation is as far as Iran. The USA's involvement has helped Israel, but even if we pulled out all support today the Palestinians would still be outmatched. For all the claims of support from other Middle Eastern nations, they get squat. The number one contributor to the Palestinians is the US, the EU is number two, and Kuwait, a country the smaller than some neighborhoods here, is number three.
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@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
The intention was not to bring Israel in from me either, but non proliferation includes Israel. WMD are used as a terror tactic from Israel. Illegal phosphrous and cluster munitions. Terrorism on all counts.. You drag in Israel simply by quoting others as terrorists, but you forget the numbers - for all its precision, for every Jew there are about 50 Palestinians killed. Just because you drive a tank does not make you less of a terrorist than those who throw stones. As for supporting Palestinians - the US has only recently funding properly the Palestinian Authority, and why because the Palestinian Authority is dependant on the two state solution road map. It cannot do much else. Hence why Hamas was elected legitimately, and why both Israel and US have sought to isolate it. The PA is now illegally in power in the West Bank, in return for American dollars, it is sitting at the behest of Israeli foreign policy with settlements continuing. Hamas on the other hand is illegitimately isolated, and Palestinians are being divided in order to weaken their power as they take a state. Remember, Iran is no terrorist - it just has a different view on fairness and western foreign policy. Yet it does not sanction anything that kills innocent people.
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
24 Sep 09
I think a lot of time and resources were wasted on a meaningless act.
• United States
24 Sep 09
Yep your are completely right.
@anniepa (27955)
• United States
24 Sep 09
I always hesitate even putting my two cents in this kind of discussion because this is a topic about which I'm glad I don't have to make any decisions! My "heart" tells me a world free of nuclear weapons would be wonderful but I have a feeling it's just a pipe dream. I don't know, maybe just giving the idea lip service will be a good thing in a small way and maybe in time there can be more trust between nations. I fully understand the danger of nuclear weapons falling into the hands of terrorists or "rogue" nations but I also have a problem with "us" saying we have them and our allies have them but YOU don't have the right to have the same protection and deterrence for your nation. Annie
@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Sep 09
It's simple Annie. It's the same as saying that I should be able to drive on public streets, and you should be able to drive on public streets, but people who have proven they aren't stable enough to handle a car shoudn't. Remember, when the US and other countries decide that some 3rd country shouldn't have something, we really can't stop them from getting it. All we can do is use the international community to try to persuade them not to, or attach some sort of consequence if the 3rd country persists. We don't want Iran to have nukes because of what their leader said he would do with them once he gets them. That's no different than telling a person in the US they can't drive because they are an overt threat behind the wheel.
• United States
24 Sep 09
You are always welcome to put your two cents in. I agree with you. A nuclear free world would be great. But I do not see it happening. Too many countries want to have an edge over all the rest. Countries want to be "the" super power. Countries are afraid that without it they will be more in danger. I don't know the right answer either. But I don't see it happening. I don't trust most of world to actually do it. Sure htey may SAY they are doing it....but I think they would be lying. And you are right that is not fair or right that we think we have a right to say who can and can't have it. Sure it is fine for us to have it....But we dont' want you to have it too. Not reasonable either. This is going to be a hard one. I give Obama props for trying....but I don't see it happening. At least not with how much trouble their is in the world. Isreal for one will probly fight tooth and nail to keep them.
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
25 Sep 09
And, then, what about those who don't. This idea of a nuclear free world has been put forward for decades by the west and was only stopped by the Eastern Bloc during the cold war. As a result people in all kinds of opposing countries have them. Its basically the result of the Cold War that gave these opposing countries the opportunity to get nuclear weapons. This is an old sentiment and cannot happen now, not with North Korea and Iran playing the fool as they do.
@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
Hi Lets look at the numbers 1. Russia 4500 + 2. USA 3000+ 3. France 300+ 4. UK 80+ 5. China 80+ 5. Israel 60+? 6. Pakistan/India ??? 7. N Korea ?? 8. Iran 0 - ?? A couple of key points, the first 5 are all PERMANENT members of the security council, and Israel with only a 7,000,000 population. So, I find it strange that all five permanent members, who all have veto powers at the UN, and victors of World War II,acquire a nuclear arsenal and then get an international treaty for non-proliferation, yet allowing Israel, a tiny country to possess nukes. Where is the fairness, and unhyprocritical stance here? The Non-profileration Treaty, also required states with nuclear weapons to dismantle them whilst not allowing other countries to have them. Are these countries doing enough to reduce their weapons. In the UK, until last night, they were talking of renewing Trident. But last night, they are still renewing Trident, but a 'gesture' reduction of 1 boat. Israel is still defying any attempts even to question it nuclear capability - the last US president who questioned and attempted to kerb Israel's nuclear program was John F Kennedy in September 1963. By November 1963, he was gunned down in Texas! The permanent five cannot have their cake and eat it, they must show the world that we are disarming and hold their negotians at a much faster pace and priority to encourage other nations not to pursue their own ambitions. Also they need to make sure nations do not feel threatened by the big nations. For example, North Korea was cooperating fully during the Clinton admistration, and as Madeline Albright went to North Korea, relations were warm. Pyonyang himself, has said, that the Clinton administration allowed us to feel at ease with the US, but Bush's agressive stance has forced the restart of our nuclear program. Also, they say, that if Saddam had a nuclear weapon, he would never would have been invaded. As for Iran, they have never been a friend of the West, yet they allow talking and other things to verify its nuclear ampbitions. Iran also wishes nuclear fuel not weapons, which the US flatly reject. Both North Korea and Iran have been talking to brick walls for the last few years, and we shall see if Obama is any different. As for the UN, well, as I said, five permanent members and their greatest ally, Israel all posess Nukes. This is in itself is a great obstacle to world peace and the abiltiy of the UN to be a credible champion. A more credible way forward would be to increase the powers of the General Assembly which is representative of more than 190 countries. Voting in these areas would equate the rich with the poor and allow a more even hand in world politics. This would allow the nuke free world to be realised alot sooner. And remember, nukes are not cheap, yet they are effective deterrent only for a period of time. Inevitably, once human nature goes beyond fear - nukes will be used. So, as Iran says, we do not desire nuclear weapons, for they serve no purpose. Clear solution, disarm proportionally eg 25% a year, on a sliding scale to 0 nukes. For those countries holding 1000 or more, there reduction should be double than that of others. Once this is seen to be done, other countries would find it hard to justify any breach of the non profileration treaty. Otherwise the treaty is hyprocritical. And if some rogue states decided to defy and attempt nuclear weapons, then there would be much more unity and condemnation of those states that practically that state would find it difficult to survive. Cheers
• United States
24 Sep 09
As Mike said it is a pipe dream. The different memebers don't trust either other enough to do it. What if a couple of them get rid of theirs but the rest keep theirs? Well the ones who got rid of their just lost of their leverage in the world power struggle. Or what if all of htem but one get rid of them...that one will be the new and only super power. Do you honestly think ANY of them are going to get rid of ALL their nukes? Nope. They will play hid the nukes while they talk about getting rid of them.
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@Makro74 (591)
24 Sep 09
I totally agree, what I said also is a pipe dream, and not realistic since the tempermant of those in power, their enitities, need to see it similar to the way I have outlined above. But realisticly, you are 100% correct
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@Tony8584 (46)
• China
25 Sep 09
I believe it's just a action for forbidden other countries to research their own nukes. Nowadays, only if your country is powerful in martial, then you can be respected anywhere. Actually, every country will never stop underground researching .
@hotsummer (13837)
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
i just hope that they can really stop those countries that are trying to hide their nuclear weapons or trying to develop one to surrender them. but i have no idea if this will help to accomplish any thing. it seems hard for them to stop any country if they will want to without resorting to any war. and i don't want any war to happen not on this life time specially.
• United Kingdom
25 Sep 09
This definitely sounds like an attractive idea although I don't know whether it's entirely feasible! It would be wonderful if the whole world could live in peace and not need nuclear weapons or any kind of weapons at all. However, I think that it would be a dangerous idea to give up nuclear weapons completely. Yes, by all means get rid of a lot of nuclear weapons but not all of them. I live in London for example and I ask the question, what would happen if we were attacked? What would happen if we were to suddenly suffer an invasion? We would not have the ability to defend ourselves. I think that we have to maintain cetain things in relation to military strength. I just think that the UN is there to act as peacemaker! I don't think they should get involved entirely but some of the ideas and options that they come up with should be taken into consideration. I don't think that there will ever be a time when the whole world suddenly becomes nuclear free, I'm thinking that these weapons will always be in existance although they may be significantly reduced. Andrew
• India
25 Sep 09
The theory of nuke free world is very nice. I say it is the theory which is most important should come in to existance much in past. But it is not going to work in reality. Because all the countries are not trusting on others. So, this is good theory & useful to the world.It is very hard to make it reality.
@hexeduser22 (7418)
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
Nice resolution and nice dream. It would be very helpful and beneficial for the people all over the world. The question is who's gonna follow it? I highly doubt that countries in power today would dismantle their prized nukes. Maybe they can just meet in an isolated island bringing their nukes and at the same time launch the damn things in outer space. Then all people should start hugging and loving for peace, oh I must be daydreaming lol:)
@shadow41 (2351)
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
It's impossible. I doubt US would do it too. They'll surrender some and hide some. It's hard to surrender power. It's hard to give up security. And most of all, it's hard to trust.
@riyasbass (118)
• India
25 Sep 09
I don't think the first person Obama will agree to it ... As a strong nation and facing serious treat from several countries it is necessary for America to make the world know that they have nuclear power for self protection ,,So naturally at any cost USA has to retain its nuclear power So they won't agree with it unless several others who now disagree agreesssssssss ...
• United States
25 Sep 09
Unfortunately this is more then likely going to be like any other idea from people in power. All say "yes lets do it!" but at the same time they all wonder in the back of there minds if the others will do it or if they should keep that one "just in case" History has proven on numerous occasions that regardless of what we plan to do thers alot of problems with working on a trust system. Which imho is all the UN can really consider its system. Now what about the countries that mainly keep themselves closed off to others in the world. (i do not intend to offend anyone with the following statement please take it for what it is). North Korea for instance is primarily closed off country with a large military base with a mostly unknown weaponries capacity. Assuming all does go according to plan are we to put aside the fact that countries such as these (again not picking on north korea they are just my jumping off point) could still be heavily armed while the others have disarmed themselves?
@sunny68 (1327)
• India
24 Sep 09
easier said than done. it is easy to preach but difficult to follow. and with so much distrust in the world - no one will take the first step.