I just read the questions on the 2010 census
By dragon54u
@dragon54u (31634)
United States
September 24, 2009 6:36pm CST
It's here at: http://2010.census.gov/2010census/pdf/2010ACSnotebook.pdf
Why do they want to know where I work? My kitchen and plumbing facilities, how I heat my house? Why do they care how many rooms I have--ok, I can kind of see that but it's still none of their business. They also want to know the value of my house and how much it's costing me. None of their business! I can't see how this will help anything.
They've changed the fine for refusing to answer from not more than $100 to not more than $5,000! Nobody I know can afford not to answer it. I don't mind basic information for the sake of figuring out how many people there are but this is ridiculous.
Does anyone know of a valid reason for all this information they want?
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@Rollo1 (16679)
• Boston, Massachusetts
25 Sep 09
Aren't you glad that it won't be ACORN you're giving all that information to? The whole census thing is really invasive, everything from the very personal questions to the automatic registration to your GPS location. Then we had the very real possibility of ACORN being involved - thank goodness that is no longer in the works. But the part that people really need to protest and make an issue is the moving of the census accounting from the Department of Commerce to the White House. The census is supposed to be a non-partisan count of the population and is not meant to be overseen or controlled by any party. Now remember that the census is used to determine representation in Congress. Put political redistricting, the White House and ACORN together and what do you get? That's right. Obama's second term and the Congress of his dreams. Personally I believe ACORN will still be part of it but under another name. They have dozens of branches with other names and no one would be the wiser if the trail is convoluted enough.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
And according to Glenn Beck's connect the dots blackboard, they are all tied to George Soros. How scary! Maybe the crap will hit the fan before the census and we'll be back to the Constitution once again. We can only hope.
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@xfahctor (14118)
• Lancaster, New Hampshire
25 Sep 09
All I have ever answered was the basic question of how many people lived in my home. And in the 2000 census, I wasn't home when they showed up and I just threw out the info card they left for me to fill out. Next year, if I am home when they show, I will again give my constitutionaly required answer, and nothing more. I will also be instructing my daughters to do the same and if it escalates and they taker starts threatening, I will instruct them to call the police.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
Do you think that will work? Everything I've read tells me that I will be penalized and maybe a lien put on my property if I don't answer everything.
I'll be ready with a copy of the Constitution but I'm not optimistic for my financial future because of this.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I found it: http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/13/usc_sec_13_00000221----000-.html
They passed this law in 2008.
But if it's against the constitution, can't we refuse? I'll have to get some talk show hosts to get on this story!
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@ParaTed2k (22940)
• Sheboygan, Wisconsin
25 Sep 09
It reminds me of public schools and parents' right to "waive" the innoculation requirements for school enrollment. School officials will often lie, deny or not keep the waiver on hand (even though the law requires them to have the waiver form available). They will do anything to keep parents from exercising their rights.
Back in the 2000 census my family and I didn't have a residence. We spent Apr 1, 2000 driving from Idaho to Wisconsin. We weren't residents of either state. A few weeks after we moved into an apartment, a census taker showed up at our door. I explained to her that no one lived here as of the 1st of April, so that was the only honest answer for her forms.
She wouldn't accept that. She threatened all sorts of things if I didn't report how many people live in our apartment. The only way I found to get rid of her was to offer to call the police and report myself. She left, but I figure she probably made up information for the form.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
That's silly. They make rules than they find ways to circumvent them when the data doesn't go the way they want.
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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25 Sep 09
It's all about big brother. These days they want to know everything about us. I don't mind certain aspects of the census. As an amateur genealogist I find it very useful to be able to access the census of 100 years ago and find out about my ancestors. However, these days they use it for demographic information. Where do we come from, our ethnic makeup, our socio-economic profiles etc. Over here they are proposing to tax us more heavily for the quality of our home improvements - that new kitchen will add 1% to your local taxes as will the new shower room. If you have a nice view that will cost too. It's the politics of envy.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
They tax us on improvements, too. In order to remodel add a pool or something else, you have to have a permit which automatically notifies the tax department of your city that your house's value has gone up and they can tax it more. I'm not sure if they need permits for indoor improvements but I wouldn't be surprised. Here, they try to tax everything, too.
I know we need taxes to provide services like highways, libraries, etc., but too much of it is wasted and if truth be told I think if taxes were cut in half and the money spent as is should be, we'd still have a surplus!
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@p1kef1sh (45681)
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25 Sep 09
Pools and additional buildings I can live with. But installing a new window, or a power shower just seems crazy to me. You are right about waste too. I knew a local council officer that bought a dishwasher for her office that had just six staff working there! One dishwasher for six cups!! By the time that you factor in the power, water and dishwasher powder (that the taxpayer bought too) it becomes an expensive way of washing up a few cups.
@Bluepatch (2476)
• Trinidad And Tobago
25 Sep 09
They use it to gauge the cost of things in a country and how many people use that much of something. Its also used to make up budgets and other financial planning stuff.
I don't think its that important but I am surprised at the fines for not answering. US$ 5,000.00 ? That's a horror !
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
They could get that information from the tax returns of corporations, they don't need it from individuals. I can see your point, but why should the layout of our houses be their business? And where we work? I could see miles traveled being relevant in planning public transportation but only a relatively small number of people use it because it is so inconvenient and inefficient. It costs about $7-14 per person on public transport, for which the rider pays about $2.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I don't. But I'm sure it has something to do with Bush.
Everything else happening now seems to have ties to Bush in some way, shape or form.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
Now that's just ridiculous. The recession began with Bush, as did the war and the start of the fall of Wall Street. He was an idiot. But he has nothing to do with this coming census.
It's okay to blame a previous president for things he actually did but to blame everything on him is just ignorant.
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@matersfish (6306)
• United States
26 Sep 09
Yeah, I have to add another name to my do-not-attempt-humor-with list.
I really do have a list! And there are seriously about 60 names on it
@irishidid (8687)
• United States
25 Sep 09
These are like the questions they ask when you are applying for welfare assistance! Are they planning on filling up my cabinets? Paying my heating, etc. costs? Buying me a fancy bidet? No? Then they don't need to know!
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
In the most paranoid corner of my mind, I was thinking they'd know where to bunk their soldiers during martial law.
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@bunnybon7 (50973)
• Holiday, Florida
25 Sep 09
i have no idea but i think someone obviously got even more upset then you. i've been seeing all over the news about a census taker being hung/killed in clay county kentucky. they say lots of people there are so poor and not only suspicious of government but grow pot etc., to help income. they are trying to find out just what happened to the poor old guy
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I heard that today, I could scarcely believe that it happened and it's so tragic. Why would anyone do that?! He's just doing his job. I'm so sorry for his friends and family and hope they find out who did it.
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@lilwonders456 (8214)
• United States
25 Sep 09
They can fine you ONLY if you do not answer the basic how many people live at your house part. If you leave the rest blank they can't touch you. THey may threaten to. But in reality all you are legally required to answer is how live at your house.Name and ages of those that live in your house. That is the begining and end of what you are constitutionally required (and legally) required to answer. DOn't let them bully you.
As for where I work? None of their business
My kitchen and plumbing? None your their business
How many rooms? None of their business
value of my home? None of thier business
How much it is costing me? Well once again none their business
What do any of those questions ahve to do with anything? They don't. Some of that information is available as public information.....if they want that information on me...well then they can take the time to research it themselves. I have more important things to do.
I will fullfill my legal obligations to the census and nothing more.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
That's what I thought. That's what I thought the Constitution said the census was for. But I don't know if they've passed any laws since then that would violate that and would end up with me in financial ruin and federal prison.
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@dhart87 (53)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I wish I could tell you the answer, but I do not know. I thought that they only needed to know how many people lived in the household. I never knew that they would wanted know about where someone work and all that other crap. If I was you I would called the Census Bureau and have them to explain this to you.
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@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
In our Constitution that was written over two centuries ago, it called for a periodic census so that we could have an accurate population count and that was all it was meant for. Presidents since then have been adding more and more questions so that they can collect more information for their own purposes. Our government has forgotten what it was created for and has become a bully to its people.