Dowry system, is it a common practice in your place?

@Sreekala (34312)
India
September 25, 2009 7:05am CST
Hi friends, Dowry is an amount of money or wealth which is giving to the bride at the time of marriage. The dowry system was something originally honorable in intention and provided for the independent wealth of the bride in a time when she was unlikely to work outside of the home. Time can alter many customs and traditions but dowry system is still in place. In India customs are different in different states. In south Gold ornaments and money is used to give a dowry. Unfortunately there are many deaths occurred on the same issue and it is sad to know that many parents are worried because they are unable to give a dowry so they could not married off their daughters. It means the dowry system become a curse for poor parents. What about your place, is there any bad system in your society? Please share your views.
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@Tantrums (945)
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
I never paid for my wife. Dowry system is against the law of equality of men and women. It is a crime to give and take dowry. But these are openly violated. There are thousands of cases of dowry every year few offenders are actually punished. It shows that laws alone are not enough. Besides laws, we need more social awareness and effective social measures. We should create a movement and strong public opinion against the system. The movement should be taken to villages and every nook and corner of the country. More leaders, social groups, men and women should be involved in the movement against the evil. People who practice dowry system should be socially boycotted. Women organizations should hold demonstrations against such people.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi Tantrums, Well said. I really appreciate your response. I think the government should take initiative to educate women and make them strong enough to stand their own legs. If the girls are financially independent then I don’t think there is any question of asking dowry, if anybody asks the same then also the girls will be strong enough to react against it.
@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
30 Sep 09
Hi there! Excellent post! Dowry is one of the most dangerous of the evils and this evil is eating out society like anything. In the process, middle and lower middle class people suffer the most, because it becomes difficult to afford dowry for them. Now a days women are becoming self-reliant and they can always fight it out that they won't marry, if someone asks for dowry. Dowry system is liked dreaded virus of swine flu and it is contagious. People or rather parents of girls give dowry, when they find that others are doing the same. Upto some extent girls are also responsible for dowry, some of the girls make demands to their parents that they should be given handsome dowry so that they could impress their husband and in-laws. When I got married, I strictly said 'no' to dowry and we did not demand anything and I still say proudly to my better half that we did not ask for anything and this keeps our head high.
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@dpk262006 (58678)
• Delhi, India
8 Oct 09
Hi Sree! Yes, you are right, we all are responsible for this evil and we must make collective efforts to stop or eradicate it.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
7 Oct 09
Hi Deepak, I am really happy to know that you refused dowry at the time of your marriage. I entirely agree with you especially about the girls, they are also responsible. I know some girls who demand more money just for impressing their in-laws. It means all kinds of peoples are there and all are more or less responsible for the evil act. Take care and happy posting.
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
That custom was practiced in my country before the Spaniards colonized us... and i think we got that from Indian's or Chinese who came here to trade... i am glad that it is no longer practiced anymore... since if it is still is... a lot of poor families would have this as a problem...
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
27 Sep 09
Hi aseretdd, If the dowry system exists then the poor families may suffer and I am glad that it is no longer in practice at your place. If you think that earlier your country got this practice from some other country then no doubt it must be from our country. To get rid of the system here the government banned the practice but still going on secretly. Thanks for joining. Have a great weekend.
@aseretdd (13730)
• Philippines
27 Sep 09
I think it would take a very strong political will among government officials to finally get rid of this system... in our case... we were colonized by countries that did not practice the dowry system... so it just disappeared... and i am so glad it did...
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@mayka123 (16604)
• India
29 Sep 09
The dowry system is indeed bad and should be done away with. Though here we hardly hear of anyone asking for a dowry but nowadays all the men want working girls to marry so it is almost like getting the dowry in instalments. Many of the girls who are not working say it is difficult to get a good match if they are sitting at home!!!
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
7 Oct 09
Hi dear, Exactly dear, now demand is high for working girls, if I say more clearly the 'nurses' are on high demand (because they are getting high salary). Some are sending their wife for job and sitting idle at home ( here I only blame the wife, why they need a person just as a label). Take care dear. Have a nice day.
@mobhomeir (7558)
• Philippines
6 Oct 09
Hello sreekala good day. Yeah. It is common in our country but it is only common practice of our Muslim brethren. Actually, I don't really know the whole significant of that Muslim custom...because it is not common on Christian community...Are you practicing this?
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
7 Oct 09
Hi mobhomeir, Yes that practice is still going on in our place. It reduced much than earlier due to the progress on girl’s education. Most of the girls are self-reliant now. I am happy to know that you people are not valuing such custom. Have a nice day.
@suzzy3 (8341)
27 Sep 09
What an awful system what about marrying for love,surely the fact a woman is prepared to have the mans babies and look after him is dowry enough.I am not having ago at other cultures it is just so strange to me to know this is still going on.I know Indian families are very close and look after each other.Maybe in this modern world it is time for a change.Not being allowed to marry because the family is poor.It is a shame that young women are held in such low esteem that they must pay for the privelege of being loved.The women is unlikely to be able to work outside the home how awful.Maybe the men in these cultures ought to do a weeks house work and give birth before they have the nerve to expect a dowry.Housework is hard and can be extremely boring.I had no idea this system was still in force.So if a man falls in love with a girl he checks her wealth before he marries her,to be honest I would not bother.
@Sreekala (34312)
• India
7 Oct 09
Hi dear, You are right in India family relations are close and they take care of each other. Here arranged marriages are more popular and dowry system was introduced with a good intention. Earlier the girls were not working and supposed to be at home and look after the family. It means she does not have her own income. The dowry money can helpful to her when in need. But later the system turned a bad custom because if the girl fails to bring a pretty amount she might be harassed for the same reason by in-laws. Now many changes are there and love marriages are more popular and girls are also standing own legs or become financially independent. But still the system is in practice especially in South part gold ornaments are must for marriage time (like a status symbol) so girl's parents try their best to give some gold ornaments on the occasion of wedding. Take care and have a nice day.
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@suzzy3 (8341)
7 Oct 09
Thank you for bringing an insight into your culture.
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@mimpi1911 (25464)
• India
29 Sep 09
Dowry is most evil but sadly still rampant here. People leading urban city lives are very diplomatic in their approach of demanding dowry. This is most off putting! They now demand dowry in a different way, as if its something that the bride's family has to give happily. It feels bad and the instances of dowry deaths are still there. I think, the girls need to put their foot down more than anybody else. After all its their lives and they must carry it with utmost dignity. I am thankful to many reliable organisations which are working hard to bring awareness. But things are too little and too less. Still the optimist that I am, I am hopeful. I love my country and I must be responsible for the bad customs and try my best to stop it.
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@kalav56 (11464)
• India
25 Sep 09
Yes Shree. This dowry system is prevalent among many communities.I belong to a community where the bride is definitely given some ornaments, diamond jewels and some silver--this depends on the father's capacity.Nowadays, in decent families the bridegroom's parents do not demand that some things ought to be given [as it was in ancient days] but the father of the bride gives whatever he feels like to his daughter.In educated circles they do not talk much about it but as I told you both the parties look at an alliance that suits their individual status in life.Different people look at different parameters and in my case my father looked at the bridegroom's qualification, becaue I was higly qualified for my times..He gave greatest importance to this.Now , when I am looking for a bride for my son too this becomes the first priority because my son is highly qualified.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
29 Sep 09
Hi dear, I know if somebody is highly qualified then they will look a match according to their individual status. One on f my friend’s elder sister gets married very lately because of the same reason. She is Ph.D in Chemistry (and was the top rank holder in her time) and the family background is also very good so it was difficult to find a match to her according to her, education, age and family. If the family is financially sound and kids are educated then chances are rare (some times zero) for a talk about dowry. But it varies on the individuals mostly depends on the mother of the boy. (I know some cases like). I glad to know that you are giving importance on educational qualification than money. Your daughter-in-law will be really lucky.
@arkansos (545)
• India
26 Sep 09
well, not much actually. Though there are occasional cases of dowry popping up here and there. I live in west bengal. I've also lived in Haryana, where people do ask for dowry once in a while. but rarely gets too violent. There are cases where people expect implied dowry. "without having to ask" and in such cases, when they don't get it , they tend to get harsh. Atleast the parents, anyways.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi arkansos, I agree the dowry system is not so popular in North India bust still the cases of harassment on dowry is coming in news papers.
@Hatley (163776)
• Garden Grove, California
26 Sep 09
sreekala here in the United States we havent had a dowry since the middle ages.we are a free country, we do not'sell our daughters, we give them away freely, no trades nor barters, two young people in love marry for love not for'dowries and it is ever so much better. this is not our custom,it' bespeaks of buying and selling and we do not do that with'human beings. cattle yes, people no. no dowries here.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi Hatley, Hope you are doing well. Happy to see you. Actually the custom initiated with good intention later it turned bad or people made the system as a curse. Earlier girls were not allowed to go out from house and they were supposed to look after the family. Presently girls are equated to men and they are free to do her studies and can join of job also. If the girl is financially independent and well educated then the issue of dowry won’t come. In case of poor parents they are suffering much.
@ladym33 (10979)
• United States
25 Sep 09
No such practices here in American. Here in America you meet people, date people, and if you find that you have fallen in love and want to marry someone and they agree that they love you too and want to marry you then you get married. The only tradition that some people still use is asking the woman's father for permission to marry his daughter, but not all men do it any more, and likely if the father were to say no he would marry the daughter anyways, asking for her hand is just a matter of respect.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi ladym33, It is good to know that there is no such practice in your place.
@paula27661 (15811)
• Australia
26 Sep 09
No such thing as a dowry here. Years ago girls used to collect items for their “glory box” which was full of things they would need when they got married but it didn’t have anything to do with the groom whatsoever. The ‘glory box’ is out of fashion now and I don’t know anyone who has one anymore; it was more from my mother’s days back in the late fifties, early sixties.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi Paula, The term "glory box" is interesting one especially it is keeping by the girls. Here also ‘boxes’ are keeping but not by girls but by their mother /grand mother. They preserve some ornaments in the ‘box’ for the marriage of their daughter/granddaughter. The ornaments must be in gold.
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@gunagohan (3414)
• India
26 Sep 09
well, its very common in our place, especially in our south india, dowry has its best chances to occur and it affects many poor people, i think its very difficult to wipe out the dowry system completely from our country..but i have one thing in mind, that i am not gonna ask any dowry when i am gonna get married...we can eliminate dowry a little, if some youths of the country decide to reject dowry case during their marriages.. happy to respond... happy mylotting..
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi gunagohan, I really appreciate your decision and I hope you will implement the same in your life. All the best to you.
25 Sep 09
No, it is not practiced at all in my country of origin. The man just needs to ask for the woman's hand in marriage. Before, it was always the groom's family who pays for the wedding expenses. Nowadays, it has become a matter of being practical and fair and couples usually split the expenses with most families pitching in to help defray the cost. I am really sorry to hear that the dowry practice still exists despite enacted laws which forbid it.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
6 Oct 09
Hi involved, I don't think this system can control by Law. In my opinion the girls should be ready to react against this evil custom but sadly all girls are not strong to enough to show their disagreements. There were incidents happened, on the marriage day, girls showed the courage to refuse to marry the particular person just because he/his family demands more dowry.
@Pose123 (21635)
• Canada
25 Sep 09
Hi Sreekala, There is no dowry system where I live. I have heard of it of course, but I don't think it was ever common practice here. As you say everything is changing and it may not be around anywhere in a few more years. You culture is very different from mine but I can understand how the idea of a dowry would be a curse for poor parents. Blessings.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
26 Sep 09
Hi Pose123, Happy to see you after a long time. Hope you are doing well. The system of dowry is still going on our country especially in South. If you want to marry off your daughter gold ornaments is a must. Now the dowry system is banned by Law so the money and ornaments give to the bride is treated as a gift by her parents. Nice to know that this system is not exists at your place. Have a great weekend.
@dragon54u (31634)
• United States
25 Sep 09
We used to have what was called a "hope chest" but it was much like the dowry system. While it wasn't an incentive for a man to marry the woman, it was made up of things a woman would need in the old days. Material to make clothing with, dishes, blankets, quilts, needles and thread, even farm equipment was saved for the bride from the time she was a baby.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
27 Sep 09
Hi dragon54u, I agree with you, the intention was good but the good intention changed later and treating the women as a property. If you hear about the dowry deaths then you can realize the seriousness of the problem. I am happy that in your place the women are safe on dowry. Have a great weekend.
@savak03 (6684)
• United States
25 Sep 09
I'm sure all countries have some customs that are supposed to help the poor but in reality make things harder for them. We don't have the dowry system here but my understanding of it is that the husband gets the wife dowry. Now it may have been intended to provide for her but in countries where the man's word is law and the women are treated like property it seems to me that the dowry system is just a way that the father has to pay some man to agree to marry his daughter. Practices like this are demeaning to women in particular and an insult to intelligent people every where.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
27 Sep 09
Hi savak, Earlier the girls were staying at home (not going outside for any works) and dowry is giving to her at the time of marriage for providing an independent wealth. Now everything is changed and girls no longer staying at home but working and earning their own money. If both family is rich then there is no issue of bargaining for money but the girl’s family is poor then I think they are treating as a property and getting insult when the time of marriage. Women are getting killed on the name of dowry - the worst part and inhuman too. Have a great weekend.
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
Dowry is a tradition in some groups who live in my country who belong to Islam believers, local tribes and some richest family requires a dowry from the family of the man before they let their daughter marry. Dowries are sometimes given in forms of money, land and other valuables things. Those traditions are good to make sure of the girl family have money or properties in exchange for their daughter right to get marry. In my places the rich people requires big dowry compares to poor family and it really depends on the social status of the family if they could provides the said dowries. However in my family their is no dowries require the main qualifications both partner should be of the right age, emotionally and financially stable which matter most.
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
27 Sep 09
Hi neelianoscet, You have explained the dowry system rightly and same is the case in this place too. If the boy’s family is rich or boy is doing a good job then the demand of dowry may increase. If the girl’s family is rich then the other party may not ask anything because they know that they will get the share of the girl later. I am happy to know that your family is against the dowry system. I support your views and we also follow the same. Thank you very much for your encouraging response. Have a great weekend.
• Philippines
25 Sep 09
Nopes, and it will never be. Dowry would never be a part of our culture now. But if that is practiced in your country, I respect that. Too bad that this dowry thing used to force people to get money or else if not met, sad to say, no marriage will happen. It's all about money , where is the LOVE?
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@Sreekala (34312)
• India
26 Sep 09
Hi strawberry, It is a practice in our country but it is banned by Law. I don’t respect the dowry system; it is ok if the girl’s parents can provide something to her daughter but when it become like a bargain ….mostly this is the case in arranged marriages. Thanks for joining. Have a great weekend.